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When you can speak what God has revealed to you by the Holy Spirit then we can reason together.
But I am not Catholic I trust Jesus, not a system of doctrines, your box that is made from scriptures taken out of context,.in which you have created a formula in which you are god because you judge people based on rather they believe what you believe.
It's not about a system of your Catholic doctrines by which you think you are saved . It's about trusting Jesus. So that you become the type of person in the inside that naturally does what is right. Your box of doctrines have nothing to do with who you become they are religious. Because they have become things "you" must do to be saved. That puts you back under the law. And under condemnation. And to whom the shoe fits, regardless of your rhetoric is what is spoken of as a wells without spring.
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Not sure what you are talking about.
BUT here is my only question- Do you KNOW THAT CHRIST IS IN YOU FOR YOURSELF?
Im asking you !
If it's the church you are in then im not surprised either smile?
And I'll stop here. The pharasees had a righteousness all their own too, but it was not in accords with truth.
I can see we cannot walk together and nothing good is going to come out of this.. So Peace to you!
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Jesus established the church and revealed her doctrine
Truth is not a feeling or emotion
Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13) one faith (eph 4:5) the faith delivered to the apostles (Jude 1:3)
All Christians are to be of one mind, one heart, one spirit:
Acts 2:46
Romans 12:16
Romans 15:6
2 cor 13:11
Eph 4:1
Phil 1:27
Phil 2:2
1 Peter 3:8
One faith eph 4:5 Jude 1:3
If you are lacking this unity of faith and spirit it may be a sign that your not in the new covenant, the communion of saints, the mystical body of Christ!
As said I am not apart of what ever church you are in, for I trust Jesus. I would think one has to come to believe who Jesus is to receive the Spirit of God.
And that would be part of the way to be of one Spirit.
Yet you seem to have knowledge of many scripture but master of none. FOR I asked a simple question and you give me a Catholic Denominational answer. When I can look up what they believe myself.
How do you yourself know that Jesus Christ is in you?
Faith and baptism gal 3:27
How can there be unity of faith unless we have the same faith?
Is the church necessary for salvation?
Exactly ! and I dont think we do. You believe Catholic doctrine must be believed and it saves you and I believe God saves.
You believe water Baptism saves you
And I believe God saves and can sanctify the water
You believe its not God alone that saves and have made your participation in water baptism a work for Salvation.
And I believe we are justified by the faith/faithfulness of Jesus which is God
you believe a doctrine that you have made a formula out of that condemns people
And I believe Its God who saves and that God can use any act of faith He chooses to save. And He does not have to wait until we understand everything to save us.
by your very own words You believe if you have not been baptized in water that you can't be saved.
And my spouse was not baptized and so you judged Him to hell
Even though He received revelation and has peace with God.
So no we are not in unity with the same Spirit, because you trust a system and I strive to trust Jesus.
ACTS 4
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Yet you believe salvation is found in Catholic doctrine that has been formed by passages taken out of context. And then you have made a formula out of false hood and judge people by it.
So your faith allows you to boast
While mine, there is no boasting in Christ.
So you are correct if we had the same Spirit we could be in unity but we don't...
For one must first come to believe who Jesus is with intent to follow.
But it seems you put the cart before the horse.
"who has bewitched you" You are concerned with things you have to do, instead of the person you need to trust. Humble yourself and listen . You are concerned with the church and don't understand what puts You in it. BELIEF IN WHO JESUS IS.
It's ok to read scripture for yourself:
Subject 1
1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?
3Are you so foolish? After starting in the Spirit, are you now finishing in the flesh? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing, if it really was for nothing? 5Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you practice the law, or because you hear and believe?
Nor can Jesus be contained in the catholic box. How can one even grow spiritually.
And I just learned something about Catholicism.(and I was wrong my spouse was sprinkled as a baby, but came out under the Catholic church when young.) I went online to find out some of yalls beliefs
The number one issue is that you believe everything is built off the pope. Thats not what Peter upon this rock means.
You said you studied the Bible? But only through a filter? Because there is too much in the Bible you would have to turn your face to look over which opposes Catholic doctrine.
If Peter was fallable why did Paull need to correct him
Do you know that even the spirit of phophet are subject to the prohphets
1 cor 14
29Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. 32And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Do you know about this:
10As soon as night had fallen, the brothers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went into the Jewish synagogue. 11Now the Bereans were more noble-minded than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if these teachings were true.a As a result, many of them believed, along with quite a few prominent Greek women and men.
