Can you continue to knowingly sin and remain a Christian?

[justbyfaith]

I have been made dead to the Law.

So, you don't have any moral compass then?

On what do you base morality, if not the law of God?

 

[Hopeful]

I wish that were true, but there are compelling forces at work in our flesh and in the world that cause us to commit sin we had no intention or desire to commit. But as we mature, we learn through knowledge to master those compelling forces and get tricked by them less and less.

So your old, now dead lusts, (Gal 5:24), are more powerful than the Holy Spirit within you?
That is what you are saying.

 

[Hopeful]

However, you don't maintain it by works, law-keeping, obedience, or personal merits.

I'm not just sitting on my hands in the dark.
Are you?

 

[Hopeful]

So, you don't have any moral compass then?

On what do you base morality, if not the law of God?

I have the Holy Ghost within me, not to mention a God given conscience.

 

[justbyfaith]

I'm not just sitting on my hands in the dark.
Are you?

Our salvation is by faith in the beginning, by faith in the end, and by faith all the way through (Romans 1:17, Galatians 3:1-3, Colossians 2:6)

 

[justbyfaith]

I have the Holy Ghost within me, not to mention a God given conscience.

Thank you.

So you are saying what I said before, and which you disputed, that because we are led of the Spirit, we are not under the law (Galatians 5:18).

 

[Hopeful]

Our salvation is by faith in the beginning, by faith in the end, and by faith all the way through (Romans 1:17, Galatians 3:1-3, Colossians 2:6)

Men can't live without sinning without faith.

 

[justbyfaith]

It should be clear that if I sin according to 1 John 3:4's definition, that there is no condemnation because of Galatians 5:18, if I am walking according to the Spirit.

For to not wear tzitzit and tallit, or to not blow the chofar on the new moon, would be to sin according to 1 John 3:4's definition of sin.

 

[Hopeful]

Thank you.

So you are saying what I said before, and which you disputed, that because we are led of the Spirit, we are not under the law (Galatians 5:18).

Not sure I would dispute that, but with all the posts going on perhaps you mixed my answers up with Jeth'.

 

[justbyfaith]

Men can't live without sinning without faith.

We are justified by faith, if we do not waver in believing God's promises (especially the one in 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24)...see Romans 4:20-25. If I have not yet obtained the practical outworking of that promise (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24) within my life, I am still justified because I am looking forward to its fulfillment in my life.

 

[justbyfaith]

Right, we are dead to the Law of Moses' circumcision, dietary rules, tithing, sabbath keeping, etc.

We are also dead to (not under, delivered from) the ten commandments and every other law, as concerning condemnation.

We are under the law to Christ as concerning obedience.

 

[justbyfaith]

Not sure I would dispute that, but with all the posts going on perhaps you mixed my answers up with Jeth'.

see post #596 (https://christianforums.net/threads...sin-and-remain-a-christian.97836/post-1785736) in context of what I said before it, in post #576 (https://christianforums.net/threads...sin-and-remain-a-christian.97836/post-1785591).

 

[justbyfaith]

see post #596 (https://christianforums.net/threads...sin-and-remain-a-christian.97836/post-1785736) in context of what I said before it, in post #576 (https://christianforums.net/threads...sin-and-remain-a-christian.97836/post-1785591).

Also post # 603 (https://christianforums.net/threads...sin-and-remain-a-christian.97836/post-1785745).

 

[justbyfaith]

You're kidding yourself if you think Romans 2:13 means it is possible to be justified (made righteous) by the law.

We certainly cannot be justified by the law.

However, if we are justified by grace, we can be justified according to the law because of grace.

This should be clear when we read the following.

Rom 3:21, But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed (attested to) by the law and the prophets;

Here, we are not justified by the law; however the law and the prophets attest to the fact that it is, in fact, the righteousness of God, in practicality, that is given to us.

It becomes more clear when we realize that there is no law that condemns behaviour that is in accordance with bearing the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23).

Therefore, we inadvertently become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven when we receive the Spirit and begin to walk according to His fruits.

 

[justbyfaith]

No, but we still sin every day, every single one of us. We may sin less as we mature in the faith, but we will not stop sinning until we attain perfection, which will not happen in this life.

I simply command those words to fall to the ground.

 

[justbyfaith]

Ok, and isn't it nice that since the gifts of repentance from sin and rebirth from God's seed we can fulfil that law perfectly?

Can we? it seems that you have been making excuses about the fact that you don't keep it perfectly by saying that you are dead to the law.

The fact that you don't wear tzitzit and tallit or blow the chofar on the new moon means that you don't keep the law perfectly.

That's why we need the blood of Jesus.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

normally, when we point the finger at someone else, there are three fingers pointing back at us (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

I showed you beyond a shadow of a doubt that to transgress the law is not always sin, and that's why John did not say transgression of the law is sin, but rather, sin is transgression of the law. What's keeping you from saying, "yeah, I see that, now?"

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Can we? it seems that you have been making excuses about the fact that you don't keep it perfectly by saying that you are dead to the law.

The fact that you don't wear tzitzit and tallit or blow the chofar on the new moon means that you don't keep the law perfectly.

That's why we need the blood of Jesus.

The ceremonial law is not needed to draw close to God anymore. We have already been brought near to God through faith in Christ. And so that law has been laid aside. That's why you don't have to perform laws of worship to do what is already done in Christ. But if you think you have to continue to keep it, that's what YOU have to do, not us.

 

[justbyfaith]

I showed you beyond a shadow of a doubt that to transgress the law is not always sin, and that's why John did not say transgression of the law is sin, but rather, sin is transgression of the law. What's keeping you from saying, "yeah, I see that, now?"

You didn't show that to me. Your argument had to do with something in the law that has been done away with.

You are not understanding that with a change in priesthood came a change of law (Hebrews 7:12).

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You didn't show that to me. Your argument had to do with something in the law that has been done away with.

You are not understanding that with a change in priesthood came a change of law (Hebrews 7:12).

Like I say, you are a horrible mess of contradiction and it comes across as being antagonistic, so I'll not be responding to posts where I sense that antagonism.