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Angels Do Not Have Sex
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She was having relations with five men
JLB states:
We have some speculation from our Members suggesting that angels had sex with women around the time of the flood and thereafter. They say that if the Lord didn't expressly state what happened exactly their guess is (must be) true. The reality of the situation is that the Lord did not precisely say any such thing. The topic isn't discussed at all unless we force a narrow definition to an obscure term, seldom used.
The term "sons of God" may refer to God's holy angels. That's how it was used by Job. It is more often used in reference to believers in both the old and new testaments. When we turn to Genesis to look at why the earth was flooded, we see that it was the wickedness of man that provoked God. When we look at the new testament to get a clue we see that Peter and Jude gave warnings about false prophets both in their time and ours (not angels).
agua's suggests that the idea he fancies could have been common knowledge in Peter's day but we somehow forgot or began to disregard what Peter supposedly knew as truth. But Peter knew there would be false prophets in his day and in ours. He doesn't mention angels except in context of "For if God spared not ..." Despite JLB's insistence that angels were condemned for having sexual relations, Peter's admonishment is that we use care while dealing with "dignitaries" (a reference to angels). One of the characteristics that both Peter and Jude point to while describing the habits and characteristics of false prophets is that they speak evil of dignitaries but angels themselves do not bring railing accusations against them.
Let's face it. We don't know everything and regarding some subjects we know very, very little. We are asked, "Know you not that you shall judge angels?" -- but that time is not yet come. The mistake being made is called "Binary Thinking" and it is a trap that seeks to position brother against brother. There is no "I'm right and you're wrong" here. Who knows what happened precisely? God does. We have his word that He shall resolve the conflict. It's best to remember that we are not striving against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers. Our resolve comes from God and it is my prayer that all here are blessed and sustained by His joy over each of us.
I know that each party seeks to please the Lord and have no problem wishing them Godspeed in this.
We have some speculation from our Members suggesting that angels had sex with women around the time of the flood and thereafter. They say that if the Lord didn't expressly state what happened exactly their guess is (must be) true. The reality of the situation is that the Lord did not precisely say any such thing. The topic isn't discussed at all unless we force a narrow definition to an obscure term, seldom used.
The term "sons of God" may refer to God's holy angels. That's how it was used by Job. It is more often used in reference to believers in both the old and new testaments. When we turn to Genesis to look at why the earth was flooded, we see that it was the wickedness of man that provoked God. When we look at the new testament to get a clue we see that Peter and Jude gave warnings about false prophets both in their time and ours (not angels).
agua's suggests that the idea he fancies could have been common knowledge in Peter's day but we somehow forgot or began to disregard what Peter supposedly knew as truth. But Peter knew there would be false prophets in his day and in ours. He doesn't mention angels except in context of "For if God spared not ..." Despite JLB's insistence that angels were condemned for having sexual relations, Peter's admonishment is that we use care while dealing with "dignitaries" (a reference to angels). One of the characteristics that both Peter and Jude point to while describing the habits and characteristics of false prophets is that they speak evil of dignitaries but angels themselves do not bring railing accusations against them.
Let's face it. We don't know everything and regarding some subjects we know very, very little. We are asked, "Know you not that you shall judge angels?" -- but that time is not yet come. The mistake being made is called "Binary Thinking" and it is a trap that seeks to position brother against brother. There is no "I'm right and you're wrong" here. Who knows what happened precisely? God does. We have his word that He shall resolve the conflict. It's best to remember that we are not striving against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers. Our resolve comes from God and it is my prayer that all here are blessed and sustained by His joy over each of us.
I know that each party seeks to please the Lord and have no problem wishing them Godspeed in this.
Which term is obscure?
The only sons of God mentioned at all in the OT where a reference to angels.
Plain and clear!
The term son of God is a clear reference to the offspring of God, one who is born of God directly.
There is no human that can reproduce a son of God.
This is why the New Testament writers referred to them as angels because this was not and obscure term.
JLB
Blessed are the peacemakers. JLB - you've asked that the Lord bless me. I ask this same thing for you. Is it strange to find that the Lord draws us closer to each other even in those times we disagree? Not so much. We marvel at him! Together.
All this 'debate' and re-hashing. I know you understand me and that you're capable of seeing what is being said. Do you know that you are in my prayers? I suspect the same could be said by you about me. Thank you. The Lord sees the hidden things and will reward each.
stovebolts
Member
Wow, a year later and this is still an active discussion on the board. Amazing... But I do wonder how much better this world would be if we put half as much effort into becoming more like Jesus...
