Thank God for His Wisdom and help with that sort of an issue.The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11–12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13–14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them.
Yet another objection to this interpretation of women in pastoral ministry is in relation to women who held positions of leadership in the Bible, specifically Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament. It is true that these women were chosen by God for special service to Him and that they stand as models of faith, courage, and, yes, leadership. However, the authority of women in the Old Testament is not relevant to the issue of pastors in the church. The New Testament Epistles present a new paradigm for God’s people—the church, the body of Christ—and that paradigm involves an authority structure unique to the church, not for the nation of Israel or any other Old Testament entity.
Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. Priscilla’s name is mentioned first, perhaps indicating that she was more prominent in ministry than her husband. Did Priscilla and her husband teach the gospel of Jesus Christ to Apollos? Yes, in their home they “explained to him the way of God more adequately” (Acts 18:26). Does the Bible ever say that Priscilla pastored a church or taught publicly or became the spiritual leader of a congregation of saints? No. As far as we know, Priscilla was not involved in ministry activity in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11–14.
In Romans 16:1, Phoebe is called a “deacon” (or “servant”) in the church and is highly commended by Paul. But, as with Priscilla, there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that Phoebe was a pastor or a teacher of men in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not for deacons (1 Timothy 3:1–13; Titus 1:6–9).
The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11–14 makes the reason why women cannot be pastors perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for,” giving the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11–12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived” (verses 13–14). God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. The order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22–33) and in the church.
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This is a very unfair assessment on your part as how do you know who God has called, anointed and equipped to teach His word. Why do you not show forth the fruits of the Spirit, but would rather use sarcasm and criticize others for what they believe. What you are displaying is a chauvinist attitude towards women by even starting this thread, or for that matter anyone who does not agree with you. Do you really think this is being pleasing to the Father and being about His business by the idol words you babble on about?
So glad to see we can agree that babbling in church is not productive.
Blessings.
Prophesying is not always about future end time events, but also for edification, exhortation and comfort as only the Holy Spirit can give what needs to be spoken to the body of Christ or an individual. Rev chapter 2-3 is a great example of prophecy given to the church.
1Cor 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
Using 1 Timothy 2:11-14 as a stand alone scripture is like using 1Timothy 2:4 that only men can be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth. It takes the whole of scriptures to understand what has been written in one.The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11–12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13–14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them.
Yet another objection to this interpretation of women in pastoral ministry is in relation to women who held positions of leadership in the Bible, specifically Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament. It is true that these women were chosen by God for special service to Him and that they stand as models of faith, courage, and, yes, leadership. However, the authority of women in the Old Testament is not relevant to the issue of pastors in the church. The New Testament Epistles present a new paradigm for God’s people—the church, the body of Christ—and that paradigm involves an authority structure unique to the church, not for the nation of Israel or any other Old Testament entity.
Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. Priscilla’s name is mentioned first, perhaps indicating that she was more prominent in ministry than her husband. Did Priscilla and her husband teach the gospel of Jesus Christ to Apollos? Yes, in their home they “explained to him the way of God more adequately” (Acts 18:26). Does the Bible ever say that Priscilla pastored a church or taught publicly or became the spiritual leader of a congregation of saints? No. As far as we know, Priscilla was not involved in ministry activity in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11–14.
In Romans 16:1, Phoebe is called a “deacon” (or “servant”) in the church and is highly commended by Paul. But, as with Priscilla, there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that Phoebe was a pastor or a teacher of men in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not for deacons (1 Timothy 3:1–13; Titus 1:6–9).
The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11–14 makes the reason why women cannot be pastors perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for,” giving the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11–12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived” (verses 13–14). God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. The order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22–33) and in the church.
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Seems to me that these are characteristics of a prophet and not necessarily the definition of a prophet. Like a good man helps the poor but not all those that help the poor are 'good men'. Rhetorical question: Is Joel Osteen a prophet? He does edify, exhort and comfort Christians.
I suppose a prophet must announce he/she has communication from God and then give the message. I theorize that a prophet can give prophecy which is infallible and he could later give opinion that is fallible and thus the need to say the message is from God.
Aside: Would be nice to have a God inspired dictionary in the Bible.
Seems a precise, agreed to definition is not to be found.Prophecy is not always genuine. It can easily sound interesting, but is most often just human ambition. Vague at best. The Holy Spirit is most grieved when He is falsely misrepresented, even in sincerity.
And, since prophecy can alwsys be time tested, it is always about the future.
Busy hearts seize upon uncertainties in the Bible to stay busy.Seems to me that these are characteristics of a prophet and not necessarily the definition of a prophet. Like a good man helps the poor but not all those that help the poor are 'good men'. Rhetorical question: Is Joel Osteen a prophet? He does edify, exhort and comfort Christians.
I suppose a prophet must announce he/she has communication from God and then give the message. I theorize that a prophet can give prophecy which is infallible and he could later give opinion that is fallible and thus the need to say the message is from God.
Aside: Would be nice to have a God inspired dictionary in the Bible.
Joel Osteen prophesies unto his own ideas, in that he will be judged by his own words. Just as were the Pharisees.
