Why Sunday???

[francisdesales]

But Catholic -
Those two commadments were first quoted in the Old Testament so that wasnt anything new and that certainly doesnt support an alteration of God's divine law.

You still haven't provided any verses that says SATURDAY worship (as opposed to any other day of the week) is a divine law that cannot be altered. It is a JEWISH TRADITION to celebrate worship on Saturday. God said to keep the Sabbath, but He did not command that a particular day of the week be kept for all time.

In addition, you have not answered the idea that the Apostles WERE given authority to bind and loosen, changing the COMMAND to circumcise...

 

[Elijah674]

But Catholic -
Those two commadments were first quoted in the Old Testament so that wasnt anything new and that certainly doesnt support an alteration of God's divine law.

You still haven't provided any verses that says SATURDAY worship (as opposed to any other day of the week) is a divine law that cannot be altered. It is a JEWISH TRADITION to celebrate worship on Saturday. God said to keep the Sabbath, but He did not command that a particular day of the week be kept for all time.

In addition, you have not answered the idea that the Apostles WERE given authority to bind and loosen, changing the COMMAND to circumcise...

Exod.20
[1] And God spake all these words, saying,
[2] I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
[3] Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
[4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
[5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[6] And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
[7] Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.


And Christ in Mark 7:7 [DOCUMENTS].. 'Howbeit [IN VAIN] do they worship Me, [TEACHING FOR DOCTRINE] the commsandments of men.' Compare your Jer. 17:5 stuff!

--Elijah

 

[Brother Lionel]

Ok Tina, francis, and the catholic -

Here are the facts:

God gave the instructions, not me people... I am only going by what I see in the bible and what He told me to do. Am I wrong for following that? Am I wrong for following Jesus and doing what He did? Or following Paul and worshipping as he did? As a result, I'll state ten reasons as New Testament evidence for Sabbath keeping:

1. The author of Hebrews reaffirms the fourth commandment
Hebrews 4:9 - So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,

2. Jesus referrences and recognizes the sabbath during our day, at the end of time. He urges us to pray that we wouldnt have to flee for our lives on the sabbath day which is a day that we should rest and keep holy.
Mat 24:20 - But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day

3. Jesus explained to the Jewish leaders the true purpose of the sabbath in which He does not abrogate it even though He had the opportunity to do so.
Mar 2:27 - And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath

4. Jesus affirmed His ownership of the Sabbath which coincides with OT scriptures where God affirmed ownership of the day stating that the Sabbath is "My Holy Day".
Mar 2:28 - Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

5. Jesus kept the sabbath
Luk 4:16 - And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

6. Jesus healed on the Sabbath, "undoing the heavy burdens, letting the oppressed go free, and breaking every yoke" (Isaiah 58:6). This scripture was in referrence to how God wanted the Nation of Israel to carry out the Sabbath - to help those in need and to loose burdens. Notice that Jesus emphasizes the Sabbath day.
Luk 13:16 - And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?

7. Jesus' followers kept the Sabbath after His death
Luk 23:56 - And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

8. Paul and others kept the Sabbath
Act 13:14 - But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Act 17:2 - And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

9. Gentiles kept the Sabbath as well
Act 13:42, 44 - And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

10. The New Testament mentions nothing in regards to a change of sacredness from the seventh day of the week to the first day, or a command to regard Sunday the new holy day of rest and worship.

So, if we honor the day Jesus resurrected as the "New Testament Sabbath" disregarding the original day, why is baptism the only memorial the bible refers to in honor of the resurrection? And why did all of Jesus' followers keep the Sabbath after His death? Furthermore, why doesnt the bible reveal to us the the "New Sabbath" is Sunday? Surely, if one of Ten Commandments which were written by the Almighty God were to be altered or transferred, wouldnt the NT authors give us mountains of scripture to live by in support of this transfer??? Instead, all we have is silence....

Now, some say "because the New Testament doesnt mention the continuity of the Sabbath, that must mean that it has been transferred to Sunday" (even though the bible does refer to such but we'll agree to disagrgee for the sake of the explanation).

Others say "the Sabbath is still intact and should be observed because its part of God divine moral law and the NT doesnt provide scripture that changes that."

