Yes singular, as man has his own spirit that has been formed by God.
It is man's spirit within him that is born again, not his body. John 3:6
Maybe other's could share what they see about this.
JLB
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Yes singular, as man has his own spirit that has been formed by God.
It is man's spirit within him that is born again, not his body. John 3:6
Maybe other's could share what they see about this.
JLB
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it is significant that the living spirit Yhwh breathes into the new creation, man born again, by Yhwh's will (not the will of the flesh, nor of man, but of Yhwh)
is 'set apart'. 'holy'. references later as, when and if Yhwh permits.
is 'set apart'. 'holy'. references later as, when and if Yhwh permits.
Butch5
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Born again is metaphor to Nicodemus. Nicodemus was a Jew and as such believed that his physical birth entitled him to the kingdom of God. Jesus is correcting him. Jesus doesn't say anything about a man having a spirit that is his. I'm sure you're aware of figurative language. Surely you don't think the Holy Spirit gave birth to a spirit that is you do you? If so wouldn't that make you God? If the Holy Spirit is God and gave birth to spirit that is you then you are God. You're not claiming that I hope.
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.Genesis 2:7
Here are some points that need to be addressed in this verse.
God formed from the dust of the ground, God did not form Adam's descendants from the dust of the ground.
God Himself breathed in to Adam. No other scripture indicates that God breathed directly into anyone else, as no one of Adams descendants are called a son of God.
Genesis 2:7 says that Adam became a living being, and does not say address Adam's spirit or soul.
Adam was unique in that he was created by God Himself and called a son of God. We do not see this designation given to anyone until they have been born of God, which has to do with man's spirit and not his body.
Genesis 2:7 should not be used to undermine what the many other scriptures teach us about mans spirit, soul and body.
...that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, Ephesians 3:16
But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 1 Peter 3;4
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.1 Corinthians 2:11
The spirit of man in him and the Spirit of God. Two distinct and different spirits.
JLB
Jesus answered , Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.1 John 5:1
What part of man is born of God the body or the spirit?
JLB
A son of God.
I'm reading what the scripture teaches.
15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
Romans 8:15-16
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Butch5
Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Ecc 3:22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?
I think what Solomon is saying here is that both a man's and animal's bodies die and go to the grave. But then he sees that man's spirit is not the same as an animal's spirit. They are different, they are not the same.
He says the animal's spirit is tied, if you will, to the earth but not so man's spirit.
He goes on to say that a man should rejoice in what his life is now. He cannot see what will come after he dies. But he believes that there is definitely something and somewhere his spirit will go.
He clearly says that man has a spirit. And that animals have a spirit.
Isa 38:15 --What do I say? seeing He said to me, And He Himself hath wrought, I go softly all my years for the bitterness of my soul. [will, oneself]
Isa 38:16 Lord, by these do men live, And by all in them is the life of my spirit, And Thou savest me, make me also to live,
Isa 38:17 Lo, to peace He changed for me bitterness, And Thou hast delighted in my soul without corruption, For Thou hast cast behind Thy back all my sins.
soul = http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H5315&t=KJV
spirit =http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H7307&t=KJV
Isaiah says 'my soul' and 'my spirit'.
Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Ecc 3:22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?
I think what Solomon is saying here is that both a man's and animal's bodies die and go to the grave. But then he sees that man's spirit is not the same as an animal's spirit. They are different, they are not the same.
He says the animal's spirit is tied, if you will, to the earth but not so man's spirit.
He goes on to say that a man should rejoice in what his life is now. He cannot see what will come after he dies. But he believes that there is definitely something and somewhere his spirit will go.
He clearly says that man has a spirit. And that animals have a spirit.
Isa 38:15 --What do I say? seeing He said to me, And He Himself hath wrought, I go softly all my years for the bitterness of my soul. [will, oneself]
Isa 38:16 Lord, by these do men live, And by all in them is the life of my spirit, And Thou savest me, make me also to live,
Isa 38:17 Lo, to peace He changed for me bitterness, And Thou hast delighted in my soul without corruption, For Thou hast cast behind Thy back all my sins.
soul = http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H5315&t=KJV
spirit =http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H7307&t=KJV
Isaiah says 'my soul' and 'my spirit'.
Hello Butch,
So you are saying Jesus was referring to the fact that people cannot do anything to the resurrected nephesh (נֶפֶש). Maybe, but God would hardly need hell to destroy a body composed of mere flesh. All He would have to do is once more remove his breath, and back to dust is would go.
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28 KJV
If the nephesh (נֶפֶש)/psyche does not have the breath, it is mere dust. There would seem to be no point in sending inanimate dust to hell for destruction.
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Hey JLB I might not be the same as Butch in this area atm.
Joh 3:5-6 KJV Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Here we see the Holy Spirit is instrumental in our rebirth and entry into the Kingdom. Yahweh gave us life by His Spirit/ breath and when we are born again we receive the Holy Spirit. I see this as Yahweh interacting with and renewing His own Spirit inside us. This makes sense to me because salvation is entirely His work in us.
The passage is interesting though because it says " That which is born of flesh is flesh" . What does this mean to you ? ie. are you suggesting a non believer has no spirit ? I'm asking because there's a contrast between the states of the Born again and the fleshly born.
Interesting Deb. I don't see any indication here that Solomon is suggesting different destinations for the spirit of man and animals. The point is that Yahweh gave life/spirit to all animals and this comes directly from Genesis imo.
Hezekiah here is crook and thanking God is his life basically I think. I suggest Hezekiah uses spirit here as a simile for his God given life and his soul is his whole being. Spirit + body = soul. I guess it is also acceptable to suggest spirit here is God's in the same way as all living beings have God's spirit.