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Why is contraception a deadly sin?

The last thing we can do is use Scripture to justify our desire to want to prevent births. Scripture always encourages children. You never see examples of people trying to prevent children unless it is genocide by those who were enemies of God. Be fruitful and multiply is still the same. I do not understand why it is believed that the New Testament voids the Old Testament. Paul said all things were permissable, but not all things are profitable. We know that having children is beneficial for us physcically, emotionally, and spiritually. It helps our bodies to give birth, and to nurse. It grows us emotionally while we learn to parent, to love sacrifically and unconditionally, and it helps us spiritually because it is a picture of our relationship with God. It shows us how much God loves us to sacrifice His child for us, and it shows how God loves us unconditionally and parents us with dicipline, nurturing, and love. To receive these blessings is God's best for His people. To grow them up in the fear of God, and in His Word, is to see them not turn away from His teachings...this builds His church, and His people.

Blessings.
 
So, we may feel, now, that contraception was our own private choice and idea, but it's roots are in PP, and it's predecessor, founded by Margaret Sanger. A false teaching that has assimilated Christians quietly.
I haven't checked, but I'm pretty sure that contraception predates PP by a very long time. Again, I think your position takes a far too simplistic view of sexuality and the family, especially in modern culture.

Are you married lovely?
 
Free,

I am widowed, 18 months now. I have three children 3, 6, and 8. Children are a blessing, I believe it is that simple. As far as sexuality, it is God's command that your body belong to the one you are married to, and vice versa. You are not to abstain, unless it's for prayer and fasting. I believe it is a union of two becoming one flesh, and that making love to your husband or wife is an act of mutual love. The fact that it produces little blessings, for some, is wonderful. I also nursed my children, and that provided natural spacing for our family. I am also an advocate of adoption. My husband and I were planning to take that step prior to his death. I think it is a great way to add to a family. I do not understand why being in a modern culture changes any of that...could you elaborate on that point?




This is my daughter Arianna.


These are my sons, Nathaniel and Maxwell.

Blessings
 
Free said:
So, we may feel, now, that contraception was our own private choice and idea, but it's roots are in PP, and it's predecessor, founded by Margaret Sanger. A false teaching that has assimilated Christians quietly.
I haven't checked, but I'm pretty sure that contraception predates PP by a very long time. Again, I think your position takes a far too simplistic view of sexuality and the family, especially in modern culture.

Are you married lovely?
Contraception does predate PP... but PP has definitely given it the "boost" to be more acceptable. Prior to PP I'd argue that contraception was pretty taboo, especially among Christians (look up the Lambeth Conference... in the 1930s, I think).

Simplistic view of sexuality? Could you elaborate on that... I don't want to jump in with "Theology of the Body" talk until I'm sure I understand your point a little bit better.




Lastly, lovely... have you read Karol Wojtyla's (the late Pope John Paul II's (before he was Pope)) philosophical/theological treatise entitled "Love and Responsibility".. judging by your comments in this thread, I think you would find it a good read. (PS... you have a beautiful family! Your children are adorable!)
 
I'm saying that the commandment has been FULFILLED in us through Christ since Christ fulfilled ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS.
 
Could you still elaborate how to "be fruitful and multiply" was fulfilled in Christ's fulfillment of all righteousness? ... I'm still not seeing where you're coming from.

I don't think the command to be fruitful and multiply was a "law" of the Old Testament, fulfilled in the New... the command was a remark on human nature--on sexuality. Our bodies were created to be naturally fertile (and naturally infertile at certain points)... introducing contraception into the conjugal act distorts the natural cycle of the body. It's introducing something unnatural. And as lovely already pointed out, it doesn't make sense to avoid children (because they are noted as blessings in Scripture)...
 
Free wrote
I haven't checked, but I'm pretty sure that contraception predates PP by a very long time. Again, I think your position takes a far too simplistic view of sexuality and the family, especially in modern culture.

