Ask any questions about The Great Tribulation in this thread and you will recieve true information about it from me.

[Michael The Archangel]

Who is Michael " standing up " against ?
And on whose behalf is Michael standing up for ?

Dan 12:1
"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people"

The Lord is telling Daniel that the descendants of his people will be redeemed in the end of days. That is Israel, the Jews who were forcibly supressed in Israel, forced to conform to Islam by the evil Empire who conquered them and invented Islam in Petra that is part of their ten cities called Decapolis, and replaced the Jews with themselves called Orthodox Jews in what is now the Synagogue of Satan.

 

[Consecrated Life]

The Lord is telling Daniel that the descendants of his people will be redeemed in the end of days. That is Israel, the Jews who were forcibly supressed in Israel, forced to conform to Islam

"supressed" by whom in the end days ?

 

[Michael The Archangel]

"supressed" by whom in the end days ?

The Beast. It's a civilization that comprises seven nations that are the 7 heads of the Beast.
In short, it's the Greek peoples and their Macedonian Empire that conquered Israel.

They later split the Roman Empire and formed the Eastern Orthodox Church that rules over various nations today including Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, Balkans countries, ... etc. Those nations and others are in fact secretly part of their empire that has been hidden under various names throughout history such as the Byzantine Empire, Ottoman Empire, Latin Empire, ...etc.

However, Greece is not the whole of what their people is called and it goes back to the Sea Peoples who caused the Bronze Age collapse.

The closest you can get to being told directly who it is, is in Revelations 20: 7 and 8, that says:

"7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,​

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."​

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Gog and Magog are the nations of the Dragon. Both the Beast and the Dragon have seven heads and ten horns; therefore the nations of the Beast are the nations of the Dragon. You can find the identities of Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38 and 39.

 

[Consecrated Life]

The Beast. It's a civilization that comprises seven nations that are the 7 heads of the Beast.

What is the name of the leader of this civilization ?

 

[Michael The Archangel]

What is the name of the leader of this civilization ?

There is no leader. They have an aristocracy that rules through a council.

 

[Consecrated Life]

There is no leader. They have an aristocracy that rules through a council.

If you knew the scripture you would know that a ruler will emerge .

 

[Oseas]

If you knew the scripture you would know that a ruler will emerge .

Yes, your assertion is valid, you are right. 2 Thessalonians 2:v.3-4 and 9-12
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that MAN of sin be REVEALED, the son of perdition;

4 Who (will) oppose(th) and exalt(eth) himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God (will) sitt(eth) in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

https://friendsofjesus.proboards.com/thread/9880/attention-send-strong-delusion-careful#.Yuk4_WPMLIU

 

[Consecrated Life]

Yes, your assertion is valid, you are right. 2 Thessalonians 2:v.3-4 and 9-12
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that MAN of sin be REVEALED, the son of perdition;

4 Who (will) oppose(th) and exalt(eth) himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God (will) sitt(eth) in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

https://friendsofjesus.proboards.com/thread/9880/attention-send-strong-delusion-careful#.Yuk4_WPMLIU

Exactly, one of the most rudimentary biblical concepts is of an end times supreme ruler who will share his world power with no one.
Thus the whole business of magnifying himself because of his love of himself.
That has been Satan's whole deal from the start and that is how it ends .

 

[Human]

How long after the rapture will the tribulation begin

 

[Oseas]

Exactly, one of the most rudimentary biblical concepts is of an end times supreme ruler who will share his world power with no one.
Thus the whole business of magnifying himself because of his love of himself.
That has been Satan's whole deal from the start and that is how it ends .

What you say in your post above is in line with the prophecies, mainly of Daniel and Ezekiel. According my interpretation, Ezekiel prophesied of the manifestation of the Wicked Prince of Israel: Ezekiel 21:v.25 - And thou, profane wicked Prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end. (JESUS said: Matthew 24:v.12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.)
Ezekiel was a contemporary of Daniel, and Daniel also prophesied concerning the manifestation of this wicked Prince of Israel at this time of the END-it is written in Daniel 9:v.26.