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
Amen, what a great thought!
Please share with us the effort that we must put forth to become like Jesus.
Thanks JLB
stovebolts
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Nice assessment Sparrow but I'd like you to clear something up for me if that's ok. Are you suggesting that people who take the Angel sexual sin position are "speaking evil of dignitaries" and therefor fall into this sin of the false prophets ?
stovebolts
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Yeah, it wouldn't be fruitful anyway would it?
Matthew 10:14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.
John 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
I was very careful to try to not suggest that of any of our Members. But don't concern yourself with what I've said or haven't said. The fact that we are admonished by the Holy Spirit to use care speaks for itself, does it not?
StoveBolts you know that part of our concern (both sides) is to bring the truth as best we can, not for our own benefit, or for 'bragging rights' but also because there are many here who may be undecided. One of the benefits of listening and discussing things with others that don't agree is that we can discover the flaws of our own positions.
When I was first exposed to these ideas I thought it was heresy and I wanted to delete the posts that mentioned the subject. Delete with extreme prejudice. But then, a brother spoke to me. He knew it was a very sensitive subject and when I asked he allowed me the time it took for me to consider and get past my prejudice. I asked him, "Please don't talk to me about this any more..." and he respected my request.
During that time I heard others speak. One mentioned that this conversation was not to be considered "Serpent Seed" because it didn't involve Eve at all. It took me some time to adjust and allow for others to think differently on the matter. I remember trying to prove that the whole concept was wrong and praying about it. What I heard back in my spirit as I prayed was a concern, not about angels, but about brothers who feel strongly about such things. The Lord does not want brothers to fight. Cain is one of the examples that Peter and Jude use.
I've asked him, "Why, Lord?" <---- meaning, "Why can't I find a definitive rebuttal so that I might disprove this absurdity?"
It takes me a long time sometimes but if you look to the post just above my Post #527, there may be a clue. There are some very strong personalities on this board. We are joined together by the strongest personality of them all, Jesus, who withstood every pressure to conform and spoke the truth in kindness, denying himself and putting God first in the most ultimate sense.
It's HIM we all strive to become more and more like. His mind. Our trials will indeed be called our chiefest joy! It is the trial of our belief that builds endurance, and I think that it's a thing for His Body that is being done here. Not me. Not you. Our Jesus. And I know of no better reason to bear long with one another than that.
Let it be, Jesus. Accomplish your work in us.
When I was first exposed to these ideas I thought it was heresy and I wanted to delete the posts that mentioned the subject. Delete with extreme prejudice. But then, a brother spoke to me. He knew it was a very sensitive subject and when I asked he allowed me the time it took for me to consider and get past my prejudice. I asked him, "Please don't talk to me about this any more..." and he respected my request.
During that time I heard others speak. One mentioned that this conversation was not to be considered "Serpent Seed" because it didn't involve Eve at all. It took me some time to adjust and allow for others to think differently on the matter. I remember trying to prove that the whole concept was wrong and praying about it. What I heard back in my spirit as I prayed was a concern, not about angels, but about brothers who feel strongly about such things. The Lord does not want brothers to fight. Cain is one of the examples that Peter and Jude use.
I've asked him, "Why, Lord?" <---- meaning, "Why can't I find a definitive rebuttal so that I might disprove this absurdity?"
It takes me a long time sometimes but if you look to the post just above my Post #527, there may be a clue. There are some very strong personalities on this board. We are joined together by the strongest personality of them all, Jesus, who withstood every pressure to conform and spoke the truth in kindness, denying himself and putting God first in the most ultimate sense.
It's HIM we all strive to become more and more like. His mind. Our trials will indeed be called our chiefest joy! It is the trial of our belief that builds endurance, and I think that it's a thing for His Body that is being done here. Not me. Not you. Our Jesus. And I know of no better reason to bear long with one another than that.
Let it be, Jesus. Accomplish your work in us.
Amen.
With that note lets all consider that for the Church to teach its new converts that sons of men are capable of begetting sons of God, through intercourse with women, is false.
We are to beget sons of God through the Gospel, allowing people to hear the truth and be born again, not of corruptible seed but by the incorruptible word of God.
Not of the flesh or the will of man but by the will of God through the eternal Spirit.
For flesh gives birth to flesh and The Spirit gives birth to spirit.
So, let's show the truth, that a son of God is a person that is begotten of God, not man.
A son of God is also a being created by God Himself, such as angels or such as Adam.
This foundational truth should be enough to show the clear distinction between the sons of God and the daughters of men.
