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Angels Do Not Have Sex

I've asked two questions. 1.) Who is Anak? Man or angel?
-AND- 2.) Please show the scripture that states Nephilim must have angelic fathers.

I wonder how long you searched for the translation that said it that way? What translation did you use for your "proof text", by the way? I'm guessing "Youngs Literal"??

Here's the Hebrew: nĕphiyl ben Anak nĕphiyl

We know the word 'ben' means son or sons. The word nĕphiyl is sometimes translated giant, sometimes mighty men. You're hanging your entire doctrine dogmatically on this? By the way, the spies who reported failed to mention angels or their progeny. The rebellious children didn't mention angels when they complained. They didn't say, "Now we have to fight the sons of angels!" Had that been the case I would have thought it would be worthy of mention, wouldn't you? Clearly they were fighting men. The fact that some of the men were also called nephilim argues against your conclusion. Anak was human. So were his sons.

If you are familiar with my post's, 99% of the translation I use is NKJV.

There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight." NKJV

And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. KJV


JLB
 
I answered your question.


JLB
And I've heard it before. You want me to believe that God's holy angels had sexual intercourse with human women. You're discourse falls short of being convincing except to those already convinced.

You've constructed your argument around the phrase 'sons of God' being exclusive to angels. You've stated that Adam was a son of God but that his children were called "sons of men".

Adam fell from grace. He didn't have offspring until after he sinned. You know this. Why does it stumble you to find that believers are also called sons of God?
 
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And I've heard it before. You want me to believe that God's holy angels had sexual intercourse with human women. You're discourse falls short of being convincing except to those already convinced.

4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;

Would you at least consider that Gods holy angels were cast down to hell and delivered in chains of darkness?

Never mind what for, just that they were cast down to hell.

I ask you to consider this.


JLB
 
No. Just like Adam (who sinned) and technically lost his title 'son of God' (except that Jesus redeemed him) so also did the angels lose their ability to be declared HOLY when they rebelled. Holy means apart from sin. God is Holy. We are told to be holy because He is.

I can agree with, "Gods holy angels were cast down to hell and delivered in chains of darkness." There are fallen angels, yes.
 
No. Just like Adam (who sinned) and technically lost his title 'son of God' (except that Jesus redeemed him) so also did the angels lose their ability to be declared HOLY when they rebelled. Holy means apart from sin. God is Holy. We are told to be holy because He is.

I can agree with, "Gods holy angels were cast down to hell and delivered in chains of darkness." There are fallen angels, yes.


These angels were not Lucifer and the one third of the angels, but these were holy angels that were cast down to hell.

What was their sin?


JLB
 
Let's examine your question first. You have a habit of including your conclusion in your questions. Show me in Scripture where they were "holy angels" that were cast down.
 
.For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5

Direct reference to Noah and the flood!

You can say, no that doesn't mean that... all you want but the truth is and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, is a direct reference to the flood and Noah and those days.


JLB

If these angels are being so directly related to Noah's time then why do you think the translators of the text you quoted use a semicolon between the angel example and Noah's example AND Sodom's example.

It is a list of three examples is the reason.

And anytime a verse starts with a "for" you might want to step back and see what the verse is there "for".

It's evident you read my post about as thoroughly as you have 2 Peter 2 (the whole chapter at least). I never said that the reference to Noah is not linked to the ancient world. They appear inside the semicolons in the sentence which you only quote a portion of.
 
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Yes it is. Which is why ripping a verse or two out of it's context leads you to this erroneous interpretation of what Peter is saying in 2 Peter 2.

Peter is right in the middle of giving his readers a walk thru the history of God's wrath throughout all creation. He lists three examples as three separate events in history:

1. When Satan and his demons rebelled and "fell".

2. Noah's flood.

3. Sodom's destruction





No he doesn't. He links three examples of God's wrath upon evil doers. Then gives Lot's rescue as an example of God's mercy upon the righteous.

2 Peter 2:1-7 But there were also false prophets among the people, as there will be false teachers among you also, who will bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, thus bringing on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their licentious ways, because of whom the way of truth will be reviled. And in greediness they will exploit you with false words, whose condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. For if God did not spare the angels who sinned,[1st wrath example] but held them captive in Tartarus with chains of darkness and handed them over to be kept for judgment, and did not spare the ancient world[2nd Wrath example], but preserved Noah, a proclaimer of righteousness, and seven others when he brought a flood on the world of the ungodly, and condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction [3rd Wrath example], reducing them to ashes, having appointed them as an example for those who are going to be ungodly, and rescued righteous Lot [1st rescue example], worn down by the way of life of lawless persons in licentiousness

Good post


No he doesn't.