I believe that the latest events in the world are signaling that the end of all things have arrived, it's now, in the current time, but the Devil will try by all means to avoid the destruction of his devilish/satanic world. But how? Manifesting himself as a messiah, as a lamb- a false lamb, course, representing two ancient kingdoms of Israel, two horns, symbols of power biblically speaking. By the way, the title of Messiah is the only one, yes, the only one that the Devil has not used for himself until this time.

We must have vision and not imagine that this ruthless messiah is yet to be born, no, we cannot imagine that way, this evil man was born decades ago, and is about to manifest soon, all current events in the world are aimed at the manifestation of a/the false messiah, a false lamb-Revelation 13:v.11-18.

I think that he -the wicked Prince of Israel- will be the head of the esoteric, and kabblistic, and spiritist Judaism, the main religion of Israel, and the main ruller of the nation.

From now on we have to be alert and prepare for a terrible battle against Satan disguised as messiah and his allies. Revelation 16:v.13-15

 

[Oseas]

Where is Michael The Archangel? Daniel 12:1-3
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince(Joshua 5:13-15) which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Matthew 24:15 and 21-23
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand )
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Psalms 90:11- Who knoweth the power of thine wrath? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath.
Revelation 11:15&18 ->15 The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; ... 18 And the NATIONS were(WILL BE) angry, and thy WRATH is come, ...
The Scriptures above remember something likeness the War between the house of Saul and the house of David; 2Samuel 3:1-> Now there was long War between the house of Saul and the house of David: but David waxed stronger and stronger, and the house of Saul waxed weaker and weaker.

By analogy, the War is now between the Devil X GOD, between the spirit of the Devil, the former Cherub and former ruler of Eden X the Spirit of GOD our Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
The Lord shall utter His voice before His army: for His camp is very great: for He is strong that executeth His Word(understand?): for the Day of the Lord is great and very terrible(that is the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium); and who can abide it?Joel 2:11.

Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain(Micah 4:1-7, Hallelujah!): let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the Day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand-Joel 2:1; (yeah, the Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day, just arrived).

Joel 2:2-7 - the Day of our Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. -->Wake up, wake up you all.
2 A Day of darkness and of gloominess, a Day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.(Revelation 6:9-11, take a look)
3 A fire devoureth before them(the Word is GOD, GOD is a devouring fire); and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall ESCAPE them. (1Thessalonians 5:2-3, yeah, they shall not escape).
4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. (Yeah, in LITERAL fulfillment of Revelation 19:14-21, take a look).
5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. (Yeah, the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall ESCAPE-1Thes.5:2-3)
6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness. 7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks: (Literal fulfillment of Matthew 24: 21-25, take a look)
Our Lord JESUS said: -Matthew 28:18 & 20-> 18 All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 20 I am with you always, even unto the END of the world. Amen.

Psalms 90:12-17
12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.
13 Return, O Lord, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants.
14 O satisfy us early with thy mercy; that we may rejoice and be glad all our days.
15 Make us glad according to the days wherein thou hast afflicted us, and the years wherein we have seen evil.
16 Let thy WORK APPEAR unto thy servants, and thy glory unto their children.
17 And let the beauty of the Lord our GOD be upon us: and establish thou the work of our hands upon us; yea, the work of our hands establish thou it.

AMEN

13 Return, O Lord, how long?

 

[Consecrated Life]

What is the deal with Michael & Satan locking horns over the corpse of Moses ?
And why did this dispute end with God burying the body of Moses Himself ?
For me this is one of the strangest incidents in scripture that undoubtedly has some meaning for the future but the is not another word spoken about the purpose of it .
For me it must have something to do with God coming full circle with the nation Israel .
Apparently Satan has some insight into what the future holds for the appearance of Moses .
Very curious to me that Satan could have knowledge of such specific detail, coming from the mind of God .

Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

 

[RandyK]

The incident seems to be lost to history, but the lesson is clear. Don't take it upon yourself to fight the Devil. We are sin-contaminated, just as he is. We take our prayers to Christ, who as a sinless man and a Divine man has the authority to deal with evil and the Devil. Our own pride is as bad as the pride of the Devil, although we do not have to either indulge it or own it.

