Arrogance and pride are terrible things, aren't they? I notice that some Christians have great difficulty seeing themselves as others see them. I notice that you are a female who has little respect for your Elders.I don't believe in any modern day applications of scripture, but let scripture speak for itself. That shows me that you never went to read the scriptures I gave, or that you do not understand them
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Why the Church Gathering Has Changed
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as in how, not sure as i follow you on this . modern day there is only one set of scriptures . there seems to be a tiptoeing around the source. which is man who has tried to corrupt a perfect plan
Why do you call me arrogant and prideful. All I said was that you probably never went and read those scriptures I gave or possibly did not understand them. What is arrogant or prideful of saying that. Just because someone is older than me as being the elder does not mean I have to bow down and agree with what they say. Just remember, when you point a finger at someone three of those fingers point back to you. Just think on that for a moment.
Many modern day teachings have swayed away from Biblical truth and these type of teachings have become socially acceptable as they appeal to the logical mind leaving no room for having a Spiritual mind. That leads to a wide path that can cause ones own destruction.
not a female but i have had the trump card played not respecting elders.. respect is a 2 way street.
totally agree a bro preacher friend once said the church has a better rock band than ac- dc
My husband and I were looking for a new home church and the first one we went to check out the service had already started and someone came out and asked if she could help us instead of inviting us in to the service. Another church we checked out all they had was praise and worship band with singers and for the whole hour maybe short breaks for a ten minute Bible reading, taking up the offering and back to the singing. We just got up and walked out.
The biggest problem with many church gatherings is that Jesus knocks and no one will let Him in. Emotions takes the place of the Holy Spirit.
2Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
People need to quit playing Church and start being the true Church of God.
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So, I did not read through all seven pages just to see if anyone else used the same scripture. Why make an issue of it.
May I point out the flaw in your argument? Every Christian church and organization since time immemorial have used the bible to back up what they believe. i.e Jehovah's Witnesses; Mormons; Pentecostals; Lutherans; Eastern Orthodox; Plymouth Brethren; Anglican; Independent Catholic; Onesness Pentecostal; and so on and so on. Does that make them all right?
Where does it say respect is a two street in scripture regarding Elders?
Oh pleeeease! Is trite phrases and accusations the best that you can do?
All I said was that you probably never went and read those scriptures I gave or possibly did not understand them. If that comment is not arrogant and prideful, I don't know what is.
to get respect one needs show respect i can respect the person being a elder but respect them when they demand
Then why are your arguments based on modern-day interpretations?I don't believe in any modern day applications of scripture, but let scripture speak for itself. That shows me that you never went to read the scriptures I gave, or that you do not understand them
1 Corinthians 14:24 kjv
24. But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or oneunlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25. And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
The Revelation letters to the 7 churches are all different. Each Church is dealing with a different situation. Some need church discipline. Some do not face that problem, but need encouragement.
A couple of things:
A. If unbelievers or unlearned come in.
( That is the mission of the Church.)
Make disciples of all men.
As people come in there are instructions for dealing with a changing congregation.
B. The secular government is different world wide.
What we can look at in the USA may not fit some countries. The idea is inward change of individuals. Yes outward order, but that ability to use spiritual gifts to have a witness to unbelievers or unlearned is very important.
I do not now think we can ram our thoughts for a specific church down the throat of a totally different church. The instructions for dealing with individual congregations are as old as the Bible.
Things may not have totally changed.
eddif
24. But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or oneunlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25. And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
The Revelation letters to the 7 churches are all different. Each Church is dealing with a different situation. Some need church discipline. Some do not face that problem, but need encouragement.
A couple of things:
A. If unbelievers or unlearned come in.
( That is the mission of the Church.)
Make disciples of all men.
As people come in there are instructions for dealing with a changing congregation.
B. The secular government is different world wide.
What we can look at in the USA may not fit some countries. The idea is inward change of individuals. Yes outward order, but that ability to use spiritual gifts to have a witness to unbelievers or unlearned is very important.
I do not now think we can ram our thoughts for a specific church down the throat of a totally different church. The instructions for dealing with individual congregations are as old as the Bible.
Things may not have totally changed.
eddif
Where does it say all that in the New Testament?
Where does it say in scripture the pastor brought in from outside runs the church?
There are a lot of churches that do not have Elders.
Where does the bible mention section 501c3 of the IRS code?
Probably because most churches are non-prophet organizations.
In the true church, you do not have to fill out forms for the taxman or charities commission.