My question is this, which side would you prefer to err on? The side that says "we dont have to keep the fourth commandment because the NT doesnt give us an explicit command therefore we only need to keep nine? Or the side that says "because the NT doesnt show where a change occured, we should still observe the Sabbath because it part of the moral law which God wrote with His own finger and spoke with His own voice"?

 

[TheCatholic]

Francisdesales: You are correct

To the rest: You keep missing the point that Jesus was born under the Law, and as an obedient Jew he obeyed the rules of HIS covenant, the Mosaic Covenant.

But at the end of his life he established a NEW covenant to which WE belong, and ritual Saturday observance is not part of that covenant! YES, we obey the commandment, but not by observing Mosaic rituals. We obey the MORAL underlying meaning of the commandment, which is to set aside a day for God.

 

[TheCatholic]

TRY READING THIS ARTICLE:
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9902fea1.asp

 

[francisdesales]

You still haven't provided any verses that says SATURDAY worship (as opposed to any other day of the week) is a divine law that cannot be altered. It is a JEWISH TRADITION to celebrate worship on Saturday. God said to keep the Sabbath, but He did not command that a particular day of the week be kept for all time.

In addition, you have not answered the idea that the Apostles WERE given authority to bind and loosen, changing the COMMAND to circumcise...

Exod.20
[1] And God spake all these words, saying,
[2] I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
[3] Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
[4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
[5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[6] And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
[7] Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.


And Christ in Mark 7:7 [DOCUMENTS].. 'Howbeit [IN VAIN] do they worship Me, [TEACHING FOR DOCTRINE] the commsandments of men.' Compare your Jer. 17:5 stuff!

--Elijah

Where in all of this do we find specifically Saturday worship mandated???

 

[francisdesales]

Ok Tina, francis, and the catholic -

Here are the facts:

God gave the instructions, not me people... I am only going by what I see in the bible and what He told me to do. Am I wrong for following that? Am I wrong for following Jesus and doing what He did? Or following Paul and worshipping as he did? As a result, I'll state ten reasons as New Testament evidence for Sabbath keeping:

The question is not whether Jesus kept the Sabbath, but whether...

1. Saturday worship specifically is an unchangeable natural law, as not murdering.
2. The Christian community had the ability to change to Sunday worship, just as they changed other COMMANDS from God that they interpreted as being temporary and part of the Old Covenant, such as circumcision.

Would you have been standing against Paul and Peter when the council declared that circumcision was no longer necessary? Maintaining "Saturday only" worship is the modern issue for today's Judaizers...

Regards

 

[Brother Lionel]

The question is not whether Jesus kept the Sabbath, but whether...

1. Saturday worship specifically is an unchangeable natural law, as not murdering.

We should worship God everyday of the week so its not an issue of which day to worship, but which day do we regard as the holy day where we both rest and worship. So how is it that the fourth commandment is still apart of the Ten Commandments and its not a natural principle (like murder)? So the other nine laws are unchangeable natural laws but the fourth commandment isnt? You're basically saying that we should keep only nine laws which is in contradiction to the bible...

Deuteronomy 5:29
O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

2. The Christian community had the ability to change to Sunday worship, just as they changed other COMMANDS from God that they interpreted as being temporary and part of the Old Covenant, such as circumcision.

The Ten Commandments and the ceremonial laws are two completely different set of laws which fall under the umbrella of the OT law. Basically, you just said that man has the ability to change God's Ten Commandments which is blasphemy! Taking on the prerogatives of God and to act as God (To change His divine moral laws) is blasphemous according to the bible. Man does not have the ability or the right to change anything that God establishes!

Would you have been standing against Paul and Peter when the council declared that circumcision was no longer necessary? Maintaining "Saturday only" worship is the modern issue for today's Judaizers...

Regards

Again, the ceremonial laws (circumcision and uncircumcision) were done away with in Christ. Thats why Paul and Peter argued this point to the council. But the weekly Sabbath which is in the Ten Commandments have absolutely nothing to do with the ceremonial laws or circumcision. But to say that one of Ten Commandments is included in the abrogation of the ceremonial laws is not only unbiblical, but that claim goes against the teachings of Christ.

 

[lovely]

Colossians 2

6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities F9 and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him. 16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.

