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[__ Science __ ] 125 Children Dead, 1K Disabled & 50K injured due to Covid-19 Vaccination in the USA

Before COVID people were trying to get the pro-vaccine community and medical community to see the obvious connections between some vaccines and autism, for example.
And this is precisely why those without relevant expertise should either leave VAERS alone, or ask someone with relevant expertise for their opinion on the data they are reading. Also, no link has ever been established between vaccines and autism, as far as I know. This is the problem when the majority of people simply don't understand research--what is good versus poor research, what conclusions can and can't be drawn from the findings, etc.

All of the parents vyving for this research, unbiased I might add.
That is a very different definition of "unbiased." First, these are parents, they are automatically going to be biased towards their children. Second, they believe there is a link between some vaccines and autism before going into VAERS.
 
No, that's false. What he said was that it gave some protection to the wearer, but better protection to people around the wearer. Which is true. Why do you think they wear masks in surgery?



That's what I said. He was asked there about wearing a mask to protect yourself. And as he says in your quote, it offers some protection. But mostly, as he said elsewhere, it's for protecting others.

You clearly overlooked the part where he said the masks they encouraged people to go out and buy at stores were ineffective in keeping out viruses. While yes, he was advising Ms. Burwell on whether or not to wear a mask for her own protection, he said in that email that masks in general were ineffective in keeping out virus infection. But of course, see it the way you want to see it while accusing me of doing the same. I mean I linked the article which later points out that after having that discussion in email, Fauci started acting like masks were effective in keeping out the virus as did the rest of pro-Maskers in the medical community and health advisors in government. Fauci even claimed wearing two masks was common sense and I quote:

"He told NBC News on January 25 that wearing two masks was "common sense.""

What it isn't, is a measure of how many people are adversely affected by the vaccine. You seem to get that now, but many antivaxxers are claiming it's a list of people harmed by the vaccine, which it is not. That's the hoax we're dealing with.

I never said that's what it was. But you ignore everything else and use that as a bludgeoning tool to poison vaccine adverse event reporting as somehow untrustworthy. I can also tell you didn't even glance at the things JLB posted.

You keep saying it isn't a list of people harmed, when it is. Even if there are some false reports in there, it includes accurate reports of people harmed. You've admitted this, but you keep making this false statement that it's not what it is. For crying out loud man, people report adverse events for vaccines they took.. The site reveals it's in their objectives:

https://vaers.hhs.gov/about.html

Objectives of VAERS​

The primary objectives of VAERS are to:
  • Detect new, unusual, or rare vaccine adverse events;
  • Monitor increases in known adverse events;
  • Identify potential patient risk factors for particular types of adverse events;
  • Assess the safety of newly licensed vaccines;
  • Determine and address possible reporting clusters (e.g., suspected localized [temporally or geographically] or product-/batch-/lot-specific adverse event reporting);
  • Recognize persistent safe-use problems and administration errors;
  • Provide a national safety monitoring system that extends to the entire general population for response to public health emergencies, such as a large-scale pandemic influenza vaccination program.
I can also tell you haven't looked at the data either, you seem to be just reciting news articles and such. Pulling up the data, I chose to test your argument and see how many reports of "hulks" were in there with a search in the database by just looking for the word "hulk" in the most recent 2022 database of VAERS reports. I found 1 and entry from May2022. I have to quote the portion in context because this was a long report that took up 3 pages after I pulled it out and put it in a Word Document, but here it is:

Some context, this individual claims that after 3.5 hours of their injection they started feeling heaviness crall up their body and felt heaviness weigh them down. The night went on and they had hot and cold flashes that went into the morning. The next day they had their menstrual period a week early. They go on to explain they felt extremely fatigued for the next week and after that thought they were getting better. Then started having cramps in their arm that moved across their chest and would cause breathlessness and tightness in the chest. They tried to avoid extraneous activities, hoping it would go away, but the tightness continued to move throughout their body, moving up toward their neck making them feel like something was wrong with their neck. This is where the so-called "hulk" transformation seems to be or the word is simply used which makes me think whomever you read it from, if it's this, took it out of context, and I quote, and sorry, it's still going to be a little long:

"One evening I experienced the worst migraine of my life. I have experienced many migraines before, and this was something entirely different. The pounding was so hard I was terrified that the end was upon me, and I did not even feel stable enough to get to the hospital. I asked my husband to bring children to me and silently said my goodbyes just in case. Almost three weeks in to this experience, I developed extreme pains in my chest that were also extremely exhausting, I felt like gravity was five times heavier than normal, and knew that something was deeply wrong. My ribs ached and I was in severe pain if I wore a bra. I then developed severe diarrhea and I could not eat anything at all. It?s like all of my saliva went dry and swallowing mechanism no longer knew how to work.. My arms were hulky looking, with the veins bulging out, my muscles ached, I had carpal tunnel and the thoracic outlet syndrome all acting up and making my arms go numb constantly through the night as I tried to sleep. It was disturbed and I was constantly awoken with feelings of doom and deep primal anxiety. I had a horrible burning feeling under my skin that felt like lava coursing through my veins all of the time, like the worst body aches of the worst flu ever. I was due for my next shot. 10 minutes before leaving for my appointment, I listened to the strongest feeling I've ever felt in my gut, cancel the appointment and called my doctor instead."

