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Not that I am defending wayseer, but what words were added when he quoted your post? It looks identical to your original post.
He has inserted, "I've given my response but I'll find out" as if I wrote that. Take a look at my post; I made it crystal clear that my interpretation was mine alone but this makes it look as if I am backing down.
We could assume that it was just his innocent typing error but, as it changes my meaning, it needs to be removed.
God did not write the Qur'an.
Not only do you pervert the doctrine of Christ you pervert the Qur'an.
4:24 says nothing of the sort.
He has inserted, "I've given my response but I'll find out" as if I wrote that. Take a look at my post; I made it crystal clear that my interpretation was mine alone but this makes it look as if I am backing down.
We could assume that it was just his innocent typing error but, as it changes my meaning, it needs to be removed.
How do I pervert the doctrine of Christ?
God did not write the Quaran
The whole Islamic religion was founded on hatred towards Jews and Christians
as Arab countries from the time of Ishmael on up the lineage to Mohammed have always tried to destroy Israel.
If you think a religion that believes and carries out it's Sharia Law and has a self proclaimed prophet named Mohammed who was a thief, rapist and murderer, but hid it under the name of religion, and only thinks Christ was nothing more than a prophet of God but is dead and in his grave then you go right ahead and defend their religion. I can't think of any other religion that would actually kill those followers who left in order to come to Gods grace by that of receiving Christ as their Lord and Savior.
You take a text or two out of context, add something of your own and then highlight something that has no real basis. If you want any examples go to and of the numerous Christian hate Islam sites and see it gets used.
Nor the biblical texts.
Quite the opposite. The animosity that developed later involved Jew, Christians and pagan Arabs which have historical and tribal/clan roots.
Hang about. Was it not Joshua who moved his army across the Jordan and invade an otherwise peacefully Palestine (Canaan)? You have a slippery grip on history.
Again you seem to forget history somewhat conveniently. Have you read what the so-called Crusaders did to Jews, women and children? And that was before they even got to Jerusalem. The Spanish Inquisition, which had the task of dispossessing Jews and Muslims, along with their sympathisers, of their property and wealth all in the name of God, was no finally stopped until the mid 19 century.
Don't wave your hate banner in front of me.
I can give you many texts out of the Quaran that comes against God, but you would only say I was taking it out of context so I will not waste my time posting them. And no, it's not a cop out as it would only be me banging my head against the wall debating you on this.
I think you need to read Joshua as you will see that God instructed him and his army to take back the promised land of Canaan that was taken over by Gods enemies.
Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Hivites, and the Perizzites, and the Girga++++es, and the Amorites, and the Jebusites.
We are not talking about the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition or even what the Holocaust did to the Jews as within all of these things even exist that of the same thing Jihad Muslims are doing towards Jews and Christians today as their hatred is fuel by them and has always been since Ishmael who lost his birthright.
Never said I hated Muslims just as God does not hate the sinner, but hates the actions of their sin as we are to pray for our enemies. Maybe you need to do a search on Mohammed just to see who he was even before and after he started his religion. At least when God sent his armies out to defeat the enemy it was for the purpose of keeping His covenant promise to Abraham, but with Mohammed it was for greed an lustful desires of his heart, and I do not only mean lust of women, but lust of anyone's possessions that would make him a wealthy man.
If aimed at me, this is quite amusing. I have had posts removed in the past on the pretext that I was promoting Islam! I have insultingly been called a 'Muslim', an 'Atheist', a 'Communist', a 'Nazi', a 'Liberal', a 'Sinner', 'Wicked', 'Evil', etc by a few fools on this forum, and elsewhere, because I tend to challenge people who spout propaganda and misleading half-truths. That is why I deliberately emphasized that it was my interpretation. I take full responsibility for my errors if and when they are pointed out. If aimed at me, you are thoroughly out of order.It is not the flaws of interpretation that is necessarily of concern - it is the Islamophobia that seeks to find structure for its lies.
This is not an alternative interpretation, it is simply a misleading claim that their standards were different from current standards. Just to emphasize how prevalent rape by soldiers was, and probably still is, here is a line from the 'British Army Officers Manual' at the height of the British Empire.The thing here is that we all too often fall into the trap of imposing 21st century Western values on events happen 1500 odd years ago. ......
I'm just curious about this. You have insultingly been called all these - meaning that you are not any of those or don't like it. Good. Good!!! Apologies on their behalf. However, you are neither a Christian nor a muslim nor an atheist nor a this nor a that...What exactly are you and what exactly is your mission? And you said: you have been insulted elsewhere too. Why are you insulted everywhere and why should people do it for heavens sake:dunnoI have insultingly been called a 'Muslim', an 'Atheist', a 'Communist', a 'Nazi', a 'Liberal', a 'Sinner', 'Wicked', 'Evil', etc by a few fools on this forum, and elsewhere...
I am not any of those. Some people issue insults in the mistaken belief that it helps them make their point. It doesn't, it just makes them look foolish, rather like people who swear rather than think of a more appropriate word.You have insultingly been called all these - meaning that you are not any of those or don't like it. Good. Good!!!
I certainly don't feel a need to fit into any religious group, I have issues with all of them. I am not an atheist, so what does that leave me? You could call me a heretic if you like. Do remember that I have said many times in these fora that I know nothing.However, you are neither a Christian nor a muslim nor an atheist nor a this nor a that...What exactly are you and what exactly is your mission?
Please note that I didn't say 'everywhere', you did. I have discussed religions, primarily Christianity, with several people trying to convince me that they were right and I was wrong. It never ceases to amaze me how angry people become if you don't believe the same as they do. :gah As you no doubt know from these fora, I am not slow to challenge bigotry, misinformation and propaganda. If you do that, and I also do it in the real world, 'nice' people start issuing insults.And you said: you have been insulted elsewhere too. Why are you insulted everywhere and why should people do it for heavens sake:dunno
Guy, you really made my day. This is the funniest stuff I have ever read in ages. You are indeed a Special One (not Mourinho). Wooooow. You are none of those. Then you are a god
If aimed at me, this is quite amusing. I have had posts removed in the past on the pretext that I was promoting Islam! I have insultingly been called a 'Muslim', an 'Atheist', a 'Communist', a 'Nazi', a 'Liberal', a 'Sinner', 'Wicked', 'Evil', etc by a few fools on this forum, and elsewhere, because I tend to challenge people who spout propaganda and misleading half-truths. That is why I deliberately emphasized that it was my interpretation. I take full responsibility for my errors if and when they are pointed out. If aimed at me, you are thoroughly out of order.
This is not an alternative interpretation, it is simply a misleading claim that their standards were different from current standards. Just to emphasize how prevalent rape by soldiers was, and probably still is, here is a line from the 'British Army Officers Manual' at the height of the British Empire.
Rape is still used by soldiers. In places where women are treated as possessions, it is so common that people barely even notice. A recent UN estimate said there were approximately 2.5 million young women being trafficked for the sex trade. So, no, our standards are not very different from the standards of the OT and of the Q'ran.