Free, I forgot to respond to this...

You are correct that contraception is VERY old. To clarify my point better, Sanger was responsible for getting the "advertising" law overturned, and her foundation aided in development, as well as making it available to those who could afford it. She was also linked to Hitler, and very racist. There were certain people she felt should not be allowed to procreate. I brought PP in to this discussion because they are the people who have made contraception legitimate, and available, to the masses. The feminists celebrate this woman's birthday. They are happy that contraception and abortion has "freed" women and given them a choice. What they have been spewing, we have been absorbing as what's best for women's health, and women's freedom. I believe this is a deception that has roots in evil, and we should keep that in mind when we compare the decision NOT to have children to Scripture that always refers to them as blessings. We should also evaluated our motives for trying to avoid, or deny, these blessings, and ask ourselves if we are skirting God's best because we are thinking like the world, and caught up in this deception that has permeated our modern society.

Blessings
 
Catholicxian,

Thank you for your sweet compliment about my children. I have not read that particular book because I am a protestant. Maybe I will check it out at the library. Thanks again.

Blessings
 
I realize that I'm jumping in here rather late in the game, but yesterday's sermon made me think of this thread. The sermon also made me think of a few things in my own life, but I've learned not to share too much of my spiritual life here. I only mention it because we should always look inward first (...log in our eye, speck in our brothers...).

The message was based on Romans 7:1-7 and the just of it was that Christians are committing adultery when ruled by the law. Now, I'm not aware of any Biblical principle that teaches us either way on this subject. So I would have to relate this to Paul's teaching on eating meat offered to idols in 1 Corinthians 8, in that we each have to live by what liberty the Lord gives us, making sure that we do not offend our brothers and sisters who are young in their faith.
CatholicXian said:
I don't think the command to be fruitful and multiply was a "law" of the Old Testament, fulfilled in the New... the command was a remark on human nature--on sexuality. Our bodies were created to be naturally fertile (and naturally infertile at certain points)... introducing contraception into the conjugal act distorts the natural cycle of the body. It's introducing something unnatural.
So is taking an aspirin when you have a headache. Personally, I think we could do a greater service to God by multiplying the number of Christians that are in our home town.
 
I am comming in late to this discussion and I have not read all the posts. But here is a strong argument.

To understand why contraception is wrong you need to understand what something was made for? What function does it serve? What is it's proper end? If something is cut off from it’s proper end then it is disordered and not moral. This is basic natural law. Let me give some examples.


Lets look at what purpose God has for food.

Means; eating food

Ends; nutrition

If the means (eating food) are not allowed to reach it's highest end (nutrition) and is given a lesser end (pleasure or control) then God’s inherent design becomes disordered.

In the case of eating food this is called an eating disorder (i.e. anorexia, bulimia).

Lets look at what purpose God has for sexual intercourse.

Means; sexual intercourse

Ends; reproduction and union in marriage

If the means (sexual intercourse) are not allowed to reach the end of (reproduction) and is given a lesser end (self centered pleasure, fun, entertainment) then God’s inherent design becomes disordered.

In the case of sexual intercourse this leads to divorce, abortion, and narcissism. All of which are disordered situations.
 
kwag_myers said:
CatholicXian said:
I don't think the command to be fruitful and multiply was a "law" of the Old Testament, fulfilled in the New... the command was a remark on human nature--on sexuality. Our bodies were created to be naturally fertile (and naturally infertile at certain points)... introducing contraception into the conjugal act distorts the natural cycle of the body. It's introducing something unnatural.
So is taking an aspirin when you have a headache.

A headache does not have a higher end in and of itself. A headache is a disorder. Pregnancy is not a disorder. So your analogy does not apply.
 
Sexual intercourse is not just for reproduction at all. It is also so a couple can love, give pleasure to each other, healing for the couple and to submit to each other.

