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Some people don't like others thinking for themselves and having opinions and making there own choice. They want full control over other people's lives and think they are allowed an opinion and to make choices and get upset when people don't do what they want them to do. I mean if someone wants that much control over other human beings lives they should probably see a psychologist. In a general relationship when a man controls a woman like that in a relationship there is outrage, it's called psychological abuse.
 
kiwidan said:
Some people don't like others thinking for themselves and having opinions and making there own choice. They want full control over other people's lives and think they are allowed an opinion and to make choices and get upset when people don't do what they want them to do. I mean if someone wants that much control over other human beings lives they should probably see a psychologist. In a general relationship when a man controls a woman like that in a relationship there is outrage, it's called psychological abuse.
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When the government does it’s called, “saving lives.”
 
Dorothy Mae said:
Those who chose to blindly believe the government and complied have a deep emotional stake in continuing to do so. No one likes to admit they were duped.
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This is a useless argument since I can make the same claim about people like you, except that you blindly believe your sources of misinformation and disinformation. It gets us nowhere.

Dorothy Mae said:
The only part to be aware of for those who think is that the group supporting the government decision too often will display a racist kind of actual hatred for those who do not comply.
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Its actually been the opposite where I am. It's all the anti-vaxxer/anti-mandate people that have been physically assaulting and verbally abusing people.

Dorothy Mae said:
They trusted the government and gave them their bodies for the big experiment and cannot tolerate any other choice. This lack of tolerance tells us a great deal about who is behind this.
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This is nonsense. There is no "big experiment" and even if there is, you certainly cannot prove it, so it is mere conjecture.

It's hard not to notice that you didn't even attempt to provide sources for your claims. Until you do, it's all merely your opinion.

Dorothy Mae said:
Whose making $$$$ by not getting those injections???
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People selling snake oil as viable treatments, such as Ivermectin, or people peddling misinformation and disinformation on media like YouTube and racking up those views.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
Throughout the crises I looked up the number of positive cases and the number of dead and did the math. Always the same before and after. And the numbers are really worse because if you came into
the hospital with a broken leg and tested positive, you were “hospitalized for covid” even if free of symptoms. If you died 24 hours after the shot, it was never the shot. If you were getting tested and on the way home died in an accident, if the test was positive, you died of covid. This is not an exaggeration.
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Sources?
 
Free said:
This is a useless argument since I can make the same claim about people like you, except that you blindly believe your sources of misinformation and disinformation. It gets us nowhere.


Its actually been the opposite where I am. It's all the anti-vaxxer/anti-mandate people that have been physically assaulting and verbally abusing people.


This is nonsense. There is no "big experiment" and even if there is, you certainly cannot prove it, so it is mere conjecture.

It's hard not to notice that you didn't even attempt to provide sources for your claims. Until you do, it's all merely your opinion.


People selling snake oil as viable treatments, such as Ivermectin, or people peddling misinformation and disinformation on media like YouTube and racking up those views.
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The evidence of an emotional answer if ever there was one. I rest my case.
 
kiwidan said:
Some people don't like others thinking for themselves and having opinions and making there own choice. They want full control over other people's lives and think they are allowed an opinion and to make choices and get upset when people don't do what they want them to do. I mean if someone wants that much control over other human beings lives they should probably see a psychologist. In a general relationship when a man controls a woman like that in a relationship there is outrage, it's called psychological abuse.
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Except that this is a false analogy. The problem from day one of the pandemic has been that the longer the virus is out there, the more it mutates and the greater the chance of a more deadly strain. This is precisely what happened with Delta, and then we got much more contagious strains with Omicron and its variants.

We elect government officials to make certain decisions and that includes those for the protection of the people. It has been very clear from all the misinformation and disinformation being spread by anti-vaxxer/anti-madate people that certain measures needed to be put in place to slow the spread of the novel coronavirus. Governments know that there will be people like this regardless of the situation. How so? Because people are inherently selfish, particularly in Western cultures.

What has been most disappointing has been the selfishness of those who call themselves Christian. Nothing has shown just how much worldliness is in the Church like the pandemic has.
 
Free said:
You have no case. That is the point. All your assertions remain unsupported.
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You’d think I was the only one with this view and if I don’t supply my reasons for thinking as I do then there are none.

This mandate to submit your body for whatever others want or else is not over. So many willingly complied, they’ll do it again.
 
Free said:
Except that this is a false analogy. The problem from day one of the pandemic has been that the longer the virus is out there, the more it mutates and the greater the chance of a more deadly strain. This is precisely what happened with Delta, and then we got much more contagious strains with Omicron and its variants.

We elect government officials to make certain decisions and that includes those for the protection of the people. It has been very clear from all the misinformation and disinformation being spread by anti-vaxxer/anti-madate people that certain measures needed to be put in place to slow the spread of the novel coronavirus. Governments know that there will be people like this regardless of the situation. How so? Because people are inherently selfish, particularly in Western cultures.

What has been most disappointing has been the selfishness of those who call themselves Christian. Nothing has shown just how much worldliness is in the Church like the pandemic has.
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I mean if someone does not want some companies product in there body that's a choice. I mean even the bill of rights under life and security says everyone has the right no to be subject to scientific or medical experiments without there consent. And everyone has the right to refuse to undergo any medical treatment. That's under life and security.

Why do some people disrespect others peoples life and security rights to make to there own choice and he upset when people don't do what they want them to do, someone gets penalised for it or get less privileges than others for there choice.
 
kiwidan said:
I mean if someone does not want some companies product in there body that's a choice. I mean even the bill of rights under life and security says everyone has the right no to be subject to scientific or medical experiments without there consent. And everyone has the right to refuse to undergo any medical treatment. That's under life and security.

Why do some people disrespect others peoples life and security rights to make to there own choice and he upset when people don't do what they want them to do, someone gets penalised for it or get less privileges than others for there choice.
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It works when the government sells its narrative for some, and forces others through one dictator decree and lastly telling the compliant that their whole suffering is because of the non-compliant people so hate them into submission. What is freedom of speech and rights compared to freedom from a virus? (Works nicely because viruses are never all gone so the tyranny continues promising that freedom in exchange for the bill of rights.)
 
I got locked down because apparently it was going to eliminate the virus completely, that was the level 4 lockdown, eliminate, and all the mandates to minimise the spread. As far as I know the virus is still around, yet if i dont praise the failure that basically only ruined many people's lives I get told I don't care about other people's health.
 
And when it comes to the vaccine I have never interfered with anyone. I have never interfered and encouraged or discouraged as I believe other people have a choice and they can do there own research, they can talk to there doctor or a health professional and come to there own decision and conclusion. Its not my business. Other people's medical decisions are none of my business. I have never been anti-jab.

I have not been a fan of lockdowns and mandates but I don't know anyone who likes lockdowns, I don't think anyone wants to be lockdown, but my only complaints were specific things, like the healthy fruit and vegetable store and butcher forced to close while everyone could only go to a couple of limited stores when they all have the same practice, or not allowed to go for a isolated drive for a isolated walk along the beach or the park, I just think that's a bit over the top, and people not allowed to have a funeral. Just things like that I just think it was way too harsh.
 
kiwidan said:
I got locked down because apparently it was going to eliminate the virus completely, that was the level 4 lockdown, eliminate, and all the mandates to minimise the spread. As far as I know the virus is still around, yet if i dont praise the failure that basically only ruined many people's lives I get told I don't care about other people's health.
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That’s exactly how it works…shoot those who dare to think.
 
kiwidan said:
And when it comes to the vaccine I have never interfered with anyone. I have never interfered and encouraged or discouraged as I believe other people have a choice and they can do there own research, they can talk to there doctor or a health professional and come to there own decision and conclusion. Its not my business. Other people's medical decisions are none of my business. I have never been anti-jab.

I have not been a fan of lockdowns and mandates but I don't know anyone who likes lockdowns, I don't think anyone wants to be lockdown, but my only complaints were specific things, like the healthy fruit and vegetable store and butcher forced to close while everyone could only go to a couple of limited stores when they all have the same practice, or not allowed to go for a isolated drive for a isolated walk along the beach or the park, I just think that's a bit over the top, and people not allowed to have a funeral. Just things like that I just think it was way too harsh.
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One has to ask what the goal was. I started to get suspicious mid 2020 when the government statement didn’t match or defied known science. Then I paid attention and found out a lot of information before the governments shut the info sources down.
 
kiwidan said:
Its amazing how protected some private companies are. I mean discussions about the vaccines are nothing to do with the government they are private companies.
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Well the President requires these private companies inject you with their experimental substance in order to live.

You know, the CDC, who reviewed all the data, doesn’t have 100% compliance with the mandate.
 
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