Why Sunday???

[RND]

This is merely poisioning the well...

You mean honest, direct quotes from Catholic theologians "poison the well?" I might tend to agree with you.

By putting out this laundry list of half-truths and comments by supposed "authorities", you hope to use smoke and mirrors to misdirect the attention of people reading these posts in the hope you can turn the tables upon me and "poison the well" - vilifying my religion and hoping that this vilification will also justify your unsupported and undefended position that "God made Saturday the day of the Sabbath...". I am fully aware of your childish tactics.

The quotes speak for themselves. Your "hurt feelings" not withstanding.

Try to remain on topic, you are fully aware that you are treading close to violating the rules of this board with your prattle...

Really? No one has said anything to me. Besides, the quotes I provided are quite germane to the topic and conversation.

The question is whether GOD stated, anywhere in the Sacred Scriptures, that Saturday was THE eternal sabbath day. God says keep the Sabbath, but never stated the day, thank you very much...

God clearly said "what day" - the seventh. See Exodus 20:8-11.

Likewise.

Thus, the SDA becomes as a babbling gong of Judaizers, focusing on things that are not even worthy of schism over.

Which uses the words of the Catholic theologian against the Catholic that has no idea what the scriptures actually say!

 

[RND]

Regarding the other big posts by RND: Why do all SDA's follow the same misleading playbook?

You mean the Bible is a misleading playbook?

You all quote the same stuff, never realizing that none of that stuff is an authoritative Church document. Newspaper articles, little tracts, etc. You might as well be quoting the Sunday funnies.

The fact of the matter is that the church does believe that Sunday is her day and a day in which it has complete control. None of the quotes I have offered have ever been refuted, or otherwise changed by any one within the Catholic church.

I swear, you guys are the same in every forum. Its like youre robots that can't think for yourselves.

Oh, we can think for ourselves alright. That's why we never need to run to the church, or a priest and ask them what the Bible says! :crazy

 

[RND]

I don't see "SATURDAY" used in these Scriptures. It speaks of the "seventh" day.

Tell me, you keep Sunday as remembrance of the resurrection of Jesus right? What day does the Bible say this happened?

Mar 16:9 Now when [Jesus] was risen early the first [day] of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

So if the Bible says Sunday is the first day of the week what day would be the seventh? Saturday perhaps?

We can number the days of the week starting any particular day of the week.

You could, but you'd stand out like a sore thumb.

If I begin on Monday, the seventh day of the week is Sunday. Genesis doesn't state WHICH DAY OF THE WEEK God began creation. You presume it is Sunday. However, that is a Jewish tradition. It is not a Divine warrant that Saturday is the "day" God rested (which, of course, is metaphoric, since God doesn't "rest" - as Jesus stated).

Are you so desperate to try and prove that Saturday isn't the seventh day that you would be willing to take leave of all your rationale and faculties?

What do secular sources say?

Satâ‹…urâ‹…day
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–noun
the seventh day of the week, following Friday.

Sunâ‹…day
  /ˈsʌndeɪ, -di/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [suhn-dey, -dee] Show IPA
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–noun
1. the first day of the week, observed as the Sabbath by most Christian sects.

The rest, I didn't address, because you continue with your presumption that Saturday is an eternal day of rest for all of mankind, when the Bible never states the day of the week.

You can figure it out on your own right?

it is a Jewish tradition that the "seventh day" is Saturday.

It's a Biblical "tradition."

The Decalogue never states WHICH is the "seventh day". In addition, individual priests can express their own opinions, they are not necessarily authoritative upon anyone in this day and age.

You can deduce on your own what day is what right? You can read scripture on your own and make a reasonable assumption right?

I have also explained how the Bible implies that Christians had already CHANGED Saturday Sabbath recognition in Paul's writing to the Colossians.

You have, and I have given you source after source from your own denomination to show you your assumption was completely wrong! :D The bottom line is you'd rather stick with "tradition" from your church and not the word of God. You've made your choice as to whom you will follow.

Question: If Jesus rose on Sunday, the first day of the week, what day is the seventh?