Also if sexual intercourse was JUST for reproduction then many women after they hit menopause would then cease to have sex with their husbands. And barren women and infertile men are destined to have a unconsumated marriage and live in celabacy for the rest of their lives.

The notion that sex is only for reproduction is WRONG and I'm afraid the teaching of such things only derives from legalistic views that are still bound to the law.
 
Sexual intercourse is not just for reproduction at all. It is also so a couple can love, give pleasure to each other, healing for the couple and to submit to each other.


I never said that it was only for reproduction. In fact I said that it has two ends, "reproduction and union in marriage".

Also if sexual intercourse was JUST for reproduction then many women after they hit menopause would then cease to have sex with their husbands. And barren women and infertile men are destined to have a unconsumated marriage and live in celabacy for the rest of their lives.

Again you are misunderstanding my position. I never said “JUST for reproductionâ€Â. There is nothing disordered in women who have menopause, infertile men and women having sexual union in marriage. They are not doing anything to disrupt the end of reproduction and union in marriage so it is not immoral.

The Church does not oblige people to have as many children as possible, or to engage in sexual intercourse every time the wife appears to be fertile. She teaches that if the married spouses do have sexual union, that they do not deliberately attempt to negate the natural order that God established between the marital act and His power to create new life. Contraception, so to speak, slams the door in the face of God and encloses the married couple in a world that is deprived of important avenues to and therefore to sources of supernatural help.

At the same time, the Church does not forbid married couples from enjoying conjugal love when they know that procreation is either unlikely or impossible. The Church has no objection whatsoever to married couples making love when the wife is already known to be pregnant, when the wife or husband are infertile, or when the partners themselves are infertile as a couple. As Pope Paul VI states in Humanae Vitae: “Marital acts do not cease being legitimate if they are foreseen to be infertile because of reasons independent of the spouses.â€Â
http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals ... lity2.html


Because the Church’s teaching concerning contraception has roots in the natural law, she, as would be expected, has no objection to anything that is natural. Therefore, she is an ardent supporter of a form of child-spacing or fertility regulation in marriage known as Natural Family Planning (NFP). Some have objected that NFP is “unnatural†because it require periodic abstinence, taking the wife’s body temperature, reading charts, checking mucus, and so on. In this case, however, such critics use the word “natural†to mean “spontaneous,†a meaning that does not reflect the Church’s mind when she uses the word in conjunction with her natural law teaching. Accordingly, what the Church means by “natural†in this context, refers to the normal functioning or proper order of things. Setting a broken humerus or using corrective lenses restores the normal functioning of the arm or the eyes. NFP is natural, not because it has any claims to spontaneity, but because it respects the order of nature. Contraception, in sundering the natural relationship between intercourse and procreation, does violence to the natural law. As Pope John Paul II states in his Apostolic Letter, Familiaris Consortio: “When . . . by means of recourse to periods of infertility, the couple respect the inseparable connection between the unitive and procreative meanings of human sexuality, they are acting as ‘ministers’ of God’s plan and they ‘benefit from’ their sexuality according to the original dynamism of ‘total self-giving’, without manipulation or alteration.â€Â

NFP can be used, in the positive sense, to enhance the couple’s chances of achieving pregnancy. In a situation where the husband has a low sperm count, for example, by combining knowledge of the time of ovulation with a period of abstinence that allows the husband to build up his sperm count, the conditions for conceiving are greatly increased. On the other hand, NFP can be used, in the negative sense, in order to avoid conception.

Planned Parenthood’s official statistician, Christopher Tietze has reported that the effectiveness of one method of NFPâ€â€the “temperature methodâ€Ââ€â€is 99%, which is higher than most contraceptives.16 Mother Teresa, who won a Nobel Peace Prize for her work with the poor in Calcutta, reports that her NFP program in India prevented 1.1 million births in that country.17 A study of 20,000 Hindu, Muslim, and Christian women of Calcutta who were taught NFP was reported in the India Medical Journal. The report stated that NFP was as successful as the Pill in avoiding pregnancies.18 Unlike the Pill and other forms of contraception, it should be noted, NFP has no undesirable side-effects. As many practitioners of NFP have come to learn through experience, it is marriage that is the sacrament, not contraception.

