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It is only confusing if you leave out the existence of the Word.
God and the Word were one, but when the Word took on flesh they were separated in that sense of "oneness".
Jesus prayed to God, as He couldn't pray to Himself.
Jesus credited God with the miracles He did, because He couldn't credit Himself.
Jesus thanked God the Father, because He couldn't thank Himself.
Jesus didn't know the day off the end, as only the Father had that knowledge.
Jesus couldn't grant the seats on either side of Him to James and John, as He didn't have that authority.

The Father and the Son are different than the Father and the Word.

If the Word, who "was God" still existed, there would be a quadrinity instead of a trinity.
Yes, just as written in John 1.

This getting really weird.
I think I will leave it to wondering!
 
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I'm, not, but together with my fellow brothers and sisters of like spiritual mind we can discern the real truth.

You infallibly think so?

We have 2,000 years of great theologians but they all got it all wrong.
Only you and a few mates have the truth!
 
You made a comment yourself.
Jethro Bodine said Jesus was in two forms.
This is a heresy known as Nostroeticm (?)
On phone, can't look it up.

We start rationalizing the nature of Jesus.
As if He wasn't really God.

See my post 267 also.
I don't see how our perusal of the manifestation of the Word on earth in the flesh as Jesus, can diminish the nature of Jesus Christ.
I mean, we now have the same divine nature He had !
It isn't His nature that is being "rationalized", it is His origin.
BTW, the term "divinity" isn't even in the KJV of the bible.
 
So you have your own personal meaning of worship.



Bowing is not worship. Bowing is giving honour,

Abraham rose and bowed to the Hittites, the people of the land (Gen 23:7)
Was Abraham worship[ping the Hittites?

Then Abraham bowed down before the people of the land. (Gen 23:12)
Was Abraham worshipping the people of the land?

And Jonathan gave his weapons to his lad, and said to him, "Go and carry them to the city." And as soon as the lad had gone, David rose from beside the stone heap and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed three times; and they kissed one another, and wept with one another, until David recovered himself. (1Sam 20:40-41)
Was Jonathan worshipping David?

And they told the king, "Here is Nathan the prophet." And when he came in before the king, he bowed before the king, with his face to the ground. (1Kg 1:23)
Was Nathan worshipping the king?

So Bathsheba went to King Solomon, to speak to him on behalf of Adonijah. And the king rose to meet her, and bowed down to her (1Kg 2:19)
Was King Solomon worshipping Bathsheba?
Respect is one thing. We are to consider every man greater than ourselves.
But parading a statue of someone on a pedestal down the streets of the city and in the isles of the church is quite another.
 
Respect is one thing. We are to consider every man greater than ourselves.
But parading a statue of someone on a pedestal down the streets of the city and in the isles of the church is quite another.
in your personal and fallible opinion.
Oh, sorry. I forgot that you and your mates are infallible.
 
in your personal and fallible opinion.
Oh, sorry. I forgot that you and your mates are infallible.
If you can't see that making a statue of someone and lifting it up high and parading it through the streets is worship...well...what are we gonna do with you...?
 
If you can't see that making a statue of someone and lifting it up high and parading it through the streets is worship...well...what are we gonna do with you...?

Worship is something that happens in the heart.
Can you discern someone's heart?
 
No he doesn't
Yes he does.
Here:

1 John 2:27
27And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you.

Believers have the anointing to be able to discern the truth. You say we don't. I'm going with the scriptures on this one, thank you.
 
In your personal opinion
An opinion that is being shown more and more to be an educated and accurate opinion. An opinion that comes from the God-given discernment that every true believer has, if they'll just rely on it instead of relying on what someone else tells them is the truth.
 
Yes he does.
Here:

1 John 2:27
27And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you.

Believers have the anointing to be able to discern the truth. You say we don't. I'm going with the scriptures on this one, thank you.
A good example of where you go wrong.

This is a classic taking a verse out of context.

The Biblical way to hear the Good News was to hear it being preached not be reading a book and working it out oneself.

But how can they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how can they believe in him of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach?” (Rom 10:14).

All though Acts and Paul’s letters we hear about the word being preached.

