francisdesales said:
Did God require SATURDAY sabbath observance?
Yes.
I ask you, just as "brother". I am presuming that since he hasn't answered with Scriptures, neither will you, since you are both SDA's and the SDA position falls upon this determination.
Not at all. I'll be glad to answer with scripture:
Exd 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, [which is] the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
The commandment in Exodus 16 was directed to both the Israelites and the "mixed multitude" that was with them.
Exd 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
Even "strangers" (aliens/gentiles) were required to observe the cease and desist aspect of the sabbath.
Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
God even predicted there would be aliens and gentiles that accepted His covenant because of His sabbath.
Not entirely, since Jeremiah said that a new covenant would come, which Paul jumped upon to state that the OLD would pass away, being a shadow of the good things that have come.
That "new covenant" was promised to either the house of Israel or Judah - to which do you belong.
The Decalogue is PART of the expression of the Jew's part of the Covenant.
So you mean the other tribes or gentiles could break the ten commandments?
God would be our God and we would be His People.
If we obey Him.
Whether it is obedience to "not kill", or obedience to "circumcise your son", obedience is meant to be an expression of the heart, not mere rules that God flouts over us.
The rules were written as a basic requirement - the Sermon on the Mount deals with the spiritual aspect of keeping the law.
This understanding of WHY God gave us the Law (which is more than the Decalogue) is summed up in loving God and loving neighbor (according to Jesus). Now, HOW EXACTLY does any of that interfere with Sunday vs. Saturday Sabbath?
God said Saturday, He didn't say Sunday thus to keep Sunday is to disobey God.
Thus, we have several problems with SDA doctrine...
1. SATURDAY Sabbath specifically is not a command of God. The command is to observe the Sabbath, and the particular day was set by the Jews of Moses' day.
Nope. Clear evidence is found in many places of the Bible that strangers were required to observe the commandment.
2. Failure to understand why God gave us the Law and why Jesus came to correct the Jew's understanding of it.
And yet Jesus did not come to "abolish" the law.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
3. Failure to comprehend that the Apostles had been given power to change or abrogate laws or traditions that they saw fit, being led by the Spirit, to relax. Acts 15 shows a fine example of this. Colossians and ancient Christian practice supports the idea that the Apostles had also changed the Sabbath day, as well.
The apostles were never given power or authority to change the commandments of God. In Acts 15 the apostles required certain Mosaic laws to be observed. All throughout the epistles we see that the ten commandments were upheld and stood upon.
Your own church admits as much:
"Sunday is a Catholic institution, and its claims to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles. From beginning to end of scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first."-- Catholic Press Sydney, Australia, August 1900.
"Is there no express commandment for the observance of the first day of the week as a Sabbath, instead of the seventh day?
"None whatever. Neither Christ nor His apostles nor the first Christians celebrated [observed] the first day of the week, instead of the seventh as the Sabbath." --New York Weekly Tribune [Roman Catholic], May 24, 1900.
"Some non-Catholics object to Purgatory because there is no specific mention of it in Scripture. There is no specific mention of the word Sunday in Scripture [either]. The Sabbath is mentioned, but Sabbath means [a keeping of] Saturday. Yet the Christians of almost all denominations worship on Sunday not on Saturday. The Jews observe Saturday. Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday."--Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics are Asked About, 1927, p. 236 .
"Protestantism, in discarding the authority of the church has no good reasons for its Sunday theory, and ought logically to keep Saturday as the Sabbath." --John Gilmary Shea, "The Observance of Sunday and Civil Laws for its Enforcement," in The American Catholic Quarterly Review, Jan. 1883, p. 152 [Shea (1824-1892), a Catholic priest, wrote an important history of American Catholicism].
"Ques. --Have you any other way of proving that the church has power to institute festivals of precept [command holidays]?
"Ans. --Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modem religionists agree with her.--She could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority --Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism, 1846 edition, p. 176 [Keenan was a Scottish priest, whose catechism has been widely used in Roman Catholic schools and academies].
"Ques. --Which is the Sabbath day?
"Ans. --Saturday is the Sabbath day.
"Ques. --Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
"Ans. --We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." --Peter Geiermann, The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, 1957 edition, p. 50 [Geiermann (1870-1929) received the "apostolic blessing" of pope Pius X on this book, January 26, 1910].
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