How is a biblical conflict solved?

[Mungo]

It is. You can deny it all you want but it has made sure it's distinctly organized and denominated away from all other organizations.

It is the church founded by Christ from which all others broke away.

 

[Mungo]

Like the office of the Pope? Where is that in the Bible?

The Primacy of Peter

Jesus Christ left no written legacy, no theology book, no catechism. Instead he founded a Church and he entrusted his teaching to twelve men who he had selected, were his constant companions during his years of ministry, and whom he specially trained to carry on his mission. One of these, Peter...

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[Mungo]

Jesus was our advocate with the Father, not the Father Himself.

I didn't suggest he was

Jesus was the propitiation for our sins, not Father.

I didn't suggest he was

If anything, He was man and the Word.
But He gave up being the Word when He took on skin and bones.
He isn't the Word anymore.

He was man and God, the second person of the Trinity, both fully human and full divine.

 

[Mungo]

Protestantism is what's left after breaking away from the falseness and corruption of the Catholic church. We've been making our way back toward to the real truth ever since. Not on an organizational level, as so many people like to box the church into, but on an individual basis, with true believers learning and discerning the truth for themselves through fellowship with the Word, the Holy Spirit, and like-minded seekers of truth.

But just like in the Catholic church, there is falseness and corruption outside of it, too, men seeking to box what it thinks is the truth into a convenient and recognizable and enduring organization. Oblivious to the fact that man does not need to do that. The church is alive and well in the hearts of all true believers devoted to their quest of non-denominational, non-institutionalized truth. And that church, the one and only true church, will exist and thrive and endure to the very end despite the efforts of men to denominate it (including the Catholic church), and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

That's fantasy.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

What is lacking in the teachings of the Prophets and the Apostles in the Bible that only the Catholic church can reveal to us?

All the things that are not written in scripture.
Scripture itself is very clear that not everything is written down in scripture (e.g. John 1:25, 2 John 1:12, 3John 1:13-14, 2Thess 2:15)

I want to know exactly what the Catholic church thinks some of those things are that are lacking in the teachings of the Prophets and the Apostles in the Bible that only the Catholic church can reveal to us.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You are just rycling a failed argument

But can you refute it?

I showed you John 2:20-27 says the Holy Spirit is the believer's discerner of truth:

20You, however, have an anointing* from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.
27And as for you, the anointing* you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing* teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.
1 John 2:20,27

*anointing

But you say it's the literal teachings of the Catholic church that the believer relies on to discern what is truth.

 

[donadams]

Being a Spiritually born again child of God baptized in the Baptism of Christ for the receiving of the Holy Spirit and fire, Matthew 3:11, does not make one a Catholic or a Protestant or any particular religion, but makes us one as being the body of Christ with He being the Spiritual head of the body, 1 Corinthians 12:12-31.

If you do not want to believe in the whole of scripture then you believe in none of it as you can not pick and choose the parts you like and reject the full counsel of God. The Roman Catholic Church is controlled by the Jesuit Society, Holy See and the Pope, but we who are Christ own with He in us and we in Him, 1 John 4:13, have freedom in Christ Jesus to believe what He has already taught us without others forcing their religious affiliations on us. Many only accept what a Priest or Pastor teaches them without searching the scriptures for themselves.

Christ is our faith in whom we trust and the foundation we stand on, not the Roman Catholic Church.

Explain how it is that Christ and his church are one? Acts 9:4 Jn 15:5 eph 5:32 lk 10:16 Jn 20:21 must hear the apostles/ church Matt 18:17 Church is an extension of Christ to all men all times

 

[donadams]

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15

 

[donadams]

Each post can only allow 10000 characters and after that amount the post is rejected automatically.

Under the old ToS under 2.6 it states - Please keep posts down to a respectable length and provide source and/or links for your info.

I know sometimes it takes a few paragraphs to explain certain Biblical things as even I do that many times, but when one comes in and list nothing more then a long list of scriptures then that is a bit much as there is no room for discussion. In the safe zones no one can edit their post, not even the staff, but reports can be made when there are violations of the ToS.

donadams we have asked you several times to comply with not making long post, but to break them up in a reasonable length so others can discuss with you. If you can not do this then your threads will be moved to the Unorthodox Christian Ideas forum. This is your last warning before any actions are taken against you.

Sorry I am trying to comply with the rules there is much info and insight to share, but I’ll break it up in different posts as you recommend thanks

 

[donadams]

The Holy Spirit leads all of us into all truths, John 14:26; 1John 2:27, beginning with the Disciples who were first called and anointed by the Holy Spirit that day in the upper room on the day of Pentecost when Jesus appeared to them.

