So am I. However, neither you nor I are justified through the keeping of His words.
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Can you continue to knowingly sin and remain a Christian?
Jethro Bodine
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The seed doesn't. The flesh does.
Read your Bible!
Jethro Bodine
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No, you've made it clear that it is so you can become a saved person. You've made this abundantly clear to me in our discussions. That is the works justification gospel condemned in scripture.
Jethro Bodine
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I grasp fully that sin does not come from the seed of God. It comes from and dwells in the flesh. Read your Bible!
Jethro Bodine
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What does Paul's second visit to the Corinthians have to do with this second blessing of whole sanctification you talk about?
"No", and then paraphrase what I wrote?
If the "flesh" is still alive, it wasn't destroyed and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:6,4)
Gal 5:24..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."
His justification of me is manifested by my keeping of His words.
His justification of me cannot be manifested by disobeying His words.
Seed can only bring forth after itself.
Liars, thieves, and adulterers are not reborn of God's seed.
To say otherwise, is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
I will not usurp God's final judgement with a self-declared salvation.
I can't even claim "conversion" if I don't manifest a conversion.
2 Corinthians 1:15 is an evidentiary text in scripture that there is a second benefit; while I would not classify it as a proof text.
Since the scriptures are inspired, we can sometimes take from them an understanding that supersedes the immediate and cultural context. They are intended to be understood spiritually.
So, in combining 2 Corinthians 1:15 with 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24, I determine that entire sanctification is a second benefit that is afforded to the believer who is already justified.
For if it is a first benefit, one might come to the conclusion that 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 is salvation itself and that one cannot be saved apart from being wholly sanctified.
So, you can reject the idea that 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 is a second benefit if you like;
But I say to you truly that now your only option is to believe that it is a first benefit and that it is salvation itself;
And that therefore a man is not saved unless he has been wholly sanctified.
You appeared to be contending for the idea that love is all is needed apart from keeping the commandments. I simply mentioned that if you truly love, you will obey the commandments.
They are inseparable.
Jethro Bodine
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I think you have a distorted understanding of what it means to seek to be perfect. You're looking at it in the big picture, like a GPA, when you should be looking at it like how you're going to score on your next test.
Strive to be perfect in the next circumstance of life that requires it, and the next one after that, and then the next one. Stop thinking about perfection as a status level you achieve in life. That is a misguided and unuseful view of the perfection that we are called to.
Jethro Bodine
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The authority of the flesh is what has died. It's not a literal death of the flesh...obviously.
Now, the flesh can only lie to you that it has the authority and power over you that it once did to make you do what it wants.
Jethro Bodine
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You are misusing the analogy.
In the Parable of the Soil there are other things growing where the word is also planted.
Jethro Bodine
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It isn't a self declared salvation. The Bible tells us how to know that we are saved.
It's scary how you twist and reject so many plain teachings in the Bible. Truly scary.
Jethro Bodine
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And yet you denied this when asked about it. That's why I say you are a mess of contradiction.
A person is saved the moment they believe in and receive the gospel message. You do not have to achieve entire outward sanctification to be saved. That is a lie. You serve a false works justification gospel.
Jethro Bodine
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KEPT blameless, not made blameless. You're working to achieve what you already have and which you got the moment you believed.
We must walk in God's holiness and righteousness to be a Saint worthy of Heaven.
Romans 13
[8] Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
[11] And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
[12] The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
[13] Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
[14] But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof. - (KJV)
Romans 13
[8] Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
[11] And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
[12] The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
[13] Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
[14] But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof. - (KJV)
Jethro Bodine
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Anybody who is not seeking after righteousness is simply not a believer for it to matter.