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Divine Healing; Why some don’t get healed

Jesus became a quickening spirit
(Second Adam - Christ in us). Jesus bodily is not here, but it appears that what he became is here.
I don't know what WHAT HE BECAME IS HERE means.
What did Jesus become?
He told the Apostles it was good for Him to go away so that the Holy Spirit could come.
John 16:7

Jesus is back in heaven as the 2nd Person of the Trinity.
At the right hand of God.

To me that ties to healing. Of course some may choose to say no.

I have had malaria twice. Covid once without any doubt, but the 2nd probably. None of these has ever been helped by the first MD.

Went to Viet Nam, Africa, Thailand (Thanks USAF). The 2nd malaria was suitcase Malaria from Africa.

Since I used over the counter quinine on the first Malaria case I can not claim a supernatural healing, but how did I come to diagnose what I had?

The 2020 malaria was rough. My wife thought I had died a couple of times. I would not go for treatment ( they would have called it Covid).

The first Covid was rough. Lungs, ears, smell messed up, fever. Just 9 rough days but after effects lasted a year. No MD visit.

I absolutely believe healing is for today. Do I try alternative approaches yes, but not by professionals.

Too many (well I whited out that
X-ray). You do not have malaria.

What does that have to do with this thread? I wish I knew. My trust in medicine is low.

The lady with the issue of blood is my hero. Word of knowledge, word of wisdom have helped me stumble through life. A nurse friend said you probably are gluten intolerant (read up on that - sure enough I was.

Since MDs were not much help I turned to God. About half the time I barley survived.

So some trust in chariots and horses (MDs), but I trust in the Godhead.

Really strange redneck
eddif
My trust in medicine is also low.
I avoid doctors as much as possible...however, when we need one we should get 2nd and 3rd opinions before doing anything drastic. I also don't believe we should take antibiotics at the slightest sign of a cold - as some do.

The thing is this Ed,,,even if we don't go to a doctor one of two things will happen:
Either we get well.
Or we get worse and possibly even die eventually.

God does all the healing. Healing comes from God.
I think what JLB is talking about is miraculous healings.
 
ON what authority do you think verses were added? Paul actually had dealings with a snake and did not die. And they laid hands on people and they were healed. So why do you think they are not verses originally penned since they were confirmed elsewhere in the records?
Biblical scholars who spend their life studying hermeneutics and manuscripts, etc.
 
The Bible says Jesus could not heal many because of their unbelief. It says it is plain black and white. Shouldn't you change your mind and align your thinking with the Word?

What type of unbelief?
Could we get this straight...
I won't change my mind until every born again believer I know becomes healed when they pray for healing.

He will not violate his principles. Paul wrote that some of the Corinthians died because of their abuse of Communion. Didn't God love them enough? The point is God has ways by which he does things and his love is not diminished because we refuse to say, forgive those who have offended us. It is best not to use the "don't God love us enough to do what we want" argument.

Hmmm. I forget what I said.
Sorry.
Of course God won't violate His principles.
Are the laws of nature part of His principles?

You will not find many Miracles in the modern western churches for the reasons I explained but you rejected. Now you can insist that they are rare because they do not happen in your circle because you live in the west. Or you can investigate this matter to see why they do not happen in your circle.
I'm not planning on testing God.
He can do as He sees fit.
 
I agree, which why we need to be aware of the power and authority we have to make him cease from operating in our home and family.
Agreed.
Satan holds a lot of power over persons these days.
We're not to give him the victory and we should do our best to let only God into our homes.
Too many kids do whatever they want to. I see this all the time.
 
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Mark 16:9-20

The external evidence strongly suggests that these verses were not originally part of Mark's Gospel. While the majority of Greek manuscripts contain these verses, the earliest and most reliable do not. A shorter ending also existed, but it is not included in the text. Further, some that include the passage note that it was missing from older Greek manuscripts, while others have scribal marks indicating the passage was considered spurious. The fourth-century church fathers Eusebius and Jerome noted that almost all Greek manuscripts available to them lacked verses Mar_16:9-20.