The most common objection to using NFP in order to avoid conception is that it appears to be morally equivalent to using contraception. What is the difference in this case, people say, between using NFP and using contraception since the desired end is the same, namely, to avoid conception?

Apart from the issue of side-effects, which is decisive in itself, one must recognize the difference between an end and a means. Most of morality, in fact, is concerned not about ends but about means. The end, moral as it may be in itself, does not justify the employment of an immoral means. Having a child is a good end, but surely achieving that end by means of kidnapping is morally distinguishable from becoming a parent by means of loving union with one’s spouse. Money may be a desirable end, but obtaining it through theft, blackmail, or extortion, as opposed to earning it justly, is the difference between immorality and morality. Virtually everyone in the history of moral philosophy recognizes the validity of this distinction. Contraception violates the order established in nature by God between intercourse and procreation.

Also, there is a profound difference between an immoral act and no act at all. This difference is not only metaphysical (between being and nonbeing), but can be felt personally and intensely on a psychological level. Suppose, for example, an engaged couple is preparing its list of wedding guests. The couple wants some people to come and others not to come. The traditional approach is to invite those whom you want to be your guests, and not invite those whom you do not. But let is imagine that this particular couple, instead of simply not inviting certain people, sends them a disinvitation: “Dear John and Mary: We are getting married, but we do not want you to come to our wedding. Our ushers have been instructed to escort you to the parking lot if you dare show up. Your presence is not wanted. Stay away. We do not want to see you.â€Â
It is not difficult to appreciate the difference in impact on John’s and Mary’s feelings that receiving such a “disinvitation†would have, as compared with their not receiving an invitation. Sending out such a disinvitation could very well ruin whatever vestige of friendship existed between the two parties. The difference between the disinvitation and no invitation is the difference between insult and etiquette, contempt and civility. It is one thing not to invite a person; it is quite another to explain to him that his presence is unwanted.

Using contraception is like sending a disinvitation to God. It is like telling God that He should not show up, that His creative act is not only unwanted, but disrespected. But abstaining from intercourse as part of NFP does not send any such message. By refraining from intercourse at a time when a couple does not want to conceive sends an altogether different and more tacit message: “We do not invite or invoke your creative act at this time, but we will not insult you by profaning the means you have established to inititate new life by exploiting it for our own purposes while disinviting your presence through contraception. We will abstain rather than profane.â€Â

Another common objection to the Church’s promotion of NFP and rejection of contraception is that it represents a beautiful “ideal,†but it is not very practical for most married couples. But NFP has proven to be eminently practical wherever it has been used, whereas the “ideals†that contraception promoters envisioned, such as less sexual anxiety, happier marriages, fewer divorces, and better rapport between parents and children, have proven to be decidedly impractical and unrealistic.

Among married couples who practice NFP, divorce is rare. Josef Rötzer, M. D., author of a sympto-thermal method, reports not a single divorce or abortion among 1,400 married couples who used NFP. John Kippley, founder of the Couple to Couple League, reports a divorce rate among married couple who teach NFP at 1.3%.19

The contraception debate is not between an out-dated Church whose ideals are unrealistic and a modern, secular world that has no ideals but is hard-nosed and realistic. The debate is between the Church, whose ideals are realistic (in the sense that they can, with effort, be realized) and a world whose ideals are not. Contraception advocates are not without ideals. It is simply that their ideals cannot be realized through the contraceptive means that they propose. To believe that contraception will bring about a greater two-in-one-flesh intimacy is to believe in an impossibility.

