Are God's powers limited?

[Drew]

I suspect that God's powers are indeed limited

That's not what the Bible says. It seems that you are making your own image of God.

Where does it say God can do anything in the scriptures? And you need to provide texts that say more than "God is powerful" or "God does great things" or "God is mighty beyond our imaginings", etc. Which text or text says God can do anything? Now I am a reasonable sort - I am not expecting a text that provides a precise technical statement, but something that can reasonably be used to conclude that God can do anything.

 

[gingercat]

"Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven." Luke 21:10-11

 

[Novum]

"Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven." Luke 21:10-11

You could use that passage to describe any year in the 2000 years since Jesus supposedly lived - heck, it describes the entire history of homo sapiens since the Neanderthals. There have always been wars, earthquakes, pestilence, and "fearful events", even well before your Jesus supposedly lived.

This is not helpful, ginger.

 

[gingercat]

All we can do is near time which is in the Bible.

What?

:-? Sorry. "All we can know is when the time is near, something addressed in the Bible"

 

[gingercat]

"Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven." Luke 21:10-11

You could use that passage to describe any year in the 2000 years since Jesus supposedly lived - heck, it describes the entire history of homo sapiens since the Neanderthals. There have always been wars, earthquakes, pestilence, and "fearful events", even well before your Jesus supposedly lived.

This is not helpful, ginger.

You should check how frequent these occurrances are since WW1.

 

[Novum]

"Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven." Luke 21:10-11

You could use that passage to describe any year in the 2000 years since Jesus supposedly lived - heck, it describes the entire history of homo sapiens since the Neanderthals. There have always been wars, earthquakes, pestilence, and "fearful events", even well before your Jesus supposedly lived.

This is not helpful, ginger.

You should check how frequent these occurrances are since WW1.

Why WW1? How many times, on average, do you think these events occur per century since 10,000 BC? Are you claiming that they increase in frequency? If so, I'd beg to differ...

 

[gingercat]

"Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven." Luke 21:10-11

You could use that passage to describe any year in the 2000 years since Jesus supposedly lived - heck, it describes the entire history of homo sapiens since the Neanderthals. There have always been wars, earthquakes, pestilence, and "fearful events", even well before your Jesus supposedly lived.

This is not helpful, ginger.

You should check how frequent these occurrances are since WW1.

Why WW1? How many times, on average, do you think these events occur per century since 10,000 BC? Are you claiming that they increase in frequency? If so, I'd beg to differ...

We just have to agree to disagree. After all I am Christian and you are not. We have a big difference in mentality.

 

[Novum]

We just have to agree to disagree. After all I am Christian and you are not. We have a big difference in mentality.

If you are claiming that these events are increasing in frequency, show your evidence. Otherwise, stop making up lies.

 

[Drew]

"Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven." Luke 21:10-11

Hi gingercat:

Differences in "mentality" aside, this text does not even come close to suggesting that God can do anything - fearful events and great signs fall far short of describing a God who can do anything.

 

[Klee shay]

If God is all powerful then why did He let this world of suffering happen?

When Satan challenged God as in Job why didn't God just tell him to take a walk or perhaps better just wiped him out?

Mmm...can one get into the mind of God without first seeking him? :wink:

Good question though. A very profound one too.

When you think about the very creation of life however; even the very definition ascribed to God - The Alpha and the Omega - the beginning and the end; there HAS to be a process in order for these two concepts to exist.

The beginning of life is when everything is new; the middle is a process of evolution/learning and the end simply justifies everything which preceded it. Why? Because without an end there can be no beginning and without no beginning there can be no end. The circle of life must include all the integral parts without removing one single component; otherwise it ceases to exist as a functional whole.

Would we know about life if we didn't begin? Would we comprehend what life means if there was no evolution from the beginning? Would we even start to evolve if there was no time-line defined by the end?

The middle is what Job exprienced on an individual level with God I suppose. If God were to eliminate this evolution of Job through a trial by Satan, where would mankind's understanding of faith begin? There were more examples of biblical men who were tried by the temptations of Satan. Some succeeded and some failed; and in the meantime the spiritual man evolved with each passing generation.

Who is this spiritual man? I suppose it could be the invisible God - but that's just an esitmation on my part. I would not claim that God was evolving however, rather He had always been and we were the creations in need of evolution to escape the end - death - through a Saviour which will be no end.

Are God's powers limited? Well everything we understand came from God in the first place. So is he limited in his being, or are we merely limited in understanding how far his being extends?

I would say to even start answering these questions on the sliding scale of understanding, one first has to seek God. :wink:

 

[gingercat]

We just have to agree to disagree. After all I am Christian and you are not. We have a big difference in mentality.

If you are claiming that these events are increasing in frequency, show your evidence. Otherwise, stop making up lies.

You are the one with the doubt. You should check. I will not baby you. I am just giving you an offer to get to know God. Isn't that why you are here?. You should make a bigger effort dear, if you are serious.