Did you know this:
2 Tim 3
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Therefore your pope's teachings and doctrine must be subject to the the word of God.
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The church is a kingdom with a king not a democracy, you and I don’t administer the kingdom and we don’t get a vote!
Ok let’s talk Peter
One subject at a time please they are large subjects
Is Peter’s person blessed or His confession?
Does Peter receive the keys of jurisdictional authority or does his confession?
You must understand I at this very moment know Jesus is in me. I have been born again. God has given me life.
So I can hear you but its impossible for you to give me life when I have received it.
So I can listen but, but its like this if I have learned my A,B,C s
And have went on to read, write, and understand written passages I am not going to go back to learning letters again.
Hebrews 6
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Another words While yes I can be taught by people who are inspired by the Holy Spirit, But looking at what you ARE trusting in, I HAVE TO ASK HOW DO YOU KNOW YOURSELF YOU RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT?
"THE BLIND CAN LEAD THE BLIND" BUT MY EYES HAVE BEEN OPENED.
ITS REALLY THIS SIMPLE YOU NEED TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE CAME OUT OF THAT SYSTEM, CATHOLICISM.
I CAN TELL YOU THIS OUT OF LOVE:
YOU MUST BE BORN FROM ABOVE...
THIS IS THE GOSPEL I WILL PREACH TO YOU:
(Life in )THE KINGDOM OF THE HEAVENS IS AVAILABLE TO ENTER NOW FOR ANYONE THAT TRUST THE KING ; JESUS
IT IS IN JESUS THAT YOU WILL FIND EVERYTHING YOU NEED FOR LIFE AND GODLINESS INCLUDING FORGIVENESS OF SIN.
WILL YOU ALLOW Jesus to Lord over your life, who is the foundation the Rock that the builder rejected?
It's up to you now, I dont want you to think you have life, I want you to know you have life. GOD BLESS
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I thought we were discussing Peter?You must understand I at this very moment know Jesus is in me. I have been born again. God has given me life.
So I can hear you but its impossible for you to give me life when I have received it.
So I can listen but, but its like this if I have learned my A,B,C s
And have went on to read, write, and understand written passages I am not going to go back to learning letters again.
Hebrews 6
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Another words While yes I can be taught by people who are inspired by the Holy Spirit, But looking at what you ARE trusting in, I HAVE TO ASK HOW DO YOU KNOW YOURSELF YOU RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT?
"THE BLIND CAN LEAD THE BLIND" BUT MY EYES HAVE BEEN OPENED.
ITS REALLY THIS SIMPLE YOU NEED TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE CAME OUT OF THAT SYSTEM, CATHOLICISM.
I CAN TELL YOU THIS OUT OF LOVE:
YOU MUST BE BORN FROM ABOVE...
THIS IS THE GOSPEL I WILL PREACH TO YOU:
(Life in )KINGDOM OF THE HEAVENS IS AVAILABLE TO ENTER NOW FOR ANYONE THAT TRUST THE KING ; JESUS
IT IS IN JESUS THAT YOU WILL FIND EVERYTHING YOU NEED FOR LIFE AND GODLINESS INCLUDING FORGIVENESS OF SIN.
WILL YOU ALLOW Jesus to Lord over your life, who is the foundation the Rock that the builder rejected?
It's up to you now, I dont want you to think you have life, I want you to know you have life. GOD BLESS
We can but I thought I better share the gospel first
As long as you use scriptures in context and not view them from catholic doctrine I will do my best. But I actually believe a person that has came out of that system and is born again can better help you.
Here is how I see it you received water baptism for salvation and trusting in it for salvation.
And Im trusting Jesus who is in controll and has created everything.
But lets duscuss Peter....
Hi corinth
Two comments
Catholics depend on Jesus for salvation.
The Pope does not make doctrine.
Wondering, I'm speaking from what dona has written. As a man thinkieth in His heart so is He. So I am sure not all Catholics.
But people usually come to speak similar things who have first trusted in Christ, believed Jesus is the son of the living God, is God, master, ruler, creator of all. Etc.