 

[Brother Lionel]

Really ??... ..... again I ask you .... show me where in the NT is the TEN Commandments mentioned. While the term "ten commandments" is mentioned 3 times in the Old Testament, in the entire NEW Testament, nowhere is the term "ten Commandments" mentioned, only "commandments" .... which you ASSUME to mean ten commandments including Sabbath.

LOL!! You deny that the NT refers to the Ten Commandments!!

Tell me did God refer to the Ten Commandments here?:
Exd 20:6 - And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

He didnt say "keep my ten commandments" He just said commandments, like the NT says. Did He refer to the Ten Commandments here or not?? Or how about here??:

Exd 24:12 - And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

So what about here?? Why didnt God say "and the ten commandments"?? He just said commadments, why?? The excuse that the NT doesnt specifically say "ten commandments" is a weak one and quite frankly, it makes you guys look like you are in denial...

Why only stop at TEN Commandments then .... what about the other 603 ??
Please explain why aren't you keeping all 613 commandments of the OT.....

How do you know that Im not?? :D The NT clearly teaches us that the ceremonial laws are abolished, and most of these OT laws dont even apply to us today (like incest) so it's not only practical to live by these laws, but it is also logical. There were four sets of laws in the OT; The Moral Divine Laws (The Ten Commandments), the ceremonial laws, the health laws, and the civil laws. Now, this thread, of course, is addressing an issue with the moral law. If it is still a sin to serve and worship a false god, make an image to bow down to, use the name of the Lord to do whatever you want, take a man's life, lie to a man, have intercourse with someone other than your wife/husband, and to dishonor your parents; then we have issues because thats not all of the moral law. The NT is clear that the ceremonial laws were abolished because Christ is now our Passover and High Priest. The NT says nothing about the abolishment of the health laws because we are told to be holy in all of our conduct, that includes what we eat, what we drink, and what we consume into our bodies as far as medicinal products. And if you say that we are not expected to abide by the health laws, then you contradict yourself because you also believe (hopefully) that drugs and alcohol shouldnt be consumed by Christians being that these things destroy one's temple. And the bible says that if any one defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are - 1Cr 3:17. The civil laws are still intact because we are a civilized people, and some parts of our justice system still practice some of the laws that God established back them. Could you imagine a government without civil laws?? Precisely, which is why it is common sense that the civil laws are still intact. So to say that "Jesus died for us because we can not keep the law" is true to an extent. Because after you except Him into your life, He then empowers you to obey His Word, i.e. His Law. Paul says I can do all things through Christ which strengthen me"! Now, am I perfect, by all means no. But did God call for obedience to His Word and to His law?? By all means, yes!

The NT says absolutely nothing about strictly keeping Saturday Sabbath either !

So even though Jesus and Paul kept the Sabbath, and the NT says nothing about the first day of the week being a holy day, you still defend Sunday??? Interesting....

 

[Brother Lionel]

We worship liturgically on Sunday, the Jews on Saturday. They didn't worship as a community every day.

Ok, fair enough. So if the bible gave the church no command to do so on Sunday, why do we do it?

What part of "where does God mandate SATURDAY as a divine law that we must 'rest' on" don't you get???

He mandated the day in the Ten Commandments, where did He mandate it for Sunday???

God said we keep the Sabbath holy. Did God say SATURDAY? Why not Tuesday? Did God command that we could NEVER celebrate the Sabbath on Tuesday? Did God specify that the Sabbath could never be moved to another day? Please direct me to Scriptures that tell me about SATURDAY as a Divine Law that is akin to "thou shall not murder"...

Can't you see this is the stance of the Judaizer, who demands we hold to Jewish custom that God rested on SATURDAY?

You're right, God didnt say SATURDAY, He said the seventh day. And no where in the bible does God state the Sabbath could be/should be moved. Now, which day is the seventh day??

 

[Brother Lionel]

This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
1 John 2:5-6

And that walk will not be according to the Arm of Flesh, but acoording to the Word of God.. Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16's COMPLETE BOOK!

--Elijah

 

[Brother Lionel]

It appears that RND is posting some documents that you guys are not willing to look into..

Sounds like denial to me. Just like when you say "where exactly does God mandate Saturday" worship when the bible is clear that the Sabbath day is the seventh day and the seventh day is Saturday.