 

[Consecrated Life]

The incident seems to be lost to history, but the lesson is clear. Don't take it upon yourself to fight the Devil. We are sin-contaminated, just as he is. We take our prayers to Christ, who as a sinless man and a Divine man has the authority to deal with evil and the Devil. Our own pride is as bad as the pride of the Devil, although we do not have to either indulge it or own it.

My real question is what did Satan know about the future and how the body of moses was connected to it .
No person will ever know where Moses is buried, why is that so important in God's plan for the future?

 

[for_his_glory]

My real question is what did Satan know about the future and how the body of moses was connected to it .
No person will ever know where Moses is buried, why is that so important in God's plan for the future?

Deuteronomy 34:5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. 6 and he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Beth-peor: but no man knoweth of his sepulcher unto this day.

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[for_his_glory]

Rev 12:3 the other sign John saw was a great red dragon meaning Satan. Remember, this is a vision and a sign as Satan has not yet been cast out of heaven until the beginning of the 3 1/2 year tribulation. The description of the dragon being great and red depicts its nature and character as being fierce and murderous, John 8:44. This red dragon is depicted as having seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. This is also confirmed in Rev 17 as mystery Babylon is described. The seven heads and ten horns refer to the original ten kingdoms of which three were subdued by the little horn of Daniel 7:8. The last kingdom which stands greater than all the others is that of a revived Roman Empire that takes control over all the ten nations who then implements a deceiving peace treaty with the Muslims in which the Dome of the Rock will be given over to the son of perdition as he reigns from the very Temple mount of God. This is the abomination Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15, 16 that we are to flee from when we see the son of perdition take his seat in Jerusalem for 3 1/2 years.

Rev 13 the beast rises up out of the sea as the sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15. This beast is a Luciferian system comprised of economic, political, militant, environmental and a false religious system. This beast system that Satan works through gives its power to the beast out of the earth as the beast out of the earth appears as the Lamb of God, but is a false Christ being the son of perdition, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 with two horns. The two horns represent the Old Roman Empire that received its deadly wound back in 1798 by General Berthier who made his entrance into Rome and abolished the Roman government and established a secular one. That caused them to scatter into the other ten nations (ten horns). The wound was healed in 1929 by Mussolini.

God speaks to us in scripture of a 3 1/2 year tribulation during the time of the seventh trumpet, not a seven year tribulation, as being time, times and half time which equals 1260 days = 3 1/2 years or 3 Times as the Hebrew calendar only had 30 days for each month and this is where you get 1260 days or 3 1/2 years.
[Scripture reference]
Revelation 12:14; Daniel 7:25; Daniel 12:7
1260 days Revelation 11:3; Revelation 12:6
42 months Revelation 11:2; Revelation 13:5

No where in scripture does it mention a seven year tribulation, but only seven trumpets of God's fierce wrath as scripture says we will always have tribulations as the last time will be such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be, Matthew 24:21; Deut 4:30-31; 7:19; 29:1-6; 1 Samuel 26:24; Matthew; John 16:33; Romans 12:12; 24:21; James 1:2; 1 Peter 1:6.

The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:23-25; Rev 13:3. The deadly wound came in 1798 when General Berthier of France, who made his entrance into Rome, abolished the Roman government and established a secular one and captured Pope Pius VI, who soon died in captivity in Valence, on August 29, 1799. In 1801 Napoleon made an agreement with Pope Pius II establishing Napoleon s Organic Articles of granting the Tribunal and the Corps legislative partial control of the concordat in order to help the state monitor any politically harmful Catholic or Protestant movements or activities. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to Pope Pius XI and established it as a country in it's own right in the Lateran Treaty.

