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Odd.
What created the materials to build that bridge? Or the bridge builders?
There are a couple of problems. First, context is king:
How is discussing the nature of God not edifying? Is it edifying to have wrong beliefs about God or right beliefs?
These are tough ...
This is God we are talking about. THE Creator of the universe, THE Inspirer of the Bible that has been proven right time and again.
Effictively cannot.
Yes because He wants to be. He always has been and wanted to be perfect and immutable and good.
Yep.
In your view, He is forced. In mine, He is the latter.
He will always want to be Righteous. No remotely decent evidence that He will not.
Proof?
True as well. God has no intentions on ditching His Nature. And likely has none for playing games with "logically impossible".
No no, EFFECTIVELY cannot.
"If apple juice has the potential to have lemon juice put into it, it is not apple juice." That's how your argument is like.
Arguing in circles does not help the case.
Assumption with 0 proof, we have proof the "logically impossible" is possible because of the notable LACK of exceptions to God's Power in the Bible. The big picture is, all the "God cannot" are EFFECTIVELY cannot.
He could if He wanted to.
Yep. But there is no good reason for God to desire to do such.
Because events throughout history have proven the Bible to be true. We know God does not lie not because of some hard limit, but as you said, He is "Good in and of Himself"
Blatant pride!!
Effectively. Give me one reason that God would sin to appease people's desire to have evidence that He **can** violate His character. Right you cant.
Oh! You mess up? So being a logical impossibility stops it from being absolutely impossible! If it is logically impossible, it cannot be absolutely impossible!
Yes, it is God we are talking about, at least who I am talking about; you’re making him less than he is. His power cannot overcome logical contradictions because there is nothing to overcome. That kind of nonsense is a state that is impossible to ever exist, and God absolutely cannot make it exist.
Absolutely cannot. He can no more go against his nature than an ant can choose to become a human and actually do so of its own power. Again, you’re making God less than he is.
“Wants to be” and “wanted” again make God less than he is. You really don't understand the nature of God.
That has nothing to do with this discussion.
No, you've got it completely backwards. In your view he must force himself to be righteous. In "my" view, which is the biblical view, God is perfectly righteous because his nature is. That means he could never not be righteous.
You’re fallaciously begging the question.
Again, you're fallaciously begging the question. If God can choose to be unrighteous, then he is completely untrustworthy and therefore cannot be God.
Do you not understand what blasphemy means either? That is what asking for proof for what I said strongly suggests. It should be self-evident.
There is nothing God 'could not do no matter how ""hard he tries"".' There are things he simply cannot do because his nature precludes them from even being a consideration. It has absolutely nothing to do with limit God or making him weak.
You have missed the point entirely. God cannot go against his nature. That is absolutely impossible. You're also fallaciously begging the question again.
He absolutely cannot go against his nature. If he could, then that wouldn't be his nature. Do you see the problem yet?
If you say it is possible and he only chooses not to, then it is always possible he might. That is the problem with your position.
This doesn't make sense.
My goodness, no. That has nothing to do with what I’ve stated and you have in no way whatsoever proven my logic to be flawed. No offense, but you really need to go and formally learn some logic and critical thinking.
Yes, because they were humans, not God.
If God can sin, then his nature isn't such that he is immutable. It means he could change if he wanted and he just might. He is therefore untrustworthy and not the God of the Bible.
Again, no, that has nothing to do with anything I've stated.
What circles?
You do not understand either the nature of logic or the nature of God.
And this proves that your understanding of the nature of God is very wrong. This is a logical contradiction which is nonsense. If God is omniscient, then it is impossible that he could ever learn anything, since by definition, he already knows everything. If God can learn "if He wanted to," then that means he is ignorant of some things, and maybe many things, and therefore he cannot be omniscient. Which means he is not the God of the Bible.
I've just proven, as have others, that your position is in serious error. God cannot do the logically impossible because the logically impossible is nonsense and absolutely impossible. It has nothing to do with God or his being omnipotent. It's a complete and utter failure to understand the nature of logic and the nature of God. You are making God much less than he is.
Not at all.
You don’t seem to understand the problem, which is based on logical reasoning. If God can create a rock too heavy for him to lift, then he cannot be omnipotent. If God cannot create a rock too heavy for him to lift, then he cannot be omnipotent. Either way, he cannot be omnipotent.
But, you cannot believe anything God says about himself. When Jesus returns, if he even will return, it could be to throw all the Christians in hell and all the unbelievers go to heaven. Maybe there is no heaven or hell, or maybe their is neither. God is completely untrustworthy. He could be the greatest possible deceiver. These are the types of things that your position leads to.
God cannot lie because it is impossible for him to lie. His nature precludes him from the ability to lie. If it's just a choice, then reread the paragraph above.
That is why one studies and learns theology and critical thinking. It's help one know truth from error.
You don't understand that the Bible makes no hard exceptions to God's Power.
Unless He somehow makes both possible. But thats a game, please tell me A SINGLE REASON that God would. Right you cant.
Yes. Doesnt mean He will. He has never changed and also there is no reason for Him to.
Nope. And i'm the one who 'doesnt ' understand logic.
Ironic. How does being able to do truly anything instead of "omnipotent with exceptions" amount to that? Your position is the illogical one, not mine.
God can make it exist, if the assumption that it doesn't is right.
Fallaciously begging the question.
That's if the premise that "omnipotence is not truly omnipotence", a self-contradictory belief, is correct.
Assumption not fact.
Your beliefs about Logic are axiomatic by nature. If not why not?
That's a confession.
Pretty sure you are operating under the "able to do all logically possible things yet unable to do logically impossible". So yeah, obviously He is TRULY Omnipotent. Not "limited omnipotent" like you think.
Based on limited human understanding. As you have seen, just
If He wanted to. Of course God will never ditch any of His knowledge.
Sorry, but you are way out of your depth in this discussion. I've tried to correct you, but you won't listen to reason. Please go do some serious study into logic, critical thinking, and the nature of God.
Remember God hates those who have a heart of perversion. Those who God Judges are Judged Rightly.
..... (hope) ..... or the same as Simon bar Jona learned truth - as ABBA reveals.
A man coming back to life after days in his tomb isn't logical. Lazarus would disagree.
And, what does this have to do with the discussion?
You’re not understanding. God created everything and for him to raise someone from the dead is perfectly consistent with that. It isn’t a logical impossibility; it’s not a matter of logic at all.
All these questions are raised with false premises. For the first one, since God can literally move mountains and islands (Rev. 6:14), what makes you think he can't lift a rock? The moon in its entirety is a huge rock, not only is it "lifted", it's floating in space, revolving around the earth, is that heavy enough? Actually, "he cannot lift it" implies that God is bound by gravity - which was precisely tuned by God the Creator himself, that is totally bogus.
I can’t tell what your point is, although it seems you may have completely missed mine.