So, someone explaining what obviously sounds like their arms swelling is somehow them reporting transformation into the hulk?

I found report about a "lightning strike" also from a report received in the database in May 2022 and I quote:

"April 13, 2022 After a nearby lightning strike I found myself in Afib and went to the ER. I was given an IV medication to stabilize my heart rate around 05:00AM April 14th, 2022. I was admitted to the hospital on the 13th and then later the morning of April 14th I had an echo done that showed my efficiency factor was at 33%. Previous echos June 2021 showed 45% efficiency factor. I have been in touch with my doctors and have seen both PCP and cardiologists as well. For the time being I am treating this medicinally with Eliquis, spironolactone, and we will be doing a repeat echo and from there checking on efficiency factor if there is no improvement we will be discussing implantable devices."

So, contrary to how you seem to understand it, this person reported that their adverse event systems seem to start after a nearby lighting strike and that's all they were saying about the lightning strike.

I get it. Anything that's less than positive about this guy is, in your mind, a "hit piece." But it's all true. And at some point, you'll have to deal with it.

I didn't say that. I guess you don't know what a hit piece is. For someone who won't even listen to the man talk or read anything he actually said in proper context, you have the audacity to make this claim about me when I've listened to both sides. One side I've been pretty much forced to listen to over the past 2 years, and the other side I chose to listen to. You've only chose to listen to one side, obviously, and obviously chosen to villainize the other side.

Won't do him any good. They didn't lie about him. If it's true, it's not defamation.

And here again you fall back on your bias rather than be objective.

Funny how people who do that, never realize they are, um?

Yeah, funny, isn't it?

You're too invested in your own assumptions to deal with the data. We get that.

See above.

As I said, I'm moving on. You've proven to me twice now that you're not interested in an open discussion on this and will just quickly run to poisoning the well and attacking individuals who dissent against the prevailing thought on the subject, which has changed already by the way. But I'm sure that was because the science changed and all of that when the science remained the same even during the height of the COVID stuffs.
 
You clearly overlooked the part where he said the masks they encouraged people to go out and buy at stores were ineffective in keeping out viruses.
No, that's wrong. They are less effective, but because of Van der Waals forces and static electric effects, they do trap particules too small to be screened out. It's not like fish in a net.

The research team built a secured chamber with two mannequin heads facing each other. One head simulated coughing and expelled actual coronavirus particles. The other head simulated natural breathing, with a collection chamber in the airway to collect virus particles.

When the breathing mannequin had a cotton mask, it reduced transmission between 20% to 40%. An N95 mask blocked 80% to 90% of particles. When the coughing mannequin had a cotton or surgical mask, it reduced transmission by 50%, and the N95 blocked 90%.


You've only chosen to listen to the antivaxxer side, and obviously chosen to villainize the medical side.
As I said, I'm moving on.
Unfortunate that you don't even want to look at the data. But it's your choice. Like your assumptions about how masks work, being in the dark can cause serious harm. You're not interested in a serious discussion about this; you're just convinced you're right and ignore the actual data.

And the prevailing thought on recommendations has not changed. As you would have known, if you listened to both sides, the CDC said that recommendations could be relaxed when a majority of Americans had significant immunity to COVID-19. That is now the case, with most adults vaccinated. So the recommendations were relaxed, as the CDC said they would be.

You were lied to about that, as well. And they taught you to avoid the science by labeling anything they didn't want you to read, as "hit pieces."
 
And this is precisely why those without relevant expertise should either leave VAERS alone, or ask someone with relevant expertise for their opinion on the data they are reading.

I never said the people saying vaccines injured them never did that. It's a large assumption by pro-vaxxers that anti-vaxxers don't have any medical professionals on their side when they do.

Also, no link has ever been established between vaccines and autism, as far as I know.

Hmmmm...
A recent study has concluded that there is outcome-reporting biases in various vaccine studies regarding vaccine injuries. Here's the study: https://www.cureus.com/articles/110...onsensus-can-impede-progress-in-public-health.