The Roman Empire began in 753BC by Romulus who founded Rome in 27BC with Augustus Caesar becoming the first emperor of Rome in 27 BC and died in 14AD. Rome controlled over two million square miles stretching from the Rhine River to Egypt and from Britain (England) to Asia Minor which made up the Grecian Empire of Greece, Turkey, Syria and Egypt. In 146BC the Romans destroyed Corinth during the Battle of Corinth and made the Greece Empire into a province of the Roman Empire. This timeline goes from 753BC to 27BC. Nero burned Rome in 64AD and blamed the Christian community in the city causing the Roman Empires first persecution of Christians. In 1453 was the rise of the Ottoman Empire that conquered Constantinople destroying the Byzantine Empire (Eastern Roman Empire) that reigned from 330AD to 1453AD. The Roman Empire was then called the Holy Roman Empire that was a political entity beginning in 800AD - 1806AD from the time of Charlemagne (Holy Roman Emperor) who protected Pope Leo III from Adrian's supporters in Rome to Francis II, King of France. Pope Pius VII was the Pope from 1800-1823. The Roman Empire is known today as Vatican City, a city-state surrounded by Rome and Italy who has diplomatic relations with every nation around the world.

The crowns on its heads show that this dragon claims royal authority against the true King who is God of all creation as he prepares to take his seat above all that which is Gods Kingdom claiming he is God as he prepares to deceive the world through that of an existing Roman Empire, Daniel 8:9-12; Isaiah 14:12-15.

The beast rises up out of the sea, Rev 13, as the sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15. The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:15-28.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (Germans in Great Britain), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

The beast out of the earth, Rev 13:11-18, is the revived Roman Empire (mystery Babylon) which causes man to take its mark. Daniel 7:25 and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, He will think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-12.

 

[RandyK]

My real question is what did Satan know about the future and how the body of moses was connected to it .
No person will ever know where Moses is buried, why is that so important in God's plan for the future?

I don't see anything there about "future things."

 

[Consecrated Life]

I don't see anything there about "future things."

Why did Satan desperately want the body of Moses ?
So much so that God had to bury Moses Himself where no one knows ?

 

[RandyK]

Why did Satan desperately want the body of Moses ?
So much so that God had to bury Moses Himself where no one knows ?

These are my thoughts, but certainly not authoritative in any way. I'm just speculating.

1) Satan accuses all of God's saints, leaders with a great track record and the smallest Christian who regularly makes "mistakes." Moses figures prominently only because of his huge role in representing the Law.

The Law, in turn, presents a case against all men. Therefore, in going after Moses Satan is, in effect, trying to prohibit all men from allying with God forever. He is trying to disqualify all men from Eternal Life by showing that Moses, representing the Law, disqualifies men, whether they have good or bad works.

2) Moses was not buried because unlike Abraham, who was a patriarch, he was a prophet and major leader in the dispensations of God. As leader and dispenser of the Law he would've been given too much attention. Some would've worshiped him.

So he basically disappears from history, just as Enoch and Elijah did, both prophetic figures, as well. They were only the voice of God, and not God Himself. They didn't need a landmark to mark them as "God's voice."

But Abraham did not represent God's voice. He rather represented the inheritance of God's People, who are associated with his tradition, with both him and Israel, his direct progeny. And so, God gave him a landmark, a burial spot.

I would just add that Jesus was the voice of God, and a prophet, as well as the lead man in a new dispensation of Grace. And so, he was given a landmark as a burial spot, even though those who rejected him tried to disparage him and mark his burial place as more of a disposal state and the result of criminal prosecution.

We do worship him, and recognize at his place in history the means of Grace, in contrast to the Law, which condemned us. Like the Prophets who disappeared or went to God we look to Jesus in heaven, and no longer as being buried on earth. More than a landmark he is our present Salvation.

 

[Consecrated Life]

These are my thoughts, but certainly not authoritative in any way. I'm just speculating.

The Law, in turn, presents a case against all men. Therefore, in going after Moses Satan is, in effect, trying to prohibit all men from allying with God forever. He is trying to disqualify all men from Eternal Life by showing that Moses, representing the Law, disqualifies men, whether they have good or bad works.

In what way does getting ahold of Moses rotting corpse help Satan in that effort ?
I do not get the connection you are making?
Are you saying Satan wanted to rattle a bag of Moses's bones in the face of people ?