20 If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations 21 “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch†22 (referring to things that all perish as they are used)â€â€according to human precepts and teachings? 23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.

 

[TheCatholic]

TRY READING THIS ARTICLE:
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9902fea1.asp

I repeat: Try reading this article:
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9902fea1.asp

 

[RND]

TRY READING THIS ARTICLE:
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9902fea1.asp

I repeat: Try reading this article:
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9902fea1.asp

Gee, that was a fairly "unbalanced" and "one sided" article. Question: Where is there any authorization in the scriptures to change sabbath solemnity to Sunday?

"The [Catholic] Church, by the power our Lord gave her, changed the observance of Saturday to Sunday."--The Catholic canon, H. Cafferata, The Catechism Simply Explained, 1932 edition, p.80.

"The Catholic Church has decreed for many centuries that Christians observe this day of rest on Sunday."--Pope John XXIII, Mater et Magistra (Mother and Teacher), section 251, dated May 15, 1961

"The Church, . . . after changing the day of rest from Sabbath, or the seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment (actually 4th) refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day."--The Catholic Encyclopedia, vol. 4, p. 153

"Protestantism, in discarding the authority of the church has no good reasons for its Sunday theory, and ought logically to keep Saturday as the Sabbath." --John Gilmary Shea, "The Observance of Sunday and Civil Laws for its Enforcement," in The American Catholic Quarterly Review, Jan. 1883, p. 152

"Is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sunday and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this law among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may search the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify."--James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers, 92nd ed., rev., p. 89

 

[RND]

The question is not whether Jesus kept the Sabbath, but whether...

1. Saturday worship specifically is an unchangeable natural law, as not murdering.

If it was uttered from the mouth of God who has the authority to change God's law?

2. The Christian community had the ability to change to Sunday worship, just as they changed other COMMANDS from God that they interpreted as being temporary and part of the Old Covenant, such as circumcision.

They did? Where was this authorization given that the law of God could be changed by man?

Would you have been standing against Paul and Peter when the council declared that circumcision was no longer necessary?

That circumcision was no longer required for "salvation" was the issue, not whether circumcision was a an unnecessary practice.

Maintaining "Saturday only" worship is the modern issue for today's Judaizers...

No it isn't! It would not any more Judaizing than saying maintaining "one wife/no adultery" or "do not steal" would be Judaizing. How silly!

 

[RND]

You are kidding, right?

Jesus rose on the first day of the week, in fullfillment of the scriptures.

First day, not "eighth" day.

 

[Elijah674]

TRY READING THIS ARTICLE:
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9902fea1.asp

I repeat: Try reading this article:
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9902fea1.asp

Go back and read this thread and about all one hears is mans talk talk & more talk. Just Worth/less chatter!
It even violates 2 Cor. 4:2 +
Jer. 17
[5] Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

--Elijah

 

[Brother Lionel]

Lovely, your quote on Colossians 2 doesn’t refer to the Ten Commandments or anything in regards to it, i.e. the Sabbath. Paul here refers to the ceremonial laws, which includes “food, drink, festivals, new moons, or feast days". This is why he mentions circumcision at least five times. If Paul were referring to the weekly Sabbath of the Ten Commandments, then Paul would be hypocritical in his writings and would contradict with the rest of the NT authors. For instance, Paul says in 1Corinthians 7:19 that "Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing (the ceremonial laws), but the keeping of the commandments of God is what matters. Here Paul says to keep the Commandments of God but, according to your application, he also says to not let anyone judge you in disregarding the fourth commandment. That's not sound doctrine. John also says that we show our love for God when we keep His Commandments (1John 5:3). So how can we show our love for God and not obey one of His divine moral laws??? Especially when the New Testament gives us absolutely no direction, authority, or mandate that the sabbath has been altered or transferred to Sunday.

 

[Tina]

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Brother Lionel and Elijah have obviously ignored everything discussed in the whole thread and there's nothing new they are asking that hasn't already been addressed.

This thread is only going round in circular arguments. Perhaps it should be ....


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[Brother Lionel]

Tina,
If you would like to exit this thread, you're more than welcome to.

But the truth is the truth...