 

[RND]

It appears that RND is posting some documents that you guys are not willing to look into..

Sounds like denial to me. Just like when you say "where exactly does God mandate Saturday" worship when the bible is clear that the Sabbath day is the seventh day and the seventh day is Saturday.

Brother Lionel, you and I both know that in order to obey God one must be willing to obey God. Some have not yet elected to take that last step to obey all of God's words and instead are quite comfortable supplanting His word with the tradition of their elders.

Nice to make your acquaintance BTW.

 

[Elijah674]

And some folk's even call the ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH ones of Rev. 17:1-5 Christian's, huh? --Elijah

 

[TheCatholic]

Passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead.

The early Church Fathers compared the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of the rite of circumcision, and from that they demonstrated that if the apostles abolished circumcision (Gal. 5:1-6), so also the observance of the Sabbath must have been abolished.


The Didache

"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).


The Letter of Barnabas

"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).


Ignatius of Antioch

"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).


Justin Martyr

"[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] youâ€â€namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm usâ€â€I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . ." (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155]).

"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).


Tertullian

"[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcisedâ€â€yes, and unobservant of the Sabbathâ€â€God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God" (An Answer to the Jews 2 [A.D. 203]).

 

[TheCatholic]

Brother Lionel, you and I both know that in order to obey God one must be willing to obey God.......

....and to do that you must understand what the Word says... ...which clearly you do not

 

[RND]

Brother Lionel, you and I both know that in order to obey God one must be willing to obey God.......

....and to do that you must understand what the Word says... ...which clearly you do not

Educate me then. Show me one verse, just one that says "Forget the sabbath day it's no longer Holy and I have taken my blessing away from it." Show me that one verse. Just one. C'mon, you can do it!!!!!!!

Or will you pay attention to what your own theologians say?

"Is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sunday and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this law among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may search the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify."--James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers, 92nd ed., rev., p. 89 [Cardinal Gibbons (1834-1921) was archbishop of Baltimore. This book was the most famous Catholic book in America a hundred years ago].

 

[TheCatholic]

Passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead.

The early Church Fathers compared the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of the rite of circumcision, and from that they demonstrated that if the apostles abolished circumcision (Gal. 5:1-6), so also the observance of the Sabbath must have been abolished.


The Didache

"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).


The Letter of Barnabas

"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).


Ignatius of Antioch

"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).


Justin Martyr

"[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] youâ€â€namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm usâ€â€I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . ." (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155]).

"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).


Tertullian

"[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcisedâ€â€yes, and unobservant of the Sabbathâ€â€God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God" (An Answer to the Jews 2 [A.D. 203]).

AND MORE.....


Origen

"Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection" (Commentary on John 2:28 [A.D. 229]).


Victorinus

"The sixth day [Friday] is called parasceve, that is to say, the preparation of the kingdom. . . . On this day also, on account of the passion of the Lord Jesus Christ, we make either a station to God or a fast. On the seventh day he rested from all his works, and blessed it, and sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord’s day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews . . . which Sabbath he [Christ] in his body abolished" (The Creation of the World [A.D. 300]).


Eusebius of Caesarea

"They [the early saints of the Old Testament] did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we [Christians]. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we. They did not avoid certain kinds of food, neither did they regard the other distinctions which Moses first delivered to their posterity to be observed as symbols; nor do Christians of the present day do such things" (Church History 1:4:8 [A.D. 312]).

"[T]he day of his [Christ’s] light . . . was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord’s day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality" (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186 [A.D. 319]).


Athanasius

"The Sabbath was the end of the first creation, the Lord’s day was the beginning of the second, in which he renewed and restored the old in the same way as he prescribed that they should formerly observe the Sabbath as a memorial of the end of the first things, so we honor the Lord’s day as being the memorial of the new creation" (On Sabbath and Circumcision 3 [A.D. 345]).


Cyril of Jerusalem

"Fall not away either into the sect of the Samaritans or into Judaism, for Jesus Christ has henceforth ransomed you. Stand aloof from all observance of Sabbaths and from calling any indifferent meats common or unclean" (Catechetical Lectures 4:37 [A.D. 350]).