I never said I was a prophet, but that God has used me to give His prophecy over the church a few times. You make it very hard for anyone to be gracious towards you when all you use is sarcasm in most of your replies and in this thread you demean women as everyone here sees this attitude of yours. I have no need to defend, but to only give the whole of that which has already been written, but yet you reject the whole counsel of God's word in the full understanding.
Agreed
I don't take it as a stand alone scripture. It is a didactic (intended to teach) verse and should be given emphasis for that reason as opposed to narrative or poetic scripture. IT CAN'T BE IGNORED. God doesn't contradict himself. Now, one can explain the verse in regards to allowing women to teach men by saying "that was a cultural thing" in that time period ... that would be an explanation that would eliminates what seems to be contradiction if one believes women should teach men. You have yet to make 1 Tim 2:11-14 so as to allow women to lead men.
Agreed ... since we know women as saved from elsewhere in scripture, we know 1 Tim. 2:11-14 does not mean 'men' as in the male sex exclusively.
Aside: This being said, I respect your love for the lord and your knowledge of Him is superior in my opinion.
Hmmm, I suppose if you are a prophetess you can ask for and possibly recieve revelation from God; that He has told you that 1 Timothy 2:11-14 does not mean women cannot be pastor and leaders of men. You got that weapon in your arsenal possibly.
OH, I see you said ... "I never said I was a prophet, but that God has used me to give His prophecy over the church a few times."
I defined prophet to mean .. any one that had a message from God at any time was a prophet. Sorry, if I miscommunicated based on that assumption.
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Okay. I agree you prophesy without being a prophet. Good point.
I do not go by feelings as they can be deceiving, but only that of hearing God speak to me through His Holy Spirit. What alerts me is hearing what God wants me to speak as it has nothing to do with my feelings, but being about His business, which you could never understand.
Do you hear an audible voice from the Holy Spirit?
I would disagree on your definition. Some prophecy is in regards to what will occur in the future. The definition also includes a message from God. Example: God told me we should not eat butter tarts.
( maybe we just disagree on definition)
Neither is your babbling in here very productive, but demeaning towards others, men and women. I see that the intent of this thread you started was possibly aimed at me and with that I will defend myself and all women against chauvinism, but never defend myself when it comes to the word of God and my understanding of it.
Excellent question. How does one know it is God speaking (excluding scripture) or it's one own thoughts?
Like, if God gave me a message in a dream I would need some sort of validation.
Try to think about the statement that all prophecy can be time tested. It is axiomatic.
Ask this: If a prophetic word is given to edify or encourage, and nobody is edified or encouraged by it, then in that interval to identify any effect is not the "prophecy" time tested to be false?
Do not try to theorize about some imaginary delayed effect of the prophecy, whereby its effect cannot be assessed. As well, avoid the trap of circular reasoning by trying to say all prophecy is from God, and since God is never in error, the prophecy cannot be in error.
As well, please take off that Jerry Springer wig before you answer. He was secular Jewish. I meant Jerry Saville.
Thanks for straightening that out.
Please tell me, how do you personally know when another person speaking what appears to be a prophetic word is being accurate and correct?
IMO Joel Osteen is just another money grabbing bandwagon minister who lives rich on the poor mans money. Don't care much for many TV Evangelist. If one is truly indwelled with the Holy Spirit they will know the Spirit of God speaking to them.Seems to me that these are characteristics of a prophet and not necessarily the definition of a prophet. Like a good man helps the poor but not all those that help the poor are 'good men'. Rhetorical question: Is Joel Osteen a prophet? He does edify, exhort and comfort Christians.
I suppose a prophet must announce he/she has communication from God and then give the message. I theorize that a prophet can give prophecy which is infallible and he could later give opinion that is fallible and thus the need to say the message is from God.
Aside: Would be nice to have a God inspired dictionary in the Bible.
Smith's Bible Dictionary - Prophet
Signifies an inspired person, an announcer of the words of another, not from his own influence and will, Exodus 7:1; 4:16, to foretell the future and secret events, and who reveal the will of God. Christ of whom all the prophets bore witness, Luke 24:27, 44, is the Prophet of His Church in all ages revealing to them by His inspired servants, by Himself and by His spirit all we know of God and immortality.
The word Prophet found in scripture:
OT - Numbers 11:29; 12:6; Deuteronomy13:1; 18:15; 34:10; 1 Samuel 10:12; 2 Kings 5:8; 2 Chronicles 20:20Psalms 74:9; Jeremiah 29:26; Hosea 9:7; Amos 7:14
NT- Matthew 7:15; 10:41; 13:57; 23:29; Luke 1:76; 4:24; 7:16, 28; 13:33; 24:19; John 4:19, 44; 7:40, 52; 1 Corinthians 12:29;14:37; Ephesians 2:20; 4:11; Revelation 22:9
Well, after a few preliminary questions, the default explanation is that the person claiming to prophesy is "fully committed in my heart to serving and submitting to God by releasing His Word." Or some such go to explanation.
These days as the Young Church continues conforming to the world's mindset, they think if anything can be verbalized, even agreed upon, and even nicely chatted about, then it has to be true. That is why they compulsively explain so many things when together over coffee and muffins. They all think like little muffins. They avoid the tough issues until the issues are unavoidably in their face, and then they throw up their emotions and walk away.
Lol.