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Only those left alive are caught up so that they may also be clothed with immortality. The last day of this age. The 1000 years is the age to come. Don't know why God has the 1000 years as that reason wasn't given. But we do know the nations will be ruled by Jesus. And Jesus has promised in Rev 2 those who overcome will rule with Him.

Ask me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You will break them with a rod of iron
you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”

We do know the gathering of the saints will be from the end of the heavens to the end of the earth. One resurrection of us and all with those left alive on earth.

Therefore those not raised on this day must be those who suffer.
(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

So I believe as written.
Scripture only speaks of one resurrection in John 5:28-29 as being the last day when Christ returns. Here is my understanding with the scriptures.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, Rev 19:11-21, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (one resurrection, two different judgements)

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

2 Thessalonians 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father the Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth; 4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: 5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

When I read all the scriptures of Jesus sitting at the right hand of God and these scriptures that speak about the judgement of Christ, the Great White throne judgement where God is sitting on the throne and the books that are opened, Matthew 25:31-34; John 5:27-29; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Rev 11:18; Rev 20:4-6; Rev 20:11, 12, this makes me believe that at the Great White Throne judgement God will be sitting on His throne and Jesus is there seated at Gods right hand now on His throne of glory. All (saints and sinners) have been called from their graves (one resurrection) and the sheep are then separated from the goats as the sheep, being those of God and His Son will stand before the judgement seat of Christ as they have been given their new glorified bodies and their names found in the book of life. They will then be judged for their good works they did as being the continued works of the Lord being in Gods will and receive their crown rewards and their inheritance of the Kingdom of God. The goats being those who are not Gods will be judged out of the other books and their judgement is that of rejecting God and His Son and their punishment is being cast into the lake of fire.

Scripture never speaks of two resurrections, but only one resurrection, John 5:28, 29 and a second death being that of death and hell being cast into the lake of fire, Rev 20:14, 15. There are two separate judgements, but only one resurrection as all will occur at the same time at the Great White Throne Judgement then will God renew the heaven and earth and usher down the New Jerusalem.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.

A 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.
 
Randy
I think a comment or 12 may be in order.
Can I make them in order? Probably not organized and sensible in order.

for_his_glory is making an orderly statement of the One Major Resurrection of Living and Dead Associated with The Great White Throne Judgement at The Last Trump.

That does not mean that the judgements of Moses, the Prophets, Solomon, did not exist.

It does not mean that looking at all the instances of resurrections of the dead individually, the corporate mini resurrection at the death and resurrection of Jesus do not exist.

It does not mean that we do not look at all this from how Jesus sees all this. Or from the shadowy prophets viewpoint.

All this can swim before our vision. If the world can not contain all that can be written about Jesus, then where will all this conversation be placed?

I actually am for looking into all this. I just realize we do see through a glass darkly. Some people clearer than others. The symbolism I tend to see complicates things and helps at the same time.

We can all speak one after the other. Can we have different viewpoints? Yes. Can I be blind in an area? Regretfully yes. Will I if wrong listen to correction? I hope so.

Mississippi Redneck
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Scripture only speaks of one resurrection in John 5:28-29 as being the last day when Christ returns. Here is my understanding with the scriptures.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, Rev 19:11-21, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (one resurrection, two different judgements)

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

2 Thessalonians 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father the Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth; 4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: 5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

When I read all the scriptures of Jesus sitting at the right hand of God and these scriptures that speak about the judgement of Christ, the Great White throne judgement where God is sitting on the throne and the books that are opened, Matthew 25:31-34; John 5:27-29; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Rev 11:18; Rev 20:4-6; Rev 20:11, 12, this makes me believe that at the Great White Throne judgement God will be sitting on His throne and Jesus is there seated at Gods right hand now on His throne of glory. All (saints and sinners) have been called from their graves (one resurrection) and the sheep are then separated from the goats as the sheep, being those of God and His Son will stand before the judgement seat of Christ as they have been given their new glorified bodies and their names found in the book of life. They will then be judged for their good works they did as being the continued works of the Lord being in Gods will and receive their crown rewards and their inheritance of the Kingdom of God. The goats being those who are not Gods will be judged out of the other books and their judgement is that of rejecting God and His Son and their punishment is being cast into the lake of fire.

Scripture never speaks of two resurrections, but only one resurrection, John 5:28, 29 and a second death being that of death and hell being cast into the lake of fire, Rev 20:14, 15. There are two separate judgements, but only one resurrection as all will occur at the same time at the Great White Throne Judgement then will God renew the heaven and earth and usher down the New Jerusalem.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.