I quote the first few lines of the conclusion:
"This study examined several examples of outcome-reporting biases that are found in many vaccine studies. Conflicts of interest (e.g., financial) that abound between the FDA, CDC (or foreign entities such as the Danish Staten Serum Institut), and the pharmaceutical industry impact what is ultimately reckoned as medical orthodoxy or scientific consensus. Moreover, regulatory agencies seemingly attempt to control the narrative that vaccines are "safe and effective" through their funding or sponsorship of selective studies that often lack data transparency and, in some cases, cross bioethical boundaries. Where vaccine study data are available, independent researchers experience an astonishing level of censorship by medical journal editors who deny publication when outcome reporting bias in the original published studies is exposed and reanalysis leads to conclusions contrary to the medical consensus. This conduct, as well as the outcome reporting bias that is inherent to all researchers to some degree, obscures medical and scientific truth."

Just saying....

Also, want to point out that I just used autism off of the top of the head as one example that people using VAERS has been going on long before COVID. Vaccine injuries has been going on long before COVID. There's an entire Vaccine injury court funded by the United States government in which they pay out money to vaccine injured.

This is the problem when the majority of people simply don't understand research--what is good versus poor research, what conclusions can and can't be drawn from the findings, etc.

I went to school for theology, have a graduate degree in Biblical Studies and studying the Greek and Hebrew languages, etc. I went to school for Art, Design, and computers. While I don't understand all of the technical jargon, often times have to get a dictionary or look it up on the interwebs, reading a science based journal like above, was always something you do to write papers or do research. Reading through the VAERS database as I just did in reply to Barbarian, isn't that difficult. You don't need to understand everything to read the reports and see that they said they had a vaccine and then this happened. Of course, that's surface level, more research that the average person isn't capable of doing would determine if the symptoms the person is suffering is attributed to the vaccination they received.

That is a very different definition of "unbiased." First, these are parents, they are automatically going to be biased towards their children. Second, they believe there is a link between some vaccines and autism before going into VAERS.

See above.
 
Unfortunate that you don't even want to look at the data. But it's your choice. Like your assumptions about how masks work, being in the dark can cause serious harm. You're not interested in a serious discussion about this; you're just convinced you're right and ignore the actual data.

Did I not just quote to you two reports in the VAERS data???????
 
No, that's wrong. They are less effective, but because of Van der Waals forces and static electric effects, they do trap particules too small to be screened out. It's not like fish in a net.

The research team built a secured chamber with two mannequin heads facing each other. One head simulated coughing and expelled actual coronavirus particles. The other head simulated natural breathing, with a collection chamber in the airway to collect virus particles.

When the breathing mannequin had a cotton mask, it reduced transmission between 20% to 40%. An N95 mask blocked 80% to 90% of particles. When the coughing mannequin had a cotton or surgical mask, it reduced transmission by 50%, and the N95 blocked 90%.

I mean I cited Fauci's own words. I'm not sure what you're actually objecting to and saying that I got wrong. He said and I quote again, 'The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material."

So what exactly are you saying that's "wrong," I go to the researchers: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817.

I quote the conclusion of this study: "The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use. The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection."

Brownstone has a list of the studies and their conclusions, I'll just link this instead of going through them all: https://brownstone.org/articles/mor...d-articles-on-mask-ineffectiveness-and-harms/.

It shows that masks did not control the virus as masks were "not really effective in keeping out virus" (Fauci's words) and yet it didn't change that he and his staff encouraged the nation to take on mask mandates.

Again, not really sure what you're objecting to.
 
An argument based on some sort of "gotcha" moment is not very effective.
Fauci has repeatedly encouraged people to wear masks once the pandemic was in full force. Some emails where he said "...not really effective..." isn't a good foundation to build a case Fauci walked back claims about masks.

Like Fauci's emails showing he knew masks were pointless
The email doesn't support the claim masks are pointless.
Not really effective doesn't mean no effect. Pointless.
Even if masks are less than 50% effective that's something. It's not pointless.
 
An argument based on some sort of "gotcha" moment is not very effective.

First, that's not what it was. I said many in the medical community walked back claims they openly supported during the height of the COVID stuff. Barbarian chose to single in on Fauci and that's why we ended up in that back in forth only about Fauci.

Fauci has repeatedly encouraged people to wear masks once the pandemic was in full force. Some emails where he said "...not really effective..." isn't a good foundation to build a case Fauci walked back claims about masks.

The email doesn't support the claim masks are pointless.
Not really effective doesn't mean no effect. Pointless.
Even if masks are less than 50% effective that's something. It's not pointless.

Fair enough on using the word pointless. I was just speaking in conversation at that time. But let's be real, for those that still got infected despite using masks, and I listed the Brownstone study list which has plenty of evidence that it happen, wearing masks were pointless to them. For those that got infected by people who wore masks, again the whole mask thing was pointless for them.