The internal evidence from this passage also weighs heavily against Mark's authorship. The transition between verses 8 and 9 is abrupt and awkward. The Greek particle translated "now" that begins verse Mar_16:9 implies continuity with the preceding narrative. What follows, however, does not continue the story of the women referred to in verse Mar_16:8, but describes Christ's appearance to Mary Magdalene (cf. Joh_20:11-18). The masculine participle in verse Mar_16:9 expects "he" as its antecedent, yet the subject of verse Mar_16:8 is the women. Although she had just been mentioned three times (Mar_16:1; Mar_15:40, Mar_16:47), verse Mar_16:9 introduces Mary Magdalene as if for the first time.

Further, if Mark wrote verse Mar_16:9, it is strange that he would only now note that Jesus had cast seven demons out of her. The angel spoke of Jesus' appearing to His followers in Galilee, yet the appearances described in verses Mar_16:9-20 are all in the Jerusalem area. Finally, the presence in these verses of a significant number of Greek words used nowhere else in Mark argues that Mark did not write them.

Verses Mar_16:9-20 represent an early (they were known to the second-century fathers Irenaeus, Tatian, and, possibly, Justin Martyr) attempt (known to the second-century fathers Irenaeus, Tatian, and, possibly, Justin Martyr) to complete Mark's Gospel. While for the most part summarizing truths taught elsewhere in Scripture, verses Mar_16:9-20 should always be compared with the rest of Scripture, and no doctrines should be formulated based solely on them. Since, in spite of all these considerations of the likely unreliability of this section, it is possible to be wrong on the issue, it is good to consider the meaning of this passage and leave it in the text, just as with Joh. 7:53-8:11.
John 21:18 might be another case.
Do you know about that?
 
I've never seen a miracle in church except in videos. I've seem plenty of miracles at home or in my vicinity of where I was. I saw a miracle today already!

Everybody like big miracles, He parted the Red Sea!! WOW!! but God does way more miracles than that. He does countless little miracles. You just have to pay attention.

Many times our Lord communicates to us through small miracles day by day. Pay attetion.

Remember this Spiritual Principal. There is no such thing as coincidence on earth. There is only, God-incidence.

Anytime a "coincidence" happens, say to yourself, there aint concidences so what just happened? What id God trying to say, and to who?

An adult "intelligent" person can not believe this. So think like a little child and it will come to you! My ceral made itself into a heart, that's God whispering that He loves you. No one has ever proven that a real coincidence ever existed. So it's God. (Speak back to Him!)
 
I do not believe that was added later. I have never heard this. I know 1 John had one or 2 (if I recall correctly) added to the KJV.
Agreed.
I don't pay too much attention to this since the changes are insignificant to the gospel message.
And, I tend to keep my eyes on Jesus -yes, even instead of the written word.
Although I do appreciate that some have died for it.
And do believe it's our authority.
 
I hear you. There are many who believe that the "gifts" of God are still in existence today. If there is a True healer out there, I'd love to meet him/her. I've got quite a laundry list of physical issues to be dealt with.
Well, I am not a healer but I have prayed for the sick or rebuked the enemy and they were no longer sick, which includes me. It is a complicated matter though. If you look at how Jesus healed, it was different for different people. Some people had to do something. Some people had their friends or master's believe. It really differs.
 
Because some individuals of a church commit crimes, does not make the church criminal.
The church mandated the things the individuals carried out and that for centuries. The church commanded others to do the things they did and history has recored these things so we needn't discuss them. For this reason, I have doubts there is authority from God in casting out demons.
The church maintains its sanctity and its authority.
(If not, there would be no church left on earth since all men sin, even men of the church).
No church has the blood on its hands like the Catholic Church. But let us move on. This is off topic.
 
Ok, That reminds me of a testimony I have. Remeber the stimulas checks that they sent out? Well I got mine and thought, I'm not paying bills with this. And so I spent it all within 2 days on things I needed. And I was broke. Broke broke.

I started the day with mucho dinero and was po poor by nightfall. But that's ok cuz I got some things I need, praise the Lord! And I had to go to the basement for something and walked into hot water all over the floor. The hot water heater took a dive. I shut off the water to it and in a moment I realized that this morning I had the money for a HWH. But I sure do not have it now! How in the world can I expect to be able to get the money for a HWH?! So I began slipping into despair and started wondering if I would have to go a whole month with no hot water?!

Then it hit me. This aint no coincidence! The Lord knew I had the money this morning! So I actually laughed a little and I said, Lord I don't know what you are doing here but I know it's in your hands, so, mind if I watch?