A 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.
Clearly there is one resurrection of the righteous and one resurrection of the unrighteous. What was well known and taught about the resurrection of the righteous is that it is from the ends of the heavens. ALL There are saints noted in the 1st Resurrection therefore those not raised on that day must be those who suffer.

rev 20
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

The rest of the dead did not come to life is NOT a symbolic statement. There is only one resurrection of the righteous.

I don't see 1000 years as symbolic but as stated.
 
And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

Bound to keep from leading the nations astray is NOT a symbolic statement.
The Nations Jesus will be ruling over those 1000 years.
 
Since, with such discrepancies of opinions, as in many things, I've adopted the wait and see philosophy.
There is no reason not to believe God in what He gave us. Some don't believe in the two witnesses as people in Rev 11 even though their bodies lay in the street for 3-1/2 days as the wicked take joy. Some don't believe in the New Jerusalem even with all the dimensions given with gates and foundations named.

1000 years is a very specific time frame stated several times. That to me is truth from God.
 
Personally, I believe the 2 witnesses are 2 people, and I believe the 1,000 years is a 1,000 years. There are things that unless the Lord gives me direct revelation on, I see as ambiguous.
My days of taking another person's view on anything are long gone. I do believe that the 144,000 of the 12 tribes is a literal number and I do believe that they are the bride of Messiah. I believe these 2 things as they are in my spirit to believe them.
 
Personally, I believe the 2 witnesses are 2 people, and I believe the 1,000 years is a 1,000 years. There are things that unless the Lord gives me direct revelation on, I see as ambiguous.
My days of taking another person's view on anything are long gone. I do believe that the 144,000 of the 12 tribes is a literal number and I do believe that they are the bride of Messiah. I believe these 2 things as they are in my spirit to believe them.
Its good to believe God though I see all of those in Christ as the bride.

Have you considered that the descendants of those who first believed, Jews, if they remained in the faith would most likely be call Christians in this day and age as Jesus is called Christ?
 
Its good to believe God though I see all of those in Christ as the bride.

Have you considered that the descendants of those who first believed, Jews, if they remained in the faith would most likely be call Christians in this day and age as Jesus is called Christ?
As a descendent of Levi and a born-again, Spirit-filled disciple of Yeshua, I see myself as a part of Israel. I also see the church as a part of Israel.
 
As a descendent of Levi and a born-again, Spirit-filled disciple of Yeshua, I see myself as a part of Israel. I also see the church as a part of Israel.
If anyone is in Christ they are the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise.

And the covenant Jesus introduced in Israel first isn't entered by linage but by faith.

children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

As Jesus told Israel's teacher Nicodemus he needed to be born of the Spirit or he wouldn't enter the Kingdom of God.

The same for Jew and gentile. Grace through faith in Jesus.

And to all those who believed in Jesus "God" gave the right that they should be called the children of God. Such a persons praise is from God not man.
 
We are one in Messiah, though I see that Yah has different sub-purposes for different parts of His congregation.
For instance, I believe that I am primarily called to Ephraim, aka the house of Israel.
 
Clearly there is one resurrection of the righteous and one resurrection of the unrighteous. What was well known and taught about the resurrection of the righteous is that it is from the ends of the heavens. ALL There are saints noted in the 1st Resurrection therefore those not raised on that day must be those who suffer.

rev 20
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

The rest of the dead did not come to life is NOT a symbolic statement. There is only one resurrection of the righteous.

I don't see 1000 years as symbolic but as stated.
I know we disagree on this and that's alright as we are all still learning and maybe will never understand certain things in full. This is how I understand the time of Christ return as I see all things happening very quickly on the last day when Christ returns.

After the 3 1/2 years of this Luciferian reign on earth that will wear out the saints then every eye will see Christ coming in the clouds with His army of angels that are then sent out to gather those saints who are alive at His coming and those who sleep in their graves. We are gathered up to the clouds as we receive our new glorified bodies in order to meet Jesus in the air. From the air He destroys the beast and false prophet by the brightness of His coming only speaking their destruction casting them into the lake of fire. Satan is bound for a time as Jesus sets out to destroy all the nations that followed after the beast. Satan is then released in a final attempt to destroy the saints as he sends his angels out to surround the camp of the saints, but the angels are consumed by fire and Satan cast into the lake of fire. Then comes God's great white throne judgment and the books are opened and all are judged. Then this present heaven and earth are burned up and made new again and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven where we will be with the Lord forever.
 
