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Did Jesus take on the sins of the whole world?

Re: People who die having not heard of Christ in last 2000 years


The bible says no ones heart is right so the statement is irrelevant. Romans 3:11-12; Romans 11:32



Possibly ... very rare. I don't want to address rare exceptions and scripture doesn't address them so the evidence is not substantial. Aside: I think it occurs, but rarely.


Agreed. The bible also says NO ONE SEEKS GOD. Rom 3:11 ... therefore the verse is of not practical use.
Aside: It is God that seeks some people analogous to a shepherd seeking lost sheep; the sheep do not seek the shepherd; none of His sheep remain lost (John 6:39)



I've given irrefutable evidence to the contrary. https://www.christiantoday.com/arti...lion.who.have.never.heard.of.jesus/136398.htm
...unless you are teaching another gospel of salvation for those who never hear of Christ.


I agree that I believe this happens to a VERY SMALL percentage of people ... for billions of others it does not happen.
It is both
 
Re: People who die having not heard of Christ in last 2000 years


The bible says no ones heart is right so the statement is irrelevant. Romans 3:11-12; Romans 11:32



Possibly ... very rare. I don't want to address rare exceptions and scripture doesn't address them so the evidence is not substantial. Aside: I think it occurs, but rarely.


Agreed. The bible also says NO ONE SEEKS GOD. Rom 3:11 ... therefore the verse is of not practical use.
Aside: It is God that seeks some people analogous to a shepherd seeking lost sheep; the sheep do not seek the shepherd; none of His sheep remain lost (John 6:39)



I've given irrefutable evidence to the contrary. https://www.christiantoday.com/arti...lion.who.have.never.heard.of.jesus/136398.htm
...unless you are teaching another gospel of salvation for those who never hear of Christ.


I agree that I believe this happens to a VERY SMALL percentage of people ... for billions of others it does not happen.
It is b
God creates/forms the heart. (Man cannot create himself) God is the potter and man is the clay. God forms the clay for various uses. (Romans 9)
 
God has feelings too. That is why he said noone seeks his heart. Not noonne can or has sought his heart.
 
If God tells us to seek his heart then it must be possible.
It is possible, if God causes one to seek Him. One cannot do it with God taking the initiative. (Romans 3:11)
God does give people instructions that are impossible to obey: 1 John 2:1 “My little children, these things I write unto you, that ye sin not”.
 
If there heart is right they will notbgo to hell. Back in the bible days before Jesus the old testament states all the time to look forward to the coming messiah. He reminds them if the covenant God made with Abraham and then David. Now a days people who have never heard will have dreams and visions. I know this to be true. The bible says that if you seek him you will find him. He gives everyone am opportunity.
Citrus, the bible never teaches in any place that all people ever born will be given an opportunity.Where do you think you see this in scripture?
I do see the need for sent ones to go preach.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 
It is possible, if God causes one to seek Him. One cannot do it with God taking the initiative. (Romans 3:11)
God does give people instructions that are impossible to obey: 1 John 2:1 “My little children, these things I write unto you, that ye sin not”.
? What ya mean He gives instructions that are impossible to obey. WITH HIM ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE
 
If God tells us to seek his heart then it must be possible.
It's in Him that He perfects His love in us. SO I AGREE....but if many stay in Romans 7....without moving to Romans 8 then we still dealing with things without having receive the Spirit.

We should move to Romans 8
Where there is NO condemnation for those who are in Christ who walk not after the flesh but the Spirit.
 
He made us in His image. Why can't Fluctuations be part of perfect?
God does not increase, or diminish or he would not be PERFECT.

If you increase, that means you lacked

If you decrease, you could not maintain who and what you are.

God is not a philosophical puzzle, that we use carnal reasoning to solve.

God has revealed Himself in scripture.


