Why the Church Gathering Has Changed

[andy pandy]

I don't believe in any modern day applications of scripture, but let scripture speak for itself. That shows me that you never went to read the scriptures I gave, or that you do not understand them

Arrogance and pride are terrible things, aren't they? I notice that some Christians have great difficulty seeing themselves as others see them. I notice that you are a female who has little respect for your Elders.

 

[jasonc]

That's an untrue statement,I don't always agree with for his glory but she does use the Bible to back up her pov.

She isn't pro Vatican or catholic .quite the contrary .most churches have a by law and book of discipline

 

[jerry63935]

I don't believe in any modern day applications of scripture,

as in how, not sure as i follow you on this . modern day there is only one set of scriptures . there seems to be a tiptoeing around the source. which is man who has tried to corrupt a perfect plan

 

[for_his_glory]

Arrogance and pride are terrible things, aren't they? I notice that some Christians have great difficulty seeing themselves as others see them. I notice that you are a female who has little respect for your Elders.

Why do you call me arrogant and prideful. All I said was that you probably never went and read those scriptures I gave or possibly did not understand them. What is arrogant or prideful of saying that. Just because someone is older than me as being the elder does not mean I have to bow down and agree with what they say. Just remember, when you point a finger at someone three of those fingers point back to you. Just think on that for a moment.

 

[for_his_glory]

as in how, not sure as i follow you on this . modern day there is only one set of scriptures . there seems to be a tiptoeing around the source. which is man who has tried to corrupt a perfect plan

Many modern day teachings have swayed away from Biblical truth and these type of teachings have become socially acceptable as they appeal to the logical mind leaving no room for having a Spiritual mind. That leads to a wide path that can cause ones own destruction.

 

[jerry63935]

I notice that you are a female who has little respect for your Elders.

not a female but i have had the trump card played not respecting elders.. respect is a 2 way street.

Many modern day teachings have swayed away from Biblical truth and these type of teachings have become socially acceptable as they appeal to the logical mind leaving no room for having a Spiritual mind. That leads to a wide path that can cause ones own destruction.

totally agree a bro preacher friend once said the church has a better rock band than ac- dc

 

[for_his_glory]

not a female but i have had the trump card played not respecting elders.. respect is a 2 way street.

totally agree a bro preacher friend once said the church has a better rock band than ac- dc

My husband and I were looking for a new home church and the first one we went to check out the service had already started and someone came out and asked if she could help us instead of inviting us in to the service. Another church we checked out all they had was praise and worship band with singers and for the whole hour maybe short breaks for a ten minute Bible reading, taking up the offering and back to the singing. We just got up and walked out.

The biggest problem with many church gatherings is that Jesus knocks and no one will let Him in. Emotions takes the place of the Holy Spirit.

2Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

People need to quit playing Church and start being the true Church of God.

 

[jerry63935]

People need to quit playing Church and start being the true Church of God.

i been saying that for some time you just have to keep searching my church your welcome late or early. i dont beat around the bush i say what i mean and mean what i say

2Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

i used this scripture

 

[for_his_glory]

i used this scripture

So, I did not read through all seven pages just to see if anyone else used the same scripture. Why make an issue of it.

 

[andy pandy]

That's an untrue statement,I don't always agree with for his glory but she does use the Bible to back up her pov.

She isn't pro Vatican or catholic .quite the contrary .most churches have a by law and book of discipline

May I point out the flaw in your argument? Every Christian church and organization since time immemorial have used the bible to back up what they believe. i.e Jehovah's Witnesses; Mormons; Pentecostals; Lutherans; Eastern Orthodox; Plymouth Brethren; Anglican; Independent Catholic; Onesness Pentecostal; and so on and so on. Does that make them all right?

not a female but i have had the trump card played not respecting elders.. respect is a 2 way street.

totally agree a bro preacher friend once said the church has a better rock band than ac- dc

Where does it say respect is a two street in scripture regarding Elders?

 

[andy pandy]

Why do you call me arrogant and prideful. All I said was that you probably never went and read those scriptures I gave or possibly did not understand them. What is arrogant or prideful of saying that. Just because someone is older than me as being the elder does not mean I have to bow down and agree with what they say. Just remember, when you point a finger at someone three of those fingers point back to you. Just think on that for a moment.

Oh pleeeease! Is trite phrases and accusations the best that you can do?

All I said was that you probably never went and read those scriptures I gave or possibly did not understand them. If that comment is not arrogant and prideful, I don't know what is.

 

[jerry63935]

May I point out the flaw in your argument? Every Christian church and organization since time immemorial have used the bible to back up what they believe. i.e Jehovah's Witnesses; Mormons; Pentecostals; Lutherans; Eastern Orthodox; Plymouth Brethren; Anglican; Independent Catholic; Onesness Pentecostal;

Where does it say respect is a two street in scripture regarding Elders?

to get respect one needs show respect i can respect the person being a elder but respect them when they demand

 

[andy pandy]

I don't believe in any modern day applications of scripture, but let scripture speak for itself. That shows me that you never went to read the scriptures I gave, or that you do not understand them

Then why are your arguments based on modern-day interpretations?

 

[eddif]

1 Corinthians 14:24 kjv
24. But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or oneunlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25. And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

The Revelation letters to the 7 churches are all different. Each Church is dealing with a different situation. Some need church discipline. Some do not face that problem, but need encouragement.


A couple of things:
A. If unbelievers or unlearned come in.
( That is the mission of the Church.)
Make disciples of all men.
As people come in there are instructions for dealing with a changing congregation.

B. The secular government is different world wide.
What we can look at in the USA may not fit some countries. The idea is inward change of individuals. Yes outward order, but that ability to use spiritual gifts to have a witness to unbelievers or unlearned is very important.

I do not now think we can ram our thoughts for a specific church down the throat of a totally different church. The instructions for dealing with individual congregations are as old as the Bible.

Things may not have totally changed.

eddif

 

[andy pandy]

It is up to the Elders of the Church as Pastors do not run the board nor are they from outside the Church as there should only be one Pastor. There is usually an a assistant Pastor to take over if the regular Pastor is not there. Some Churches have youth Pastors for the teens that can Spiritually relate better with them.

Where does it say all that in the New Testament?

 

[andy pandy]

What I gave is straight out of the Bible for the governing of the Church according to His word.

Where does it say in scripture the pastor brought in from outside runs the church?

 

[andy pandy]

It is up to the Elders of the Church as Pastors do not run the board nor are they from outside the Church as there should only be one Pastor. There is usually an a assistant Pastor to take over if the regular Pastor is not there. Some Churches have youth Pastors for the teens that can Spiritually relate better with them.

There are a lot of churches that do not have Elders.

 

[andy pandy]

Actually Churches that meet the requirements of section 501c3 of the IRS Code are automatically considered tax exempt and are not required to apply for and obtain recognition of exempt status from the IRS as they are non-profit separating that from Church and State.

Where does the bible mention section 501c3 of the IRS code?

 

[andy pandy]

There are certain legal requirements to form a non-profit organization but I don't know enough about all the requirements other than there has to be leadership within the organization, but yet we are getting off topic.

Probably because most churches are non-prophet organizations.

 

[andy pandy]

No points of view, but what God has already given for the governing of His true Church. You can reject the scriptures I gave if you want.

In the true church, you do not have to fill out forms for the taxman or charities commission.