And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

Bound to keep from leading the nations astray is NOT a symbolic statement.
The Nations Jesus will be ruling over those 1000 years.
Satan being bound is not symbolic, but like the key and the chain I see being symbolic as not being a literal key or a chain, but the meaning of being bound is literal. As far as a literal 1000 years before the New Jerusalem is ushered down after we are caught up to meet Jesus in the air, who at that time cast the beast and the false prophet alive into the lake of fire and slaying all those world leaders that followed after the beast, why would God have us wait another 1000 years before setting Satan loose for a time.

Sorry, I just can not comprehend this literal 1000 years, but that's just my understanding. Could be wrong tough.
 
As a descendent of Levi and a born-again, Spirit-filled disciple of Yeshua, I see myself as a part of Israel. I also see the church as a part of Israel.
I too am a descendent of the tribe of Levi as I am 0.06% Jewish but according to Galatians 3:26-29 we are all one in Christ through faith in Him so I do not identify myself as being part Jewish, but fully in Christ. Rev 7:1-8 teaches about the 144,000 from each tribe of Israel up to a 1000 generations that are also of faith in Christ that are His own in the end of days, but they, as well as the Gentiles, are all of faith being a part of Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.
 
For instance, I believe that I am primarily called to Ephraim, aka the house of Israel.
How can you be called to Ephraim if you are from the tribe of Levi?

These servants are the generational 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel, except for the tribe of Dan and Ephraim as they fell to idol worship and allowed God to be removed from them, Judges 18:30; 1 Kings12:25-33; Hosea 5:9, 11;Psalms 78:9-17, 65-67. To keep it twelve tribes since Dan and Ephraim are not mentioned in vs. 4-8 the tribe of Joseph appears twice, once under his own name and once under the name of his son Issachar/Manasseh. Judah is mentioned first as Messiah was to come from the lineage of David.​
 
Satan being bound is not symbolic, but like the key and the chain I see being symbolic as not being a literal key or a chain, but the meaning of being bound is literal. As far as a literal 1000 years before the New Jerusalem is ushered down after we are caught up to meet Jesus in the air, who at that time cast the beast and the false prophet alive into the lake of fire and slaying all those world leaders that followed after the beast, why would God have us wait another 1000 years before setting Satan loose for a time.

Sorry, I just can not comprehend this literal 1000 years, but that's just my understanding. Could be wrong tough.
Likewise why wouldn't God throw Satan in the lake of fire with the beast and false prophet? Why bind Him at all? I don't see a need if there is no 1000 years. But since there is a period of time that those not of Christ are on the earth with Jesus and the saints and God has decreed peace on earth in that period of time He binds the one who leads the whole earth astray. So just the time period is not literal?
 
This is how I understand Rev 19:11 through 20:1-10

Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 19:11-21 Jesus descends down from heaven with His army of the host (angels) of heaven as while remaining in the air He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him. He will destroy the beast and false prophet casting them alive into the lake of fire, Rev 19:15, 16. The remnant in Rev 19:21 are the world leaders of every nation on the earth that have followed after the beast that rules their government. The remnant will be slain by the very words Jesus speaks of their damnation as the fowls will be filled with their flesh and at that time Satan will be chained and bound so he can not interfere with the ungodly people that are still alive on earth that become the footstool of Christ. Then the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and He shall reign for ever and the saints will begin to rule over the nations here on earth, Rev 11:15; 5:10; 20:1-3; Matthew 5:5.

Rev 20:7-10 Those that have rejected Christ that still remain on earth after the beast, false prophet and all the ruling leaders from every nation that followed after the beast are destroyed are those who are the numbering as the sand of the sea. These are the enemy of God that Satan uses to battle against the saints during the battle of Armageddon that are camped upon the breadth of the earth after Satan is released for a season, Psalms 2:7-10; 110; Ezekiel 36; 37; Rev 20:7-9. The saints are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth. It's only the 144,000 generational Jews that believe in Christ that have returned to Jerusalem. After the 1000 years are fulfilled Satan is set loosed for a season and goes out to deceive the nations as he gathers the enemies of Christ to battle against the saints as the numbering of unbelievers is like the sand of the sea. As the enemy surrounds the camp of the saints God sends fire down from heaven and destroys the enemy and Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Zechariah 14; Luke 21:20-22 and Rev 16:16 mentions the battle of Armageddon when Christ and His army of angels return as Christ plants His feet on the mount of Olives for the final battle as Gog and Magog found in Ezekiel Chapter 38 is the battle of Rev 20:7-9.

(IMO 1000 years is a figurative number, not a literal number. It is figurative like the numbering in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.)
 
I am sure all of you have noticed many post have been deleted because they have no relevance to the topic of the OP. If this keeps up time out bans from this thread will be given.
 