An ideal may be difficult, but it should not be dismissed simply because it is an ideal. The “ideal†for each hole in golf is to make par. In fact, this is a minimal ideal. Amateur golfers and the legion of struggling recreational performers known as “duffers,†often find this ideal hard to fulfill. Yet no golfer protests that golf is an unrealistic game and that par should be whatever number of strokes it takes for a player to complete a hole. The “ideal†is necessary to give the game its structure, meaning, and direction.

It is precisely because the Church’s teaching is based on the natural law that her ideals are both realistic and realizable. By contrast, the ideals of the world are often based on dreams that have no relationship with either nature or the natural law. Such dreams are fundamentally unrealistic.
http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals ... lity2.html

The notion that sex is only for reproduction is WRONG and I'm afraid the teaching of such things only derives from legalistic views that are still bound to the law.


Again you are misunderstanding my position. But let me ask you a question. Why is masturbation, pornography, and homosexuality wrong?
 
Why is masturbation, pornography, and homosexuality wrong?

Masturbation is not wrong
Pornography is lusting after someone and goes against the law about lust
Homosexuality goes against the law about homosexuality.

Stopping yourself from being able to have anymore children when you can no longer cope or afford anymore is NOT against any law of God and is very wise. God has blessed us with wisdom and we are to use this wisdom. We are also not subject to the law but under grace...and through the spirit we are obedient to God's law of being fruitful and multiplying.

We are only here to preach the gospel and to multiply spiritually. The be fruitful and multiply and subdue the earth commandment has already been fulfilled.

I have 4 children - I have already done my part for the world. It would be unwise for us to continue to have children given our financial situation. And these Children continue to be a blessing to our family.

If the Lord wishes to bless us with anymore children then he will - whether or not we stop it. It's happened before.

When people ask me if we're having anymore I simply say "We don't plan on having anymore but God's been known to have the last laugh so you never know".

Believe it or not...people have fallen pregnant on the pill, after the husband has had vasectomy and after a women has had a hysterectomy so I think he's quite capable of blessing us with a child even if we do use contraception, if it's his will.

Also what does one do when one partner doesn't want anymore children adn the other partner does? Go behind their back?

I worry about people who are under the law like this...I really do. They set themselves up to fail. It's like the Grace of God isn't enough and it's like Jesus hasn't died. Very sad!
 
The pill is an abortificient.

Why do we worry of money? When God instructs us not to. Why do we not save every penny to adopt an unfortunate child, or to care for another blessing from the womb? Why do we use mercy as a scapegoat to justify our own continuance of sin? Paul asked...What shall we say then, should we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid! How shall we that are dead to sin live any longer therein? If we love God, and truly want to honor Him, then why do we do as little as we can to please Him. Why do we skirt what He says for our own superficial, and worldly, convienence? I am sorry, but if God is calling children a blessing, and has instructed those in Scripture to be frutiful and multiply...then why would we make every excuse we can to justify rejecting these blessings and distort this picture of the church family multiplying? Would we give the same reasons for divorce, or for homosexuality? Any time we put our own worries, or convienence, before our desire to conform to God's instruction, we are setting up idols. We should tear them down, and not let them be erected in our lives again. We should joyfully please God as much as we can, and not reject His blessings by distorting the beautiful picture He has set before us of the church multiplying.

Blessings.
 
The pill is an abortificient.

Yay! And I need to know this because......?

Why do we worry of money? When God instructs us not to.

Well I don't know about you...but I don't. I also don't tempt the Lord and use my God given wisdom and be careful with spending.

Why do we not save every penny to adopt an unfortunate child, or to care for another blessing from the womb?

Because I'm too busy spending my pennies on the 4 blessings I already have.

Why do we use mercy as a scapegoat to justify our own continuance of sin?

Well I don't know about you but I'm justified by faith. Lucky me!!

Paul asked...What shall we say then, should we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid! How shall we that are dead to sin live any longer therein?

Yes he did say that :)

If we love God, and truly want to honor Him, then why do we do as little as we can to please Him.