Our view on the Ten Commandments is that we should keep all ten of them, plain and simple. The bible is clear that those who know God keeps His Commandments, and those who say they know Him but doesn’t keep His Commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:4) So it seems that our logic is in line with the teachings of the bible. Our logic is to keep the same set of principles that God and all of the authors of His bible told us to keep. Also, our logic is to show our love towards God by keeping His commandments (John 14:15, 1 John 5:3). Will keeping the Ten Commandments save us? Absolutely not! Jesus is the only one that can save us. But after we accept Him as our Lord and Savior, we are called to live in obedience to His Word and to His Law – that includes the Ten Commandments. As the Word says; “Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the cityâ€Â. (Revelation 22:14) And “the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, those who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christâ€Â. (Revelation 12:17) That’s our logic, what's your's?…

Now, you may say “well, this doesn’t prove to me that Christians are mandated to keep the Sabbath because it doesn’t specifically state ‘keep the Sabbath’â€Â. But you cannot ignore the fact (or you fail to realize) that the NT does not exclude or extract the Sabbath from the Ten Commandments (if you have proof that it does, please by all means show us). With that being said, when the bible mentions “commandments of God†we can only arrive at the fact that the bible refers to ALL TEN of the commandments, not just nine of them. Furthermore, the Sabbath transference sounds very, very fishy when the NT says absolutely nothing about the change of a commandment that (1.) came from the voice and the finger of the Almighty God Himself, and (2.) was a commandment that was practiced for thousands of years. One would think that we would see at least one verse in the New Testament about a change in something that was observed for many millennia and that is so vitally important as one of the Ten Commandments which came from the very voice of God.

You try to disprove every scripture that we provide, and ridicule my denomination in which you had no scriptural basis to (actually the bible says to "lay aside all malice...and all evil speakings - 1Pe 2:1), but yet the words that came from the very mouth of the God of heaven are not enough? Interesting…

 

[Tina]

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Our view on the Ten Commandments is that we should keep all ten of them, plain and simple. The bible is clear that those who know God keeps His Commandments, and those who say they know Him but doesn’t keep His Commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:4) So it seems that our logic is in line with the teachings of the bible. Our logic is to keep the same set of principles that God and all of the authors of His bible told us to keep. Also, our logic is to show our love towards God by keeping His commandments (John 14:15, 1 John 5:3).

As the Word says; “Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the cityâ€Â. (Revelation 22:14) And “the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, those who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christâ€Â. (Revelation 12:17) That’s our logic, what's your's?…

Will keeping the Ten Commandments save us? Absolutely not! Jesus is the only one that can save us. But after we accept Him as our Lord and Savior, we are called to live in obedience to His Word and to His Law – that includes the Ten Commandments.

Really ??... ..... again I ask you .... show me where in the NT is the TEN Commandments mentioned. While the term "ten commandments" is mentioned 3 times in the Old Testament, in the entire NEW Testament, nowhere is the term "ten Commandments" mentioned, only "commandments" .... which you ASSUME to mean ten commandments including Sabbath.

Now, you may say “well, this doesn’t prove to me that Christians are mandated to keep the Sabbath because it doesn’t specifically state ‘keep the Sabbath’â€Â. But you cannot ignore the fact (or you fail to realize) that the NT does not exclude or extract the Sabbath from the Ten Commandments (if you have proof that it does, please by all means show us).

With that being said, when the bible mentions “commandments of God†we can only arrive at the fact that the bible refers to ALL TEN of the commandments, not just nine of them.

Why only stop at TEN Commandments then .... what about the other 603 ??
Please explain why aren't you keeping all 613 commandments of the OT.....

Furthermore, the Sabbath transference sounds very, very fishy when the NT says absolutely nothing about the change of a commandment that (1.) came from the voice and the finger of the Almighty God Himself, and (2.) was a commandment that was practiced for thousands of years. One would think that we would see at least one verse in the New Testament about a change in something that was observed for many millennia and that is so vitally important as one of the Ten Commandments which came from the very voice of God.

The NT says absolutely nothing about strictly keeping Saturday Sabbath either ! .... DUH !!!!!