Just as Peter did (even using many of the same phrases), Jude gives three examples of God's wrath, not two examples of improper sex. Except Jude walks them backwards from Peter's examples. Starting with God's rescue of Moses' Israel from Egypt, then their punishment for denying their Master then angels then S&G.

Jude 1:4-7 For certain men have slipped in stealthily, who were designated long ago for this condemnation, ungodly ones, who change the grace of our God into licentiousness and who deny our only Master and Lord Jesus Christ. Now I want to remind you, although you know everything once and for all, that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt,[rescue example] the second time destroyed those who did not believe. [1st wrath example]And the angels who did not keep to their own domain but deserted their proper dwelling place, he has kept in eternal bonds under deep gloom for the judgment of the great day,[2nd wrath example] as Sodom and Gomorrah [3rd example] ,and the towns around them indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire in the same way as these are exhibited as an example by undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

"in the same way as these " means these are three examples of God's wrath, not examples of Serpent Seed Scriptures.
 
Let's examine your question first. You have a habit of including your conclusion in your questions. Show me in Scripture where they were "holy angels" that were cast down.

No thanks.

But it is an issue critical to the subject of our conversation. Job did indeed use the term 'sons of God' to refer to God's holy angels. But he did not include Satan who was mentioned separately. "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them." (Job 1:6)

You seem to think that holy includes sin such as fornication?!? How can this be?
What was their sin?

JLB

Their sin is the same thing that Peter and Jude accuse false prophets of. Hubris is the proud overstepping of boundaries.

Earlier in this very thread you've asked others to consider that the terms 'sons of God' and 'daughters of men' refer to different species. One sec... I'll fetch your request:


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Man can not beget a son of God.

Angels are referred to as sons of God.


Please consider that the term, sons of God and daughters of men are a contrast of species.

JLB

But JLB?? Even in the animal kingdom there are no examples of different species being able to produce fertile offspring. Yet, you want others to believe that two entirely different species, one being 'holy angels' and the other being 'human women" can mate?

The term "sons of God" may be used to identify believers. Contrasting this also know that the term "son of the devil" may be used to identify non-believers. Jesus spoke to the Pharisees about their lineage because they followed their father, the devil. "Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father." This is not a literal mating between Satan and the mothers of the Pharisee's. But you don't need me to tell you this.

How can you say that angels who fornicate with women are 'sons of God'? It makes no sense.
 
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From what I can figure out the Nephilim were a race of giants who did acts of great evil.Their size possibly came from a mixture of demonic "DNA" with human genetics.They were not aliens but were literal beings.
 
When I ask the Lord to give patience to the contributors to this thread and give us wisdom, I also tell Him that only He knows the truth of this matter.

We may have to content ourselves to asking Him when we see him.
 
From what I can figure out the Nephilim were a race of giants who did acts of great evil.Their size possibly came from a mixture of demonic "DNA" with human genetics.They were not aliens but were literal beings.
No Kathi' demons and humans do not mate.
 
Nephilim are described as people, they are not described as half-human or as demons.

[URL='http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+6%3A1-8&version=ESV']Genesis 6:1-8

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When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown. The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+13:30-33&version=ESV
Numbers 13:30-33

But Caleb quieted the people before Moses and said, “Let us go up at once and occupy it, for we are well able to overcome it.” Then the men who had gone up with him said, “We are not able to go up against the people, for they are stronger than we are.” So they brought to the people of Israel a bad report of the land that they had spied out, saying, “The land, through which we have gone to spy it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people that we saw in it are of great height. And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”
 
Just for fun why
Nephilim are described as people, they are not described as half-human or as demons.
Genesis 6:1-8
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+13:30-33&version=ESV
When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown. The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Numbers 13:30-33

But Caleb quieted the people before Moses and said, “Let us go up at once and occupy it, for we are well able to overcome it.” Then the men who had gone up with him said, “We are not able to go up against the people, for they are stronger than we are.” So they brought to the people of Israel a bad report of the land that they had spied out, saying, “The land, through which we have gone to spy it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people that we saw in it are of great height. And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”
Common sense against the sinsationalism of angels having sex...
 
That is what I want to say.That is what makes sense. :shrug


The scriptures don't mention demons.

The sons of God are angels that have the liberty to appear as men.

To minister to those who are heirs of salvation.

They can appear on earth as men, and function like men, such as eat food and drink.

Many have entertained angels unaware, because they did not know they were angels.

Please consider what Peter wrote -

For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5

Peter associated the angels that sinned with Noah and flood.

The scripture you referred to from Jude, associates these angels with sexual immorality -

6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 6-7


It was during this time of being out of their own abode, and while they had left their proper domain, that these angels committed this sin, by going after "strange flesh".

Not while they were in heaven or in the spirit realm.

But when they had manifested into this domain as men.

JLB
 
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