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Can sinning be overcome?

justbyfaith said:
Of course, 1 John 1:8 does not say to us, "If we say that we do no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."

It says, "If we say that we have no sin..."

It is referring to indwelling sin; not practically sinning.

Indwelling sin can be rendered dead so that it no longer has any say over your behaviour.
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If "indwelling sin" is rendered dead, does that mean one no longer practically sins against others in their behavior?
 
justbyfaith said:
Of course, 1 John 1:8 does not say to us, "If we say that we do no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."

It says, "If we say that we have no sin..."

It is referring to indwelling sin; not practically sinning.

Indwelling sin can be rendered dead so that it no longer has any say over your behaviour.
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If we do practical sin, and are cleansed from that, then we would be cleansed from the outer action that we did, while practising sin in the world.

If we are cleansed from sin in ourselves ( deceiving ourselves) we would be cleansed from sin in ourselves. ( with which we deceive ourselves with.)


1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.



The heart that retains indwelling sin, can still be deceived. ( no cleansing was done if it is there and dead) but the heart that is freed from indwelling sin, ( cleansed) is made new. ( new cant have anything old/dead in it)



Ezekiel 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
If "indwelling sin" is rendered dead, does that mean one no longer practically sins against others in their behavior?
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No it means that dead thigs are in that person and not new things instead.


Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
 
gordon777 said:
No it means that dead thigs are in that person and not new things instead.


Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
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So can I assume you mean no practical outcome? Or am I mistaken?
 
gordon777 said:
Best you go and ask your new friend ( id) what they can still mean by declaring that in us, is indwelling sin which is rendered dead, and why dead is in us, who are LIVING. ( in Christ)
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Huh? You lost me. It seems the difference between us is you lean towards the theoretical theology and I lean towards the practical. When someone says that we are no longer dead in sin, I take it you are satisfied at that point whereas I want to know what this means for their real choices in interactions with people.
 
justbyfaith said:
If my premise be true, it is also not necessarily true that everyone in the congregation would have laid hold of the "second benefit" (2 Corinthians 1:15).
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The test is if christian people actually do wrong less. Do people here express kindness and mercy towards one another?
 
justbyfaith said:
I think that I do...can't speak for anyone else.
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It’s always difficult to know how to respond to those who judge themselves as yielding to sin less often than others, who definitely don’t say with Paul that they are the “chief of those who do wrong” but instead belong to the group that is glad that they sin a lot less than other men.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
It’s always difficult to know how to respond to those who judge themselves as yielding to sin less often than others, who definitely don’t say with Paul that they are the “chief of those who do wrong” but instead belong to the group that is glad that they sin a lot less than other men.
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Yes Apostle Paul is the chief hypocrite for hypocrites to follow, being the chief of sinners.

Or, He was that chief and became the new chief of good example. ( non sin)

2 choices, follow peoples predicted great swelling words of vanity, or the good examples of the good things of the Gospel of Christ.




1 Titus 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.


1 Corinthians 4:11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.



2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
It’s always difficult to know how to respond to those who judge themselves as yielding to sin less often than others, who definitely don’t say with Paul that they are the “chief of those who do wrong” but instead belong to the group that is glad that they sin a lot less than other men.
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When Paul said that he was the chief of sinners, he was speaking of the fact that he was "before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious..." (1 Timothy 1:13).

And as for me, I am not glad that I sin less than other men...I would much rather have it that other men also sin less.
 
justbyfaith said:
When Paul said that he was the chief of sinners, he was speaking of the fact that he was "before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious..." (1 Timothy 1:13).

And as for me, I am not glad that I sin less than other men...I would much rather have it that other men also sin less.
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Other men will have it that they also sin less, and also have it that other men ( you) sin much less too.



2 Corinthians 10:18 For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.


Proverbs 27: Boast not thyself of to morrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.
2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.


James 4:13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.
16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.
17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
 
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