Chapter 7 The Immutability of God God is distinguished from His creatures IMMUTABILITY IS ONE OF THE DIVINE PERFECTIONS WHICH is not sufficiently pondered. It is one of the excellencies of the Creator which distinguishes Him from all His creatures. God is perpetually the same: subject to no change in His being, attributes, or determinations. Therefore God is compared to a “Rock” (Deut 32:4, etc.) which remains immovable, when the entire ocean surrounding it is continually in a fluctuating state; even so, though all creatures are subject to change, God is immutable. Because God has no beginning and no ending, He can know no change. He is everlastingly “the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning” (James 1:17). Aspects of God’s immutability First, God is immutable in His essence. His nature and being are infinite, and so, subject to no mutations. There never was a time when He was not; there never will come a time when He shall cease to be. God has neither evolved, grown, nor improved. All that He is today, He has ever been, and ever will be. “I am the LORD, I change not” (Mal 3:6) is His own unqualified affirmation. He cannot change for the better, for He is already perfect; and being perfect, He cannot change for the worse. Altogether unaffected by anything outside Himself, improvement or deterioration is impossible. He is perpetually the same. He only can say, “I AM THAT I AM” (Exo 3:14). He is altogether uninfluenced by the flight of time. There is no wrinkle upon the brow of eternity. Therefore His power can never diminish nor His glory ever fade. Secondly, God is immutable in His attributes. Whatever the attributes of God were before the universe was called into existence, they are precisely the same now, and will remain so for ever. Necessarily so; for they are the very perfections, the essential qualities of His being. Semper idem (always the same) is written across every one of them. His power is unabated, His wisdom undiminished, His holiness unsullied. The attributes of God can no more change than Deity can cease to be. His veracity is immutable, for His Word is “for ever...settled in heaven” (Psa 119:89). His love is eternal: “I have loved thee with an everlasting love” (Jer 31:3) and “Having loved His own which were in the world, He loved them unto the end” (John 13:1). His mercy ceases not, for it is “everlasting” (Psa 100:5). Thirdly, God is immutable in His counsel. His will never varies. Perhaps some are ready to object that we ought to read the following: “And it repented the LORD that He had made man” (Gen 6:6). Our first reply is, Then do the Scriptures contradict themselves? No, that cannot be. Numbers 23:19 is plain enough: “God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent.” So also in I Samuel 15:29, “The Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for He is not a man, that He should repent.” The explanation is very simple. When speaking of Himself, God frequently accommodates His language to our limited capacities. He describes Himself as clothed with bodily members, as eyes, ears, hands, etc. He speaks of Himself as “waking” (Psa 78:65), as “rising up early” (Jer 7:13); yet He neither slumbers nor sleeps. When He institutes a change in His dealings with men, He describes His course of conduct as “repenting.” Yes, God is immutable in His counsel. “The gifts and calling of God are without repentance” (Rom 11:29). It must be so, for “He is in one mind, and who can turn from Him? and what His soul desireth, even that He doeth” (Job 23:13). Change and decay in all around we see, May He who changeth not abide with thee. God’s purpose never alters. One of two things causes a man to change his mind and reverse his plans: want of foresight to anticipate everything, or lack of power to execute them. But as God is both omniscient and omnipotent there is never any need for Him to revise His decrees. No, “The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of His heart to all generations” (Psa 33:11). Therefore do we read of “the immutability of His counsel” (Heb 6:17).
 
? What ya mean He gives instructions that are impossible to obey. WITH HIM ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE
Agreed, with GOD all things are possible; with man not all things are possible

You didn't address my response.
You said God does not ask us to do things we cannot do.
I pointed you to 1 John 2:1 “My little children, these things I write unto you, that ye sin not”.
Since everyone continues to sin, scripture show your statement to be incorrect.
 
Agreed, with GOD all things are possible; with man not all things are possible

You didn't address my response.
You said God does not ask us to do things we cannot do.
I pointed you to 1 John 2:1 “My little children, these things I write unto you, that ye sin not”.
Since everyone continues to sin, scripture show your statement to be incorrect.
Jesus commanded the man with the withered hand to stretch forth his hand.
Jesus commanded the crippled man to rise up and walk.
Jesus commanded lazarus to come of the grave.

These are things they could not do, but were commanded to do them.
 
Every single human can be redeemed through the sacrifice of Jesus. But it is pointed out that many will not choose to accept it. Mat 7:13,14

I'm a Baptist; So if I could have some Baptist answers I'd appreciate it.

So my question is did Jesus die for the sins of the Gentiles are they considered part of the "world"

I know that God told Peter what God had made clean let no man call unclean.

But what scriptures can I refer to that prove He died for the Gentiles as part of the whole world.

If the Gentiles were never under the law then how are they freed from the law they were never under?