This is how I understand Rev 19:11 through 20:1-10

Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 19:11-21 Jesus descends down from heaven with His army of the host (angels) of heaven as while remaining in the air He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him. He will destroy the beast and false prophet casting them alive into the lake of fire, Rev 19:15, 16. The remnant in Rev 19:21 are the world leaders of every nation on the earth that have followed after the beast that rules their government. The remnant will be slain by the very words Jesus speaks of their damnation as the fowls will be filled with their flesh and at that time Satan will be chained and bound so he can not interfere with the ungodly people that are still alive on earth that become the footstool of Christ. Then the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and He shall reign for ever and the saints will begin to rule over the nations here on earth, Rev 11:15; 5:10; 20:1-3; Matthew 5:5.

Rev 20:7-10 Those that have rejected Christ that still remain on earth after the beast, false prophet and all the ruling leaders from every nation that followed after the beast are destroyed are those who are the numbering as the sand of the sea. These are the enemy of God that Satan uses to battle against the saints during the battle of Armageddon that are camped upon the breadth of the earth after Satan is released for a season, Psalms 2:7-10; 110; Ezekiel 36; 37; Rev 20:7-9. The saints are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth. It's only the 144,000 generational Jews that believe in Christ that have returned to Jerusalem. After the 1000 years are fulfilled Satan is set loosed for a season and goes out to deceive the nations as he gathers the enemies of Christ to battle against the saints as the numbering of unbelievers is like the sand of the sea. As the enemy surrounds the camp of the saints God sends fire down from heaven and destroys the enemy and Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Zechariah 14; Luke 21:20-22 and Rev 16:16 mentions the battle of Armageddon when Christ and His army of angels return as Christ plants His feet on the mount of Olives for the final battle as Gog and Magog found in Ezekiel Chapter 38 is the battle of Rev 20:7-9.

(IMO 1000 years is a figurative number, not a literal number. It is figurative like the numbering in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.)
Why do you think only the 144,000 will be in Jerusalem?
IF you are in Christ you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise.

What did God promise Abraham?

Year after year suggests prolonged habitation between the people of God and the nations who Jesus and His own rule over.

Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
 
Why do you think only the 144,000 will be in Jerusalem?
IF you are in Christ you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise.

What did God promise Abraham?

Year after year suggests prolonged habitation between the people of God and the nations who Jesus and His own rule over.

Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
Revelation 7:1-8
John is given another vision after these things, meaning after the first six seals that are revealed to him. He now sees four angels standing on the four corners of the earth holding the four winds of the earth in order that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree until Gods servants were sealed.

These servants are the generational 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel, except for the tribe of Dan and Ephraim as they fell to idol worship and allowed God to be removed from them, Judges 18:30; 1 Kings12:25-33; Hosea 5:9, 11;Psalms 78:9-17, 65-67. To keep it twelve tribes since Dan and Ephraim are not mentioned in vs. 4-8 the tribe of Joseph appears twice, once under his own name and once under the name of his son Issachar/Manasseh. Judah is mentioned first as Messiah was to come from the lineage of David.

This is the importance of the 144,000 of the house of Israel and their generations unto the end of days. There were those of the old covenant that were faithful to God in keeping all his commandments and repented of their idol worshipping. Their generations who have also come back to God's grace that are still alive during the seven trumpet sounds will continue to preach to the Jews as it was with the twelve disciples in Matthew 10:6. The generations of the 144,000 that are still alive have the seal of God on them which are the seven Spirits of God as they will have to endure much persecution until the end of days before the return of Jesus.
(Seven Spirits of God are found in Isaiah 11:2 and mentioned in Rev 1:4. Spirit of the Lord, wisdom, understanding, counsel, power, knowledge and fear/respect of the Lord.)

Zechariah 14; Luke 21:20-22 and Rev 16:16 mentions the battle of Armageddon when Christ and His army of angels return as Christ plants His feet on the mount of Olives for the final battle as Gog and Magog found in Ezekiel Chapter 38 is the battle of Rev 20:7-9.

This is just my opinion as I haven't really taken the time to study the Feast of Tabernacles yet correlating it to the time when Jesus plants His feet on the Mount of Olives.

IMO, As far as the Feast of Tabernacles when Christ returns and plants His feet on the Mount of Olives I see this as a day of celebrating our thanksgiving like that of the exodus where the Jews celebrated, but every year with building the booths for shelter and the festivals in celebration. Now that the Tabernacle of God dwells in us as we being the Temple of God we will be celebrating our exodus from this evil world giving thanksgiving unto the Lord when the kingdoms of this world will have become the kingdoms of our Lord.

BTW, even though the festivals are a good topic to discuss, it needs to be done in a new thread. When I have time I will sit down and study this as I really never understood the relation to the end of days.
 
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