This was not just for the apostolic age. Jesus says about the end times:
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come. (Mt 24:14)

John, who wrote the text we are considering, records two promises that Jesus made to the apostles at the Last Supper. This was his final talk to them before his death and resurrection. He had been teaching them for 3 years and was soon to send them out on mission to take the gospel into the world where they would be facing new situations and new challenges.

He makes them two promises.
Firstly about the past – all he has taught them.
But the Counsellor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. (Jn 14:26).

Secondly about the future – to guide them in new situations
When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. (Jn 16:13)

And we can see how this guiding happened in Acts 1 (the choosing of Matthias as a successor to Judas), and in Acts 15 (the Council of Jerusalem)

Now we move to John’s letter, chapter 2. He is writing to Christians who he personally has catechised, taught them everything, taught them the truth. He addresses them as “my children” (vs 1) and “beloved” (vs 7). However they are in danger of being led astray by false teachers. That is the context. And we need to start at vs 20 not 24 to get the immediate context

20. But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all know.
Footnotes say some manuscripts say “you know everything” instead of you all know.
They know because John has taught them.

21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it… [because John has taught them].

24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you[
what they have already been taught]. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you will abide in the Son and in the Father.

Now vs 26 & 27 in this context:
26 I write this to you about those who would deceive you [John is concerned that they are being taught falsely].

27 but the anointing which you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that any one should teach you [because they have already been taught by John]; as his anointing teaches you about everything [that they have been taught], and is true, and is no lie, just as it has taught you, abide in him.

This is equivalent to the first promise Jesus made to the apostles. The Holy Spirit would bring to mind all the true teaching they had already received. That presupposes that they had already received true teaching. But you have to get that true teaching first. You cannot generate it from your own resources. You cannot reach the truth by starting from scratch, but only by receiving it from those who have already been taught it and can pass it on. Then when you are presented with false teaching, the Holy Spirit will bring to mind the truth that you have already been taught.

This where Martin Luther and the other reformers went wrong. They thought they could reject the teaching authority of the Church and start from scratch with just the Bible. And that is why Protestantism has fractured into thousands of denominations with many opposing doctrines. And this is where people still go wrong today.

There is no equivalent to Jesus's second promise to the apostles. He left them and their successors to be guided by the Holy Spirit into all truth in the future.
 
So you have your own personal meaning of worship.



Bowing is not worship. Bowing is giving honour,

Abraham rose and bowed to the Hittites, the people of the land (Gen 23:7)
Was Abraham worship[ping the Hittites?

Then Abraham bowed down before the people of the land. (Gen 23:12)
Was Abraham worshipping the people of the land?

And Jonathan gave his weapons to his lad, and said to him, "Go and carry them to the city." And as soon as the lad had gone, David rose from beside the stone heap and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed three times; and they kissed one another, and wept with one another, until David recovered himself. (1Sam 20:40-41)
Was Jonathan worshipping David?

And they told the king, "Here is Nathan the prophet." And when he came in before the king, he bowed before the king, with his face to the ground. (1Kg 1:23)
Was Nathan worshipping the king?

So Bathsheba went to King Solomon, to speak to him on behalf of Adonijah. And the king rose to meet her, and bowed down to her (1Kg 2:19)
Was King Solomon worshipping Bathsheba?
Nice try. I didn't create those definitions. Again: "Worship" is reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred. Clearly, Mary is worshiped. I don't care one whit what your personal definition is. It is reverent honor paid to a sacred personage, e.g., Mary! That is what Catholics do: they worship Mary as in "Hail Mary, mother of God, blessed art thou". "Bowing" is irrelevant.

Exodus 32:7-8, "The Lord said to Moses, “Go down at once! Your people, whom you brought up out of the land of Egypt, have acted perversely; they have been quick to turn aside from the way that I commanded them; they have cast for themselves an image of a calf and have worshiped it and sacrificed to it and said, ‘These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt!’ ” That is exactly what Catholics do with their statues of Mary!!
 
Yes, so what?
How does that demonstrate your claims?
You don't even get it!
Jesus himself was deflecting undue exaltation of Mary.

"Blessed RATHER are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke 11:27

Now, given all this emphasis by the Catholic church on Mary's blessedness and, thus, the reason Catholics exalt her, let's talk about making a statue of me and parading it down the street since blessed rather are those like me who hear and obey the word of God, okay? Why not?
 
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