Fastfredy0
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I can follow it. Some of your opinions contradict reality IMO or are dependent upon implicit interpretation that fit your Christian views. See below:Is what I am saying so confusing you can not follow it all, but only twisting to what I have said.
This is true. But ALL is an ambiguous term. The definition on Google is: used to refer to the whole quantity or extent of a particular group or thing. You use ALL to mean whatever fits your theology. When God says He died for ALL it could mean 'everyone without exception' as you propose .... or ALL could mean a 'particular group'...like for Jews and Gentiles being one of many examples.The Bible says that Jesus died for all; therefore, Jesus died for all.
The empirical evidence proves you wrong to say Christ died for everyone without exception:
Premise1: Faith cometh by hearing the gospel
Permise2: Faith is required to go to heaven
Permise3: Billions of people have died not hearing the gospel (you can do a google search)
Conclusions:
- Either Christ did not did for everyone without exception (referring to the word ALL) or
- Christ died for everyone without exception, but he died in vain for the most part or
- Christ died for ALL and ALL refers to 'group(s)' as I pointed out in the dictionary
Consider: Jill says, "All motorcycles have 2 wheels. " Greg responds, "That's ridiculous. A single motorcycle has two wheels. And there are of 200,000,000 motorcycles in the world. Therefore, all motorcycles would have over 400,000,000 wheels. Thus the word ALL is ambiguous and often construed by one's bias.
The word WORLD is ambiguous. If by WORLD you mean everyone with exception then hallelujah, we are all saved for all our sins are taken away. I've always voted for universal salvation.John 1:29, "The next day he saw Jesus coming to him, and said, 'Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!'"
Same argument as above. WORLD is ambiguous. You use it to suit your doctrine. The syllogism above proves God did not die for everyone (or He died in vain).... or perhaps you can give me a scripture of even one person in the Bible that we know is in Hell that Jesus specifically said He loved. Like, Judas Iscariot, I love you .... or anyone you can find.John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."
Why did Christ not say "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated [and loved].
Why does Christ hate so many people he loves?
Psalm 5:4 For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness; No evil [person] dwells with You. 5 The boastful and the arrogant will not stand in Your sight; You hate all who do evil. 6 You destroy those who tell lies; The Lord detests and rejects the bloodthirsty and deceitful man. By saying God loves everyone without exception you are saying God loves evil for evil is NOT a thing as it cannot exist on its own ... it must have a host and that host is man. You contend that a holy God loves evil men. (How do you define HOLY?)
LOL.... your theology surely relies on the ambiguous word WORLD. Maybe WORLD means planet, though I admit that does agree with other scripture. But if you can isolate scripture for your purposes, why shouldn't I say WORLD means the planet, though I don't so contend.John 4:42, "and they were saying to the woman, 'It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves and know that this One is indeed the Savior of the world.'"
“Behold, the world is gone after Him” (John 12:19) .... using your definition of WORLD in this verse means there were 400 million people (Google est. at time of Christ) following Christ around Galilee, etc. Wonder how people on all fit for the sermon on the mount.
Is there story of feeding the 400 million... how could 400 million people in the same land mass of Israel all be fed, who told them all to come to Israel, how did the North America get there ... just teasing... the point is you are using an AMBIGUOUS word to support your doctrine when other scripture does not.
Why would a HOLY GOD in which there is no darkness LOVE evil (those going to heaven)? God cannot deny himself. He cannot love evil. This is what you are suggesting IMO. Correct me if I am wrong... tell me how God can love that which is evil unless they be put IN CHRIST?
I have to smile... Back to the ambiguous use of the word ALL. I explained above.1 Tim. 4:10, "For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers."
Again, with the word WORLD. You are going to other ambiguous verses that use the word WORLD.1 John 2:2, "and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world."
1 John 4:14, "And we have beheld and bear witness that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world."
If God saved the WORLD and the WORLD includes everyone without exception then everyone is saved. I wish that were true. If it is true, then I am convinced that you are correct and God does love everyone without exception.
“Your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world” (Romans 1:8) ... amazing, ... if world means everyone without exception as you propose in your verses, then somehow they ALL (everyone without exception)
Admittedly, ALL and WORLD can mean everyone without exception. That is why one must use EXPLICIT verses to scrutinize IMPLICIT verses. Give me some EXPLICIT verses. Show me where God says He loves someone we know is in hell, even one person. Explain how God can love ALL people yet give billions NO CHANCE of salvation, tell me why you think a HOLY GOD can loves those are evil. Love is a volition to favor ... how is it you feel that a majority of mankind will spend 99.99999999% of their existence in HELL and yet say these people are favored/loved by God????? Maybe you set the bar on the definition of LOVE very, very low.
Thanks for your patience with me. In point of fact, I think you very knowledgeable. I am still shocked you had heard of Vincent Cheung (maybe he is more famous than I had supposed).