JLB
Lol - I know a Scripture that spells out (precisely) what are termed "foundational" doctrines. Just a moment, I'll find it. Do you think the JLB Angel Sexuality Teaching will be listed?By the way, I have two sons. Both are mine. Both are 'ben Sparrow' (sons of Sparrow). Both are also ben 'elohiym (sons of God). They both confess Jesus. Neither may be considered Christian for anything that I've done apart from the Holy Spirit. They have had and continue to have the same options for becoming sons of God as anybody else and I've never taught that I (or any other man) could beget sons of God. That's the job of the Holy Spirit.
Here the Scripture-based doctrines I promised. It details several elementary (foundational) doctrines:
- Repentance from acts that lead to death,
- Faith in God,
- Instruction about cleansing rites,
- The laying on of hands,
- The resurrection of the dead,
- and eternal judgment.
- See appendix A, section B-7 for the JLB Angel Sex Ed 101 teachings
John 1:12 speaks of the power to become sons of God in no uncertain terms. This power is given even to those who believe on the Name of Jesus.
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By the way, I have two sons. Both are mine. Both are 'ben Sparrow' (sons of Sparrow). Both are also ben 'elohiym (sons of God). They both confess Jesus. Neither may be considered Christian for anything that I've done apart from the Holy Spirit. They have had and continue to have the same options for becoming sons of God as anybody else and I've never taught that I (or any other man) could beget sons of God. That's the job of the Holy Spirit.
Here the Scripture-based doctrines I promised. It details several elementary (foundational) doctrines:
One of the doctrines listed above is not like the others. Can you find it?
- Repentance from acts that lead to death,
- Faith in God,
- Instruction about cleansing rites,
- The laying on of hands,
- The resurrection of the dead,
- and eternal judgment.
- See appendix A, section B-7 for the JLB Angel Sex Ed 101 teachings
John 1:12 speaks of the power to become sons of God in no uncertain terms. This power is given even to those who believe on the Name of Jesus.
Again sir, you refuse my question.
Can a man (son of man) and a women
( daughter of man) reproduce a son of God through natural child birth?
Please answer this question with an honest yes or no, regardless of your predjudice against me or this doctrine.
Yes or no?
Your repeated demand sounds more and more like rhetoric to me.
I have already answered your question just two posts above.
Quote: I have never taught that I (or any other man) could beget sons of God. I was talking about my two natural sons and stated, "Neither may be considered Christian for anything that I've done apart from the Holy Spirit."
The Bible clearly describes what happened in Genesis and what brought on the flood. Sons of God (ben 'elohiym) fathered the mighty men (nĕphiyl). That's true. But that's not all we see. In that same context we find the reason that the earth was flooded. God told us exactly. He was grieved in heart for "GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (Gen 6:5)
You've ignored the context and found a reference that specifically speaks of angels as also being sons of God and want to insist that the Holy Spirit is limited by your narrowed understanding. There is more to the phrase "sons of God" (ben 'elohiym) than angels, but, and again, you know this already. The term 'elohiym is found more than 2,500 times in the old testament. You can check, but I'm pretty sure.
You ask, "Can a man (son of man) and a women (daughter of man) reproduce a son of God through natural child birth?"
I answer: "God alone is Good! There is none like Him."
I ask, "Can God accomplish His will without involving angel sex?" No need to answer. We already know.
I have already answered your question just two posts above.
Quote: I have never taught that I (or any other man) could beget sons of God. I was talking about my two natural sons and stated, "Neither may be considered Christian for anything that I've done apart from the Holy Spirit."
The Bible clearly describes what happened in Genesis and what brought on the flood. Sons of God (ben 'elohiym) fathered the mighty men (nĕphiyl). That's true. But that's not all we see. In that same context we find the reason that the earth was flooded. God told us exactly. He was grieved in heart for "GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (Gen 6:5)
You've ignored the context and found a reference that specifically speaks of angels as also being sons of God and want to insist that the Holy Spirit is limited by your narrowed understanding. There is more to the phrase "sons of God" (ben 'elohiym) than angels, but, and again, you know this already. The term 'elohiym is found more than 2,500 times in the old testament. You can check, but I'm pretty sure.
You ask, "Can a man (son of man) and a women (daughter of man) reproduce a son of God through natural child birth?"
I answer: "God alone is Good! There is none like Him."
I ask, "Can God accomplish His will without involving angel sex?" No need to answer. We already know.
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How could the sons of God possibly have been human.
Sons of God is a reference to the offspring of God.
The sons of God were angels.
JLB