But if by freeing the Jews
God does not increase, or diminish or he would not be PERFECT.
Jesus took the form of man...
If you increase, that means you lacked

If you decrease, you could not maintain who and what you are.

God is not a philosophical puzzle, that we use carnal reasoning to solve.

God has revealed Himself in scripture.


Chapter 7 The Immutability of God God is distinguished from His creatures IMMUTABILITY IS ONE OF THE DIVINE PERFECTIONS WHICH is not sufficiently pondered. It is one of the excellencies of the Creator which distinguishes Him from all His creatures. God is perpetually the same: subject to no change in His being, attributes, or determinations. Therefore God is compared to a “Rock” (Deut 32:4, etc.) which remains immovable, when the entire ocean surrounding it is continually in a fluctuating state; even so, though all creatures are subject to change, God is immutable. Because God has no beginning and no ending, He can know no change. He is everlastingly “the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning” (James 1:17). Aspects of God’s immutability First, God is immutable in His essence. His nature and being are infinite, and so, subject to no mutations. There never was a time when He was not; there never will come a time when He shall cease to be. God has neither evolved, grown, nor improved. All that He is today, He has ever been, and ever will be. “I am the LORD, I change not” (Mal 3:6) is His own unqualified affirmation. He cannot change for the better, for He is already perfect; and being perfect, He cannot change for the worse. Altogether unaffected by anything outside Himself, improvement or deterioration is impossible. He is perpetually the same. He only can say, “I AM THAT I AM” (Exo 3:14). He is altogether uninfluenced by the flight of time. There is no wrinkle upon the brow of eternity. Therefore His power can never diminish nor His glory ever fade. Secondly, God is immutable in His attributes. Whatever the attributes of God were before the universe was called into existence, they are precisely the same now, and will remain so for ever. Necessarily so; for they are the very perfections, the essential qualities of His being. Semper idem (always the same) is written across every one of them. His power is unabated, His wisdom undiminished, His holiness unsullied. The attributes of God can no more change than Deity can cease to be. His veracity is immutable, for His Word is “for ever...settled in heaven” (Psa 119:89). His love is eternal: “I have loved thee with an everlasting love” (Jer 31:3) and “Having loved His own which were in the world, He loved them unto the end” (John 13:1). His mercy ceases not, for it is “everlasting” (Psa 100:5). Thirdly, God is immutable in His counsel. His will never varies. Perhaps some are ready to object that we ought to read the following: “And it repented the LORD that He had made man” (Gen 6:6). Our first reply is, Then do the Scriptures contradict themselves? No, that cannot be. Numbers 23:19 is plain enough: “God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent.” So also in I Samuel 15:29, “The Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for He is not a man, that He should repent.” The explanation is very simple. When speaking of Himself, God frequently accommodates His language to our limited capacities. He describes Himself as clothed with bodily members, as eyes, ears, hands, etc. He speaks of Himself as “waking” (Psa 78:65), as “rising up early” (Jer 7:13); yet He neither slumbers nor sleeps. When He institutes a change in His dealings with men, He describes His course of conduct as “repenting.” Yes, God is immutable in His counsel. “The gifts and calling of God are without repentance” (Rom 11:29). It must be so, for “He is in one mind, and who can turn from Him? and what His soul desireth, even that He doeth” (Job 23:13). Change and decay in all around we see, May He who changeth not abide with thee. God’s purpose never alters. One of two things causes a man to change his mind and reverse his plans: want of foresight to anticipate everything, or lack of power to execute them. But as God is both omniscient and omnipotent there is never any need for Him to revise His decrees. No, “The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of His heart to all generations” (Psa 33:11). Therefore do we read of “the immutability of His counsel” (Heb 6:17).
 
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Agreed, with GOD all things are possible; with man not all things are possible

You didn't address my response.
You said God does not ask us to do things we cannot do.
I pointed you to 1 John 2:1 “My little children, these things I write unto you, that ye sin not”.
Since everyone continues to sin, scripture show your statement to be incorrect.
Not seeing what you are saying.

You are saying that God ask people to do things they can't.

Yet He tell the children to sin not.
Where does it say He is asking them to do that without Him?
 
Unperfect to me...Would mean for God to go against His Character.

If God is Love then He can do whatever He wants in ways He wants to show love.

As Jesus coming to earth in the form of man....
 
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