 

[Elijah674]

Passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead.

The early Church Fathers compared the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of the rite of circumcision, and from that they demonstrated that if the apostles abolished circumcision (Gal. 5:1-6), so also the observance of the Sabbath must have been abolished.


The Didache

"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).


The Letter of Barnabas

"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).


Ignatius of Antioch

"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).


Justin Martyr

"[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] youâ€â€namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm usâ€â€I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . ." (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155]).

"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).


Tertullian

"[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcisedâ€â€yes, and unobservant of the Sabbathâ€â€God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God" (An Answer to the Jews 2 [A.D. 203]).

Just the same old GARBAGE of Jer. 17:5!

[5] Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

--Elijah

 

[RND]

It's truly sad when people can't, or more properly refuse to, use the Bible to make their point. Why is it that some will say that using modern theologians is akin to using "supposed authorities" yet using quotes from nearly 2,000 years ago is OK? Strange.

Bottom line is this. You can search the scriptures hi and lo and you won't find one verse of scripture that abolishes the 4th commandment. Not one. Thus, you'll be forced to trot out old meaningless quotes from "supposed authorities." And that's funny.

 

[RND]

Quoted from the web site:

74 AD The Letter of Barnabas "We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6-8).

Now, the actual quote:

The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation . . . Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. "And He rested on the seventh day." This meaneth: when His Son, coming [again], . . . then shall He truly rest on the seventh day. Moreover, He says, "Thou shalt sanctify it with pure hands and a pure heart." If, therefore, any one can now sanctify the day which God hath sanctified, except he is pure in heart in all things, we are deceived. Behold, therefore: certainly then one properly resting sanctifies it, when we ourselves, having received the promise, wickedness no longer existing, and all things having been made new by the Lord, shall be able to work righteousness. Then we shall be able to sanctify it, having been first sanctified ourselves. . . . Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfullness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens.

So according to pseudo-Barnabas, we are too wicked at present to keep the Sabbath, and will not be able to keep it until we are sanctified when Christ returns. Because we are too wicked to keep the Sabbath now, we must keep Sunday instead. What good does this reasoning do for the cause of Sunday sacredness?

We say pseudo-Barnabas, because all admit that Barnabas, companion of Paul, never wrote this strange epistle. And the date of 74 AD is highly questionable. Says the introduction in Roberts and Donaldson's edition of the Ante-Nicene Fathers.

 

[RND]

Quoted from the web site:

90AD DIDACHE: ...every Lord's day, hold your solemn assemblies, and rejoice: for he will be guilty of sin who fasts on the Lord's day, being the day of the resurrection... (Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 7, pg. 449)

Now, the actual quote:

[c. 250-300 AD Apostolic Constitutions:] We enjoin you to fast every fourth day of the week, and every day of the preparation, and the surplusage of your fast bestow upon the needy; every Sabbath-day excepting one, and every Lord's day, hold your solemn assemblies, and rejoice: for he will be guilty of sin who fasts on the Lord's day, being the day of the resurrection, or during the time of Pentecost, or, in general, who is sad on a festival day to the Lord. For on them we ought to rejoice, and not to mourn.â€â€bk. 5, sec. 3, xx.

 

[RND]

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[lovely]

Brother Lionel,

Thanks for your reply, I will pray, and study, about what you wrote to me. The Lord bless you.

 

[Brother Lionel]

Nice to meet you as well RND. I know that a lot of people will object to the notion that Christians should still keep all ten of the ten commandments. But I really truly believe that someone will take heed to what the bible truly says (and what it doesnt) and come into the knowledge of truth. When I was in babylon, I wish someone would have shared this information with me sooner so I am doing all that I can to reveal the truth about God's Word, His will, and His way. We must convince everyone to stand on the truth and the truth alone. In these times times, deception is running rampant and a lot of good spirit-filled people who love God are being led away from the truth so I feel that this is our duty. If the bible doesnt guide along, why go along??

Please heed the words of Jesus my friends!!!:

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Matthew 13:41-43
The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Matthew 23:27, 28
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

Lawlessness -
1) the condition of living without law
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness