Jethro Bodine
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Not anymore.
Frontal lobotomies they don't know they have <hee, hee> go a long way to keeping things sane around the hood, lol.
Still busy, but sane.
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How is a biblical conflict solved?
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Frontal lobotomies they don't know they have <hee, hee> go a long way to keeping things sane around the hood, lol.
Still busy, but sane.
Jethro Bodine
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I'm, not, but together with my fellow brothers and sisters of like spiritual mind we can discern the real truth.
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Mungo
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You infallibly think so?
We have 2,000 years of great theologians but they all got it all wrong.
Only you and a few mates have the truth!
I don't see how our perusal of the manifestation of the Word on earth in the flesh as Jesus, can diminish the nature of Jesus Christ.
I mean, we now have the same divine nature He had !
It isn't His nature that is being "rationalized", it is His origin.
BTW, the term "divinity" isn't even in the KJV of the bible.
Jethro Bodine
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Respect is one thing. We are to consider every man greater than ourselves.
But parading a statue of someone on a pedestal down the streets of the city and in the isles of the church is quite another.
Jethro Bodine
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No, John says we have the capacity to discern the truth that I'm speaking about.
They didn't get it all wrong. What they did is slowly corrupt the truth over the centuries.
Mungo
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in your personal and fallible opinion.
Oh, sorry. I forgot that you and your mates are infallible.
Jesus was His own Father?
Think about it.
Jesus was the Word.
After taking on flesh, He was no longer the Word.
It was the Word that "was God".
We don't, as she is in a grave awaiting the day of resurrection.
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Jethro Bodine
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If you can't see that making a statue of someone and lifting it up high and parading it through the streets is worship...well...what are we gonna do with you...?
Mungo
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Worship is something that happens in the heart.
Can you discern someone's heart?
Jethro Bodine
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Yes he does.
Here:
1 John 2:27
27And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you.
Believers have the anointing to be able to discern the truth. You say we don't. I'm going with the scriptures on this one, thank you.
Jethro Bodine
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What is in the heart is revealed by what happens on the outside.
When you parade a statue of someone down the street we know what is in the heart.
Jethro Bodine
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An opinion that is being shown more and more to be an educated and accurate opinion. An opinion that comes from the God-given discernment that every true believer has, if they'll just rely on it instead of relying on what someone else tells them is the truth.
Amen...but John didn't add "and so was Jesus".
What makes you think He was born with a fallen nature?
His quote was from a time when it was true,
Since Jesus though, it isn't true any longer.
Mungo
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A good example of where you go wrong.
This is a classic taking a verse out of context.
The Biblical way to hear the Good News was to hear it being preached not be reading a book and working it out oneself.
“But how can they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how can they believe in him of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach?” (Rom 10:14).
All though Acts and Paul’s letters we hear about the word being preached.
This was not just for the apostolic age. Jesus says about the end times:
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come. (Mt 24:14)
John, who wrote the text we are considering, records two promises that Jesus made to the apostles at the Last Supper. This was his final talk to them before his death and resurrection. He had been teaching them for 3 years and was soon to send them out on mission to take the gospel into the world where they would be facing new situations and new challenges.
He makes them two promises.
Firstly about the past – all he has taught them.
But the Counsellor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. (Jn 14:26).
Secondly about the future – to guide them in new situations
When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. (Jn 16:13)
And we can see how this guiding happened in Acts 1 (the choosing of Matthias as a successor to Judas), and in Acts 15 (the Council of Jerusalem)
Now we move to John’s letter, chapter 2. He is writing to Christians who he personally has catechised, taught them everything, taught them the truth. He addresses them as “my children” (vs 1) and “beloved” (vs 7). However they are in danger of being led astray by false teachers. That is the context. And we need to start at vs 20 not 24 to get the immediate context
20. But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all know.
Footnotes say some manuscripts say “you know everything” instead of you all know.
They know because John has taught them.
21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it… [because John has taught them].
24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you[what they have already been taught]. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you will abide in the Son and in the Father.
Now vs 26 & 27 in this context:
26 I write this to you about those who would deceive you [John is concerned that they are being taught falsely].
27 but the anointing which you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that any one should teach you [because they have already been taught by John]; as his anointing teaches you about everything [that they have been taught], and is true, and is no lie, just as it has taught you, abide in him.
This is equivalent to the first promise Jesus made to the apostles. The Holy Spirit would bring to mind all the true teaching they had already received. That presupposes that they had already received true teaching. But you have to get that true teaching first. You cannot generate it from your own resources. You cannot reach the truth by starting from scratch, but only by receiving it from those who have already been taught it and can pass it on. Then when you are presented with false teaching, the Holy Spirit will bring to mind the truth that you have already been taught.
This where Martin Luther and the other reformers went wrong. They thought they could reject the teaching authority of the Church and start from scratch with just the Bible. And that is why Protestantism has fractured into thousands of denominations with many opposing doctrines. And this is where people still go wrong today.
There is no equivalent to Jesus's second promise to the apostles. He left them and their successors to be guided by the Holy Spirit into all truth in the future.
Nice try. I didn't create those definitions. Again: "Worship" is reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred. Clearly, Mary is worshiped. I don't care one whit what your personal definition is. It is reverent honor paid to a sacred personage, e.g., Mary! That is what Catholics do: they worship Mary as in "Hail Mary, mother of God, blessed art thou". "Bowing" is irrelevant.
Exodus 32:7-8, "The Lord said to Moses, “Go down at once! Your people, whom you brought up out of the land of Egypt, have acted perversely; they have been quick to turn aside from the way that I commanded them; they have cast for themselves an image of a calf and have worshiped it and sacrificed to it and said, ‘These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt!’ ” That is exactly what Catholics do with their statues of Mary!!
Jethro Bodine
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You don't even get it!
Jesus himself was deflecting undue exaltation of Mary.
"Blessed RATHER are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke 11:27
Now, given all this emphasis by the Catholic church on Mary's blessedness and, thus, the reason Catholics exalt her, let's talk about making a statue of me and parading it down the street since blessed rather are those like me who hear and obey the word of God, okay? Why not?
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