Actually WE don't...well at least *I* don't. If you are having problems then why not take it up with your father?

Why do we skirt what He says for our own superficial, and worldly, convienence?

as above

I am sorry, but if God is calling children a blessing, and has instructed those in Scripture to be frutiful and multiply...then why would we make every excuse we can to justify rejecting these blessings and distort this picture of the church family multiplying?

Because how you understand it is off the law, How I understand it is of the spirit. I'm not rejecting anything. My children are still blessings and we continue to be fruitful and multiply spiritually.

Would we give the same reasons for divorce, or for homosexuality?

Who's we? You? Well if you are having problems in this area then you know who to turn to ;)

Any time we put our own worries, or convienence, before our desire to conform to God's instruction, we are setting up idols.

IF you are struggling in this area then God is just a prayer away - remember that.

We should tear them down, and not let them be erected in our lives again.

Well off you go then..tear away. There's nothing here to tear down as the only idol that I worship is God and God alone. But please by all means, tear down all your idols...this includes the ones of mary etc etc

We should joyfully please God as much as we can, and not reject His blessings by distorting the beautiful picture He has set before us of the church multiplying.

Well I know I please God. I know because he continues to bless our family over and over till our cup runneth over.

Thanks for your judgement. :)
 
Dear Merry,

I was responding to the thoughts on this thread, and in particular your last post, but I do include myself in those things, yes. If you do not struggle with the things I have mentioned, then I am sincerely happy for you. I am. I have always been a weak Christian. I do struggle with my sin a great deal, and sometimes I react to God with fear and lack of trust in Him. I am so blessed by, and grateful for, God's mercy. I can not put it all in a post. It is my hope and prayer that I grow in His grace, and that He helps me in those areas where I lack. I really just desire to have a heart that wants to obey Him because I love Him so dearly, and I want to do my best to strive for what is right. Just because you and I disagree does not mean I am being judgemental of you. You obviously disagree with me too. I would rather fellowship with you here, with Christ as our bond, and with a desire to learn and grow in the midst of our disagreement by digging into His Word with excitement and hunger. I really do want to imitate Christ in my life, that is all. So, when I speak to those things, it is with a heart to be sharpened and to sharpen, not of some sort of judgement.

I make no apologies for how I believe in this matter. I am sorry that you feel my openness on the topic is a judgement of you. And by the tone of your post towards me, I see that you are offended. That was never my intention, and I do not take pleasure in you being upset, just the opposite actually. So, please understand that I respectfully disagree with you. You posted your views, and I posted mine...it was that simple. And the we includes me because I have struggled over this topic a great deal as well, and I still do. I desire to be given over to God, and to try and apply His best to my life. Scripture teaches that children are a blessing, and I do not understand the idea that we are somehow tempting God by obeying Him, and trusting Him in faith to care for us. Being called judgemental is not going to keep me from speaking honestly, because God's Truth is a blessing in all of our lives. I am not a very articulate person, but I hope that you can see my heart here in spite of that. Blessings.

In Christ's Love,
 
lovely said:
I am sorry, but if God is calling children a blessing, and has instructed those in Scripture to be frutiful and multiply...then why would we make every excuse we can to justify rejecting these blessings and distort this picture of the church family multiplying? Would we give the same reasons for divorce, or for homosexuality? Any time we put our own worries, or convienence, before our desire to conform to God's instruction, we are setting up idols. We should tear them down, and not let them be erected in our lives again. We should joyfully please God as much as we can, and not reject His blessings by distorting the beautiful picture He has set before us of the church multiplying.

I'm sorry, but I think if we are not in a position financially, mentally, emotionally, Spiritually, or physically to bear and raise children-then we shouldn't. I don't think that's putting our OWN worries, conveniences, or desires ahead of anything...I think if anything it's putting the best interest of the child at hand.

There are too many people quick to have children who aren't ready and who suffers? The children.
 
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