God's people would not lie.

 

[Novum]

You are the one with the doubt. You should check. I will not baby you. I am just giving you an offer to get to know God. Isn't that why you are here?. You should make a bigger effort dear, if you are serious.

So, being a Christian means you don't have to provide evidence for what you say? Does it mean that you can make up whatever you like and we're expected to believe you? :smt042

God's people would not lie.

:smt043

 

[gingercat]

You are the one with the doubt. You should check. I will not baby you. I am just giving you an offer to get to know God. Isn't that why you are here?. You should make a bigger effort dear, if you are serious.

So, being a Christian means you don't have to provide evidence for what you say? Does it mean that you can make up whatever you like and we're expected to believe you? :smt042

God's people would not lie.

:smt043

These posts show mockery of Christianity. I don't blame you for not taking me seriously because so many phoney Christians. I have been doing my best to reach out to non-believers including you. So far I have been insulted many times by you. But believing in God is not looking at people(meaning if you become a Christian, you don't follow Christians, but Christ). You should read and obey Bible yourself instead of coming here making fun of Christianity.

 

[gingercat]

I suspect that God's powers are indeed limited

That's not what the Bible says. It seems that you are making your own image of God.

Where does it say God can do anything in the scriptures? And you need to provide texts that say more than "God is powerful" or "God does great things" or "God is mighty beyond our imaginings", etc. Which text or text says God can do anything? Now I am a reasonable sort - I am not expecting a text that provides a precise technical statement, but something that can reasonably be used to conclude that God can do anything.

Mark 10:27 "and Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible"

Luke 1:37 "for with God nothing shall be impossible" (refers to an OT miracle)

 

[Novum]

These posts show mockery of Christianity. I don't blame you for not taking me seriously because so many phoney Christians. I have been doing my best to reach out to non-believers including you. So far I have been insulted many times by you. But believing in God is not looking at people(meaning if you become a Christian, you don't follow Christians, but Christ). You should read and obey Bible yourself instead of coming here making fun of Christianity.

No ginger, you completely misunderstand.

You seriously claimed that "God's people would not lie." That is a ridiculous claim, therefore I laughed.

You seriously claimed that you didn't have to provide evidence for your claims. That is a ridiculous claim, therefore I laughed.

ginger, I don't care if you're Christian, Buddhist, or Jedi. Anyone making claims like yours here is seriously divorced from reality. I am not making fun of Christianity, I'm laughing because you apparently believe that Christians cannot (or do not) lie.

 

[Drew]

Hi gingercat:

I had written a longer post about your verses, but it somehow got zapped. For now, I will indeed concede that the literal reading of these texts, especially the one from Luke, do indeed suggest that God can do anything.

 

[TanNinety]

Matthew 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, 2. And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
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5. Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan, 6. And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

Do you suppose John the Baptist literally baptized all as in each and every single individual that lived in Jerusalem and Jordan? If I told you that there was a preacher who baptized all from New York, and Chicago in the lake of the pines, would you deduce from my sentence that the preacher indeed baptized, 18,976,457 people from New York and 2.8 million people from Chicago?

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.

Hath the Messiah indeed drawn all men unto Him? If your answer is yes, then what explains Novum. Is he pretending not to be drawn by Christ?

ALL doesn’t mean ANYTHING. Christ didn’t mean anything is possible with God. If it were so throwing Christians in the lake of fire and giving eternal life for satan and his demons is perfectly qualified for that “anything†that is possible. You will have to prove otherwise because for God anything is possible according to your interpretation.

But I am sure you will contradictorily contend that such an ending is impossible.

Biblical Usage of ALL
1) individually
a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
2) collectively
a) some of all types

 

[gingercat]

ginger, I don't care if you're Christian, Buddhist, or Jedi. Anyone making claims like yours here is seriously divorced from reality. I am not making fun of Christianity, I'm laughing because you apparently believe that Christians cannot (or do not) lie.

Of course you can believe what ever you wish, God will not force anyone to trust Him. He is recruiting peace-loving people. I rely on Jehovah and do my best to follow Him until end and He will give His FAITHFUL SERVANTS eternal reward with a peaceful paradise (no war, conflic, strife, hatred, bullying and sorrow). Thank you God and Jesus :angel: :angel: :angel:

 

[gingercat]

Hi gingercat:

I had written a longer post about your verses, but it somehow got zapped. For now, I will indeed concede that the literal reading of these texts, especially the one from Luke, do indeed suggest that God can do anything.

Drew,

thank you for your straight forwardness. :D

 

[gingercat]

Hi gingercat:

I had written a longer post about your verses, but it somehow got zapped. For now, I will indeed concede that the literal reading of these texts, especially the one from Luke, do indeed suggest that God can do anything.

Drew,

thank you for your straight forwardness. :D