You try to disprove every scripture that we provide, and ridicule my denomination in which you had no scriptural basis to (actually the bible says to "lay aside all malice...and all evil speakings - 1Pe 2:1), but yet the words that came from the very mouth of the God of heaven are not enough? Interesting…

Oh pardon me, man ..... I didn't know I was supposed to agree with everything you say in this Apologetics forum !

 

[francisdesales]

We should worship God everyday of the week so its not an issue of which day to worship, but which day do we regard as the holy day where we both rest and worship.

We worship liturgically on Sunday, the Jews on Saturday. They didn't worship as a community every day.

So how is it that the fourth commandment is still apart of the Ten Commandments and its not a natural principle (like murder)? So the other nine laws are unchangeable natural laws but the fourth commandment isnt? You're basically saying that we should keep only nine laws which is in contradiction to the bible...

What part of "where does God mandate SATURDAY as a divine law that we must 'rest' on" don't you get???

God said we keep the Sabbath holy. Did God say SATURDAY? Why not Tuesday? Did God command that we could NEVER celebrate the Sabbath on Tuesday? Did God specify that the Sabbath could never be moved to another day? Please direct me to Scriptures that tell me about SATURDAY as a Divine Law that is akin to "thou shall not murder"...

Can't you see this is the stance of the Judaizer, who demands we hold to Jewish custom that God rested on SATURDAY?

Why is it you keep asking the same questions and refuse to comment on my question? If you would regard this, you'd understand that the Apostles determined that the specific day of rest was not commanded, just that a day of rest was observed in commemoration of the Creation and God's work. We've already been through this...

2. The Christian community had the ability to change to Sunday worship, just as they changed other COMMANDS from God that they interpreted as being temporary and part of the Old Covenant, such as circumcision.

The Ten Commandments and the ceremonial laws are two completely different set of laws which fall under the umbrella of the OT law. Basically, you just said that man has the ability to change God's Ten Commandments which is blasphemy! Taking on the prerogatives of God and to act as God (To change His divine moral laws) is blasphemous according to the bible. Man does not have the ability or the right to change anything that God establishes!

Clearly, you are not familiar with the writing Christians call "The Acts of the Apostles". We call this book Sacred Scriptures. Within it, chapter 15, to be precise, there is an interesting passage that denies your theme. We see the Apostles deciding to overturn a commandment from God, the command for every male of the community to be circumcised. Can you show me in the OT where the Apostles found this warrant to do this?

If Christians were sola scripturists, they would definitely complain about what the Apostles did. Jesus was circumcised. The Apostles were circumcised. Jewish males, circumcised. Any converts to Judaism became circumcised. NOWHERE do we find a Scriptural warrant to overturn this law given onto Abraham and verified by Moses. And yet, there the Apostles claim that they AND THE HOLY SPIRIT found it good....!!!

Where did they get this authority? From above...

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Matt 16:18-19

Notice, JESUS HIMSELF (whom Christians considered as the Messiah, the Son of God) tells Peter (and later the other apostles in Matt 18) that "whatever they bind on earth shall be bound in heaven".

NOTE THE ORDER, MY FRIEND. It says that the Apostles, led by the Spirit, will bind, and it will be done in heaven. They will loosen, and it will be done in heaven. The Christians believed that they had this authority, thus, Christianity did not die on the vine for lack of believers.

Once this starts to sink in, that the Apostles were given authority from above, SATURDAY worship is not an issue anymore. No law was removed, since no law was EVER GIVEN that made SATURDAY SPECIFICALLY an eternal day of rest. That is a Jewish law, akin to not eating pork. Christians are not bound to follow Jewish customs and laws, as Paul clearly points out to several of his communities. Note that it appears that they HAD ALREADY MOVED THE SABBATH DAY!

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ. Col 2:16-17 KJV

Seeing this mention of "sabbath days" to the Colossians, one must conclude that the Judaizers were questioning what Christians had ALREADY done, moving the SAbbath to Sunday (if the nascent Christians were still celebrating Saturday sabbath, there would be no reason for Paul to mention this as something to be judged on by Judaizers)

Brother, your argument is with the Apostles and the Catholic Church of 50 AD...

Regards

 

[Elijah674]

This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
1 John 2:5-6

And that walk will not be according to the Arm of Flesh, but acoording to the Word of God.. Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16's COMPLETE BOOK!

--Elijah