Also, to try to say that Fauci openly supporting mask mandates despite admitting to a colleague that masks weren't that effective at stopping virus infection doesn't support the claim that Fauci was being consistent isn't really being objective about it.

But again, that's not the only thing Fauci has been caught in doing it was the only thing I choose to list in summation in response to Barbarian and it's not the only thing I listed overall about walk backs from what was the prevailing thought under the height of COVID. It's the only thing Barbarian chose to zero in on, but I'm not inclined right now to go through a list of anything else because it seems all that will happen is running to already untrustworthy news reporting that spins it the other way while accusing me of doing that.
 
I mean I cited Fauci's own words. I'm not sure what you're actually objecting to and saying that I got wrong. He said and I quote again, 'The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material."
It's not really effective in keeping out virus. As he says, it can do a little in that regard. As Dr. Fauci noted, it's better at keeping virus in. That's why he said that masking protects other people more than it protects the wearer.
But let's be real, for those that still got infected despite using masks, and I listed the Brownstone study list which has plenty of evidence that it happen, wearing masks were pointless to them.
Which is like saying we shouldn't wear seatbelts because sometimes people wearing them get hurt in accidents anyway. Hard to believe anyone really thinks like that, but I guess they do.
Also, to try to say that Fauci openly supporting mask mandates despite admitting to a colleague that masks weren't that effective at stopping virus infection
As you now realize, he said that it didn't protect the wearer as as much as it protects others. Which has been repeatedly demonstrated to be true. Would you like to see that?

But again, that's not the only thing Fauci has been caught in doing it was the only thing I choose to list in summation in response to Barbarian and it's not the only thing I listed overall about walk backs from what was the prevailing thought under the height of COVID.
The antivaxxers were saying the relaxation of recommendations was a walk-back,too. But as you see, it wasn't that at all. CDC predicted that they could be relaxed once most Americans had some immunity. Is there anything left that they really did walk back?

Can you name one thing? Since it was a newly-evolved virus there must be something. But you don't seem to be able to name even one thing.
 
Did I not just quote to you two reports in the VAERS data???????
As you know, the VAERS recordkeepers themselves say that the reports therein are not reliable measures of vaccine safety. That's just the way it is. Would you like me to show you that, again?
 
You clearly overlooked the part where he said the masks they encouraged people to go out and buy at stores were ineffective in keeping out viruses.
He said they were less effective at keeping out viruses than in keeping viruses in. As he said, they were more effective at protecting other people than in protecting the wearer. Would you like to see some research on that?
 
Not sure why you keep repeating yourself when it doesn't really change anything I said. I quoted VAERs based on your claim about "transformation into hulk" and "lightning strike" reports and showed my findings. I can't have a dialogue with someone who doesn't even look at what I'm saying other than picking and choosing the things they want to address, but I was told I was the one doing "gotcha" points. I'm moving on for real now as I said it doesn't look like this is a topic for honest, open, objective discussion.
 
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Not sure why you keep repeating yourself when it doesn't really change anything I said. I quoted VAERs based on your claim about "transformation into hulk" and "lightning strike" reports and showed my findings. I can't have a dialogue with someone who doesn't even look at what I'm saying other than picking and choosing the things they want to address, but I was told I was the one doing "gotcha" points. I'm moving on for real now as I said it doesn't look like this is a topic for honest, open, objective discussion.

Thanks for your input here in this community.



God bless you.




JLB
 
Just showing you the facts. Those aren't going to change. Reality is funny that way.

The fact is you are promoting a “vaccine“ made up of genetically modified organisms, and it’s is destroying lives.


 
As you know, the VAERS recordkeepers themselves say that the reports therein are not reliable measures of vaccine safety. That's just the way it is. Would you like me to show you that, again?

Just showing you the facts. Those aren't going to change. Reality is funny that way.

The fact is you are promoting a “vaccine“ made up of genetically modified organisms, and it’s is destroying lives.

I know you want to believe that. But as you've seen, the vaccine has saved millions of lives. Why not just accept the reality?
 
As you know, the VAERS recordkeepers themselves say that the reports therein are not reliable measures of vaccine safety. That's just the way it is. Would you like me to show you that, again?

Just showing you the facts. Those aren't going to change. Reality is funny that way.



I know you want to believe that. But as you've seen, the vaccine has saved millions of lives. Why not just accept the reality?

This is why so many are dying and injured from the vaccine that you are wholeheartedly pushing on your brothers and sisters in Christ.

Genetically modified organisms!


 
This is why so many are dying and injured from the vaccine that you are wholeheartedly pushing on your brothers and sisters in Christ.

As you learned, the data do not support your assumption. Would you like me to show you again?
 
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