Are God's powers limited?

[Novum]

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.

Hath the Messiah indeed drawn all men unto Him? If your answer is yes, then what explains Novum. Is he pretending not to be drawn by Christ?

Not just me - there are at least 4.4 billion nonchristians in the world, including at least a few hundred million atheists/agnostics/secular humanists/other nonbelievers.

Some Christians do honestly believe that many of these 4.4 billion nonchristians are "pretending" to not be drawn by Jesus. I'll leave that one to the reader's judgment. ;)

 

[Novum]

ginger, I don't care if you're Christian, Buddhist, or Jedi. Anyone making claims like yours here is seriously divorced from reality. I am not making fun of Christianity, I'm laughing because you apparently believe that Christians cannot (or do not) lie.

Of course you can believe what ever you wish, God will not force anyone to trust Him. He is recruiting peace-loving people. I rely on Jehovah and do my best to follow Him until end and He will give His FAITHFUL SERVANTS eternal reward with a peaceful paradise (no war, conflic, strife, hatred, bullying and sorrow). Thank you God and Jesus :angel: :angel: :angel:

I'm sorry...how does this at all relate to the post you're apparently responding to?

 

[gingercat]

I just wanted to boast about Jehovah. :D

 

[Rick the holypig]

God is so powerful that he can choose to limit himself.

 

[Oscar3]

GOD can do what he pleases. He is God.

 

[Oscar3]

I just wanted to boast about Jehovah. :D

Hello Ginger
Are you of the Jehovah witness faith?
Oscar

 

[Novum]

GOD can do what he pleases. He is God.

So he can kill babies, murder firstborns, send whomever he likes to hell, allow Satan to roam free, and do whatever else he likes because he's God? Does might make right?

 

[sigh1]

as i think I pointed out, there is a big difference between can and will, just because you can do something doesn't mean you will.

 

[Novum]

as i think I pointed out, there is a big difference between can and will, just because you can do something doesn't mean you will.

That's not the point. If God were to do one or more of these acts, would he still be "right" because he's God?

 

[TanNinety]

as i think I pointed out, there is a big difference between can and will, just because you can do something doesn't mean you will.

What is limiting God from doing what He can to doing what He will?

For example:
Can God throw christians in the lake of fire at the end? Yes. According to your answer.

Will God throw christians in the lake of fire at the end? No. According to your answer.

Now what is this limitation in God that is changing the answers to the same question when asked with can and will?

Before you give me an answer don't forget that your answer is going to put a limitation on what God can do because of your answer and hence prove you wrong for the fact that He can do anything

 

[sigh1]

No.

But because he is God we can be certain that he wont.

The point is that theoretically he could do anything. It is only the various interwoven aspects of his nature that allow us to be secure in the knowledge that he wont go off in a fit of homicidal rage.

 

[TanNinety]

No.

But because he is God we can be certain that he wont.

The point is that theoretically he could do anything. It is only the various interwoven aspects of his nature that allow us to be secure in the knowledge that he wont go off in a fit of homicidal rage.

The problem is where do we draw the line between can and will?

I can make you disappear into non existence sigh1 in the next 5 minutes. But I wont because God created you.

Now is there any legitimacy to my claim? ..I can but wont. Is me making you disappear testable in practicality? No. But I say I can but wont, how can you prove me wrong? So how come you are willing to assign something that is not testable with God as well because of His interwoven aspects? Shouldn't we leave that aspect as unknown?

Can God do anything? I dont know. Wouldnt that be a right answer?

 

[sigh1]

can and will are important.

God is omnipotent in and of himself. He can do whatever he wants in regards to anything.
The aspects of his personality, his love, mercy, grace, anger, holiness, jealousy and others balance out and create limitations.

This is not to say that God can't do things, I don't limit him.

A man who has studied 3 types of martial arts and could kill a person in 53 different ways CAN kill a person.
That same man, with enough love for life says I wont kill people, because it is wrong of me to do so. He still CAN, he just WONT.

If we are created in the image of God then that aspect of ourselves that allows us to self-limit what we will do, is also an aspect of God. He can choose to impose limitations on himself. That doesn't remove his ability to do things, it simply says that God is aware of right and wrong and his actions fit with that.

 

[sigh1]

No.

But because he is God we can be certain that he wont.

The point is that theoretically he could do anything. It is only the various interwoven aspects of his nature that allow us to be secure in the knowledge that he wont go off in a fit of homicidal rage.

The problem is where do we draw the line between can and will?

I can make you disappear into non existence sigh1 in the next 5 minutes. But I wont because God created you.

Now is there any legitimacy to my claim? ..I can but wont. Is me making you disappear testable in practicality? No. But I say I can but wont, how can you prove me wrong? So how come you are willing to assign something that is not testable with God as well because of His interwoven aspects? Shouldn't we leave that aspect as unknown?

Can God do anything? I dont know. Wouldnt that be a right answer?

No

If God isn't omnipotent (all powerful) then how is he different to any other god.?

 

[gingercat]

I just wanted to boast about Jehovah. :D

Hello Ginger
Are you of the Jehovah witness faith?
Oscar

Why do you ask. Are going to start another thread on the trnity?

God is a peace loving God. Why are you so quick to find one's fault?

I am saying this because I have encountered many posters like you.

 

[TanNinety]

No

If God isn't omnipotent (all powerful) then how is he different to any other god.?

Do you frankly believe that other religions think that their god is not omnipotent? He is not different than any other god in his omnipotence because almost all religions claim the same omnipotence to their god.

If you want to believe that He is different from the rest of the gods, you have to agree that He can't/won't do anything He wants/wills to, but always being a God of love and mercy limits Himself for the ultimate purpose of His creation.

 

[gingercat]

BTW,

Jehovah or Yaweh is God's name. He wants us to use His name.

 

[Klee shay]

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.

Hath the Messiah indeed drawn all men unto Him? If your answer is yes, then what explains Novum. Is he pretending not to be drawn by Christ?

Not just me - there are at least 4.4 billion nonchristians in the world, including at least a few hundred million atheists/agnostics/secular humanists/other nonbelievers.

Some Christians do honestly believe that many of these 4.4 billion nonchristians are "pretending" to not be drawn by Jesus. I'll leave that one to the reader's judgment. ;)

All men are drawn to Jesus, but that doesn't mean all will follow. That is what free will is about. :wink:

You (and other's free to choose) aren't pretending that Jesus hasn't drawn you to him. You merely deny the existence of Jesus or choose to work against the power he draws you with. Completely your choice. Because you deny that power however, does it make the scripture incorrect?

If you respect mankind's ability to possess free will (whether it be of God's design or merely social conscience) then you will realise the scripture which declares Jesus will draw all men to him, is based on man's faith to believe it is true. If a non-believer chooses to deny that truth, then of course the scripture will have no bearing on disbelief.

"While ye have the light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of the light." JOHN 12:36

 

[mutzrein]

If God isn't omnipotent (all powerful) then how is he different to any other god.?

I agree. There is only ONE true God. And btw, good to see another kiwi on the board

 

[Oscar3]

I just wanted to boast about Jehovah. :D

Hello Ginger
Are you of the Jehovah witness faith?
Oscar

Why do you ask. Are going to start another thread on the trnity?

God is a peace loving God. Why are you so quick to find one's fault?

I am saying this because I have encountered many posters like you.

Gingercat
I oppologize. I did not mean to offend you. I did not know you have been asked this alot. I just asked because I did not want to assume anything thats all. I am just trying to feel my way around and learn.
bless you Oscar