And while one thing may seem a certain way, Dona believes through a lens. She/He has trusted in Doctrine First. Which is not the foundation. Jesus is. Which the outcome is religion, not relationship. Been there myself so I see clearly.
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To your second comment thank you, I admitt I do not know much about the in-s and out-s of Catholicism. But what I am saying is the doctrine is of men. For it's not built off Christ, but a system of scriptures taken out of context.
For when one should be able to see through correction by scriptures that reject their scriptures used to defend their doctrine and does not: we know they are interpretting through a lens. Yet God's word cannot be put in a box. And the person is going to grow only in the limitation of their box.
It's like a person who has no outside view of the world, who has only lived in the house with one parent far away in the woods for their lifetime. They only see in regards to their environment.
And Catholic doctrine is like that, one sees only through that system, even interprets scripture from it. That is why the pharasee were blind. They'd yet to believe on Jesus. As recall from my senerio a person to be sheltered who has not been out in the world.
Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
Another words in "first" trusting Jesus, coming to belief in who
He is is how one receives the Spirit...which I may talk about later. This is a foundational truth.
When you trust in doctrine before trusting in Jesus then what you may get is what I described already. Because now you interpret Jesus from the box.
Which one misses out on a relationship, where this relationship results in eternal life- to know the father and His son who He has sent.
So go back to verse 27 why are they like whitewash tombs?
For one. they have yet to receive a new heart by belief in who Jesus is. So in this sense of Dona we find through her/his words that They are concerned with outward aspects of Water baptism as something you must Do outwardly in order to be saved. Saved meaning receive the holy Spirit, But what is happening in Acts is not that these were not born again, but that their sins needed to be washed away.
Thereby which regeneration has to happen first in a Catholic like Dona life. Then the Gift of the Holy Spirit is knowledge of the presence of God at water Baptism. Life in the Kingdom
Where in this sense it does not matter (the "empty" words Dona speaks in telling one they must be baptized to be saved) Even though he/she may mean well- because of the Lens she/he view this by. Just something you must do. And in this case You can do it all you want and still may never have the reality of life that should have come to awaken you ( born from above) ; regenerated When you first believed.
Therefore if one has yet to be born from above, then their deeds cannot come from a heart purified by love. Nor can they see the kingdom.
The foundation must be Christ . Not scriptures taken out of context and formed into a box where which one view other scriptures from. That becomes circular and cultic.
Take this passage for example:
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire..
In red I high lighted than that is laid , not the pope, creed, papacy, or what ever had helped to put these doctrines in which people of the Catholics religion must believe for their salvation.
And I can't say all that I do not mean by this either.
Point is Jesus Christ is the foundation,
And one needs a new heart, outcome -a new direction.
So if I were to preach the Gospel it may be like this REPENT and believe this good news
The kingdom is at hand, available to enter now, for any one who believes who God has showed Jesus to be. The Son of the living God, creator of all, Master, Lord , ruler, King etc.
Forgiveness of sin and everything you need for life and Godliness is found in Him.
Now if one believe the word , I believe the word is Spirit and Life. So in believing the word they receive the Holy Spirit Therefore this would have made someone want to show allegiance to their king, to the word they have accepted through water baptism.
For if you look at water baptism scriptures its after they received the word, or teaching that they were bapized unto who ever taught them. (Which means God worked through, or spoke through His apostles.) So they weren't to be baptized unto the apostles but In the name of Jesus.
So look at Moses as a a type of Christ. They were bapized into Moses under the cloud and in the red sea. Why or how was that? Because they obeyed the word through His voice. But who were they really obedient to? God
Therefore we see the faith or faithfulness of the people was God. It's God who saves, from faith to faith.
Obedience to His words bring deliverence, life. Peace, and joy. Another words obedience to God's commands can be to protect us; Give us life so other can eat from us.
For to believe in Jesus meets the command to believe in the one He has sent And that is the will of the Father.
John 6:40 For it is My Father's will that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
"Believes" is a continual word
This is a place where you recognize like doubting Thomas that He is Truly Lord and God. He said unless I see I will not believe.
That is why you must be born again have not just a physcal birth seeing with physical eyes, but a spiritual birth seeing with Spiritual eyes.
That:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
This is what came to me- and I can be wrong have been in areas before but test what is said by the word.
Test the Spirit ( the words I write) by the scripture
1 John
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.