The Prophets and the Apostles that wrote what God inspired them to write makes up the books of the Bible that Christians use to read and study from. But, they are all dead and gone now, but yet it is and has always been the Holy Spirit that works through those who have been equipped and anointed to teach others as we share those teachings throughout the word. There is a spirit of truth and a spirit of error, but what you bring are some truths, but yet the errors of the Roman Catholic Church that dictates their own doctrines. I know you do not see what is error in what you speak at times as you have been so doctrinated by the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church that your eyes have been blinded and can not see Spiritual truths that are set before you.

Christ is Eternal priest:

Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Christ is High priest:

Heb 7:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Low priests / priesthood:

There must be low priests in the same order for a high priest to be over them. And the word in scripture “priesthood” is plural.

God always establishes peace and by obedience to hierarchical authority!

There is a hierarchical authority in all that God has ordained!

The angelic kingdom:
The civil gov:
The church:
The family:

Acts 22:15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.

Acts 1:8 my witnesses

There is a big difference between the people, and the priesthood of Christ and the apostles!

Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matt 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, I send you. And Jn 17:18 I send you!

(The apostles with the same minisrty, power, and authority)

The apostles received the kingdom.
Lk 22:29

The apostles administer the kingdom. Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18

The apostles govern the church.
Matt 28:19-20

The apostles hold office.
Acts 1:15-20

The apostles have authority to forgive sins. Jn 20:23

Apostles are the light of the world!
Matt 5:14

Thanks

 

[donadams]

My point was, everything we do stems from our faith in Jesus. Whatever work we do is the result of our faith in him.

Why does Christ unite them in one?
Mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved
Thanks

 

[Mungo]

I want to know exactly what the Catholic church thinks some of those things are that are lacking in the teachings of the Prophets and the Apostles in the Bible that only the Catholic church can reveal to us.

Of course you do.
Then you can claim that it shows just how quickly the early church adopted false doctrines.
Moreover these men after the apostles weren't inspired unlike you and your mates who the Holy Spirit is leading into the truth after 2,000 years of error.
Don't waste my time.

 

[Mungo]

But can you refute it?

I showed you John 2:20-27 says the Holy Spirit is the believer's discerner of truth:

20You, however, have an anointing* from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.
27And as for you, the anointing* you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing* teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.
1 John 2:20,27

*anointing

But you say it's the literal teachings of the Catholic church that the believer relies on to discern what is truth.

I have already - see post #338.

 

[jaybo]

But she's the mother of our Lord.

Yes, but nothing more. When she and Jesus' brothers came to talk with Him, what was His reply?

Matthew 12:46-50, "While he was still speaking to the crowds, his mother and his brothers were standing outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Look, your mother and your brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” But to the one who had told him this, Jesus replied, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Clearly Mary was not regarded by Jesus as being anyone special. She was his mother who raised Him and had some influence on Him (e.g. the wedding at Cana) but exalting her beyond that is not scriptural.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I have already - see post #338.

I refuted that.

You have to explain why the Catholic church says it's the discerner of truth for a believer when John says it's the Holy Spirit.

 

[journeyman]

Why does Christ unite them in one?
Mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved
Thanks

Well, if we profess faith in our great Lord Jesus, we will be baptized.
Baptism, like the bread (his broken body) and the wine (his spilled blood), are symbolic of his sufferings. So Jesus said,

Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with Mt.20:23

Baptism and "the sacraments", like circumcision, are meaningless rituals without being one with Christ. Without being conformed to his image now.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Clearly Mary was not regarded by Jesus as being anyone special. She was his mother who raised Him and had some influence on Him (e.g. the wedding at Cana) but exalting her beyond that is not scriptural.

And that's where the Catholic church's rejection of scripture alone comes in handy.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Of course you do.
Then you can claim that it shows just how quickly the early church adopted false doctrines.
Moreover these men after the apostles weren't inspired unlike you and your mates who the Holy Spirit is leading into the truth after 2,000 years of error.
Don't waste my time.

This is the answer I expected. Even you know it doesn't look good for the Catholic church to say it believes certain things outside of scripture. It has to say that it has that ability to not be restricted by scripture to defend what it does and what it believes.

 

[jaybo]

Well, if we profess faith in our great Lord Jesus, we will be baptized.
Baptism, like the bread (his broken body) and the wine (his spilled blood), are symbolic of his sufferings. So Jesus said,

Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with Mt.20:23

Baptism and "the sacraments", like circumcision, are meaningless rituals without being one with Christ. Without being conformed to his image now.

The baptism that I am baptized with is His crucifixion.

 

[Mungo]

This is the answer I expected. Even you know it doesn't look good for the Catholic church to say it believes certain things outside of scripture. It has to say that it has that ability to not be restricted by scripture to defend what it does and what it believes.

This is the answer I expected.
You won't let go of your false sola scriptura doctrine even though I have shown you - from scripture - that it is false.
You don't even believe your own false doctrine.