Doesn't it also 'go without saying' that those bringing forth evil fruit are not reborn of God's seed ? (1 John 3:9-10)Of course. It goes without saying.
You should be, as sinners manifest with every sin that they have not repented of sin.I am saying no such thing.
If it is untrue, break the 'circle'.You are using circular reasoning by presuming that anyone who sins is not justified, reading that into the text, and then using it to conclude the same.
I will remind you of 1 John 3:10..."In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."But, that is not at all what John says. No writer in the NT says that. What they do clearly say, mostly implicitly but also explicitly, is that true believers, those who have repented, turned to Christ, and are justified, continue to struggle with sin until they are glorified.
James is illustrating that those born of God cannot manifest the devil's fruit.For example: Jas 3:1
Even James says that "we all stumble in many ways." "Stumble" is the Greek word ptaio, which means "to trip, that is, (figuratively) to err, sin, fail (of salvation): - fall, offend, stumble" (Strong's). He then goes on to define what he means by those believers who bless God and curse others. But, his whole point is that the tongue and the injury it can do is the reason why few should seek to "become teachers."
You can't get sweet and salty water from the same source.
The warnings are there so we don't slip back into darkness/sin.These sorts of warnings are all throughout the NT and are pointless if believers don't sin.
It would behoove all of us to take the warnings to heart.
If you could see that John is presenting two very different walks, you would see that men can only walk in God, who is the light, or in sin, which is darkness.Not at all. John clearly includes himself: 1Jn 1:1
Pick one and stay there !
He doubles down in 1 John 2:3-6..."And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."
Sinners don't know Him.
Sinners walk in darkness.
Sinners don't walk as He walked.
Quite the different circumstance from those walking in God-light.
The 'we' are those walking in need of repentance.As I have pointed out before, "we confess" is homologōmen, which is a verb in the form of present, subjunctive, active and is a first person plural. So, the first person plural is obvious--it's "we." But, the present, subjunctive, active indicates a command or wish that is to be an ongoing or habitual action to be performed by the "we." Also, "sins" is plural, which makes sense given that John tells all believers to continually confess.
Their sin manifests they are not walking in the light-God, that they don't know God, and are unrepentant.
John also presents the 'we' who walk in the light-God, in 1 John 2:3-6.
Both are prefaced with "IF".
"IF" we walk in one condition, here is the result.
"IF" we walk in the other condition, here is the result.
Choose wisely the course you will walk !
All of your study has resulted in a tolerance for sin, and justification for it.This can all be verified by doing some study on what John actually wrote, instead of simply relying on a given translation, although some translations bring this out.
I'll have none of it.
That is what you are inferring, with your continued refusal to believe man can walk in the light-God permanently.Start by looking at 1 John 1 here:
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_john/1.htm
And then look at Greek sources to find out what the mood, tense, voice, etc., all mean.
If you deny the above, your only option is to believe that John is telling unbelievers to continually confess their sins,
John is telling men how to leave the darkness-sin forever.
If we have been cleansed, and remain in the light-God, we won't be committing any sin.which doesn't make sense since John says that God "is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
And, we can say we know God, have fellowship with Him, and have no sin.
If they continue to manifest unrepentance from sin, they were never justified.If God forgives just one time and then unbelievers are justified, then John is wrong that God will forgive and cleanse them, because if they must continually confess, they would never be justified. Your position makes no sense of what John actually wrote.
Those walking in darkness will be damned.
If 'it' has happened, why does it need to keep happening ?Sanctification is stated to be both something that happened at a point in time and an ongoing process. Sinless perfection is a doctrine of the devil that ignores much of the NT. Sinless perfection will only happen at glorification.
To infer that being obedient to God all the time is a doctrine of the devil is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost who made perfect obedience to God possible by the death and resurrection of Christ.
You sure got that backwards.According to John, those who aren’t true believers are those “believers” who say they are without sin.
Your doctrine is without understanding.Such are self-deceived and without the truth; they make God a liar and do not have his word in them. Why? Because it is to deny the reality of their own sin; it is to sin but say that it isn’t sin. It is to say that God is wrong for calling their actions sinful.
It is a simple accommodation for sin, after Christ has already conquered it.
Context indeed.Context...
Again, context is not your friend; neither the immediate context, the greater context of 1 John, nor the context of Scripture. Case in point: 1 John 5:16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life—to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that.
The entire bible is about people rebelling against God and Him forgiving them.
Jesus terminated that scenario by remaining sinless while experiencing all that the world could throw at Him.
Jesus is my role model.
He could be yours too, if you would follow in His footsteps.