I had already been blessed, because the day before I caught the Laundry bug and caught up all of the laundry so I said thanks to the Lord for nudging me to do the laundry! I checked the date code and my HWHW was 5 1/2 yrs old. Juuussst out of warranty, of course! I can even plumb and had everything 20 ft away that I would need to install a new one. Copper pipe, fittings all that stuff. I can do the labor and material, but for some reason the Lord gave me everything except the HWH money, Lol! I love the Lord's sense of humor!

Now to me, I know this weren't no coincidence, all these things. So I prayed on and off for the rest of the day about it. Lord what are you doing, I had the money. Now I don't. What are trying to say to me?! And I got no answer! Total silence! How ya like that?!

So I woke up the next morning figuring the Lord is leaving me to handle this alone and see how I react. I didn't have any options to choose from, I was broke. So what do I do? I can prolly get a new HWH wholesale at the plumbing supply house cuz them guys know me. I wonder how much a new one costs total, today! So I copied down the serial number because if I could get the exact same model, it would be a slip fit and take the least amount of material to tie it in. So I call the Plumbing Supply house and asked how much for this one and gave them the serial number to match it...when he came back he said ther's no cost for that unit, Ed. (Tilt!!) Because it's under warranty. I had totally forgotton that Rheem don't have a 5yr on their water heaters, theirs is a 6 year warranty! I knew that though, so I actually think the Lord made me forget that. He had to. So all those coincidences (Lol) weren't co- incidences, they wer God-incidences. And not even a sparrow falls to the ground with God knowing it, so I think it was obviously God testing me. And by the grace of God, I passed the test!

Jesus can be very mischevious, lol. Praise God for supplying my new HWH!! :hysterical
 
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What say you Dorothy?
How do you explain good and evil?
OH touche my dear. It is not simple. There is the Holy Spirit working in men to influence them to do good. He convicts of sin and gives grace to those who ask. Then there is the Enemy who is also trying to influence people to do evil. He entices them on the more simple level. There are cases where the Enemy has a hold on people and has greater power over them to do evil. So on any one particular event, it is difficult to say unless you are directly connected with it. This is why talking to God is important.
 
This is kind response WIP. Since Jesus fed 1000s and healed very many AND he said that the Father knows we need food and shelter and clothes and made us needing them, it also stands to reason that these are important to him. He didn’t say “never mind about the material” but says “seek him kingdom and these will be supplied to you.”
I agree and I don't think I said or even implied that Jesus doesn't care about food, shelter, clothing, health. I do believe His more important concern is our spiritual health for that's why He came. I believe we are lost and unless we accept that great and wonderful gift from the Son, we will remain lost so by spiritual health I'm speaking of our relationship with Christ and where our heart is.

Jesus said, "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." (Matthew 6:19-21 NKJV)

I believe our earthly treasures include food, shelter, clothing, and wealth. Not to say that we must ignore these things completely for we do need them for our survival but I believe we must be focused first on our spiritual health and then these things and that's what I believe Matthew 6:25-34 and Matthew 10:28 are speaking about, at least in part.

Paul wanted desperately to get relief from his affliction but God had other plans.

7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.
8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me.
9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

2 Corinthians 12:7-10 NKJV

I believe the greatest gift we can receive from God is not our physical healing but our spiritual healing, or in other words, salvation from the curse of our sins.
 
The church mandated the things the individuals carried out and that for centuries. The church commanded others to do the things they did and history has recored these things so we needn't discuss them. For this reason, I have doubts there is authority from God in casting out demons.

No church has the blood on its hands like the Catholic Church. But let us move on. This is off topic.
It's right on topic because you stated that the CC does not have the authority to heal.
The church is a bldg. Bldgs don't tell persons what to do.
People do that. That would include a pope that did wrong.
For centuries, I'm not sure - but for a long time, yes.
No church is without fault. Protestant churches have done the same but on a smaller scale because it is a smaller denomination. Happily, we don't have to worry about this anymore.

The CC has authority from God to exorcise demons because it does do so.
 
OH touche my dear. It is not simple. There is the Holy Spirit working in men to influence them to do good. He convicts of sin and gives grace to those who ask. Then there is the Enemy who is also trying to influence people to do evil. He entices them on the more simple level. There are cases where the Enemy has a hold on people and has greater power over them to do evil. So on any one particular event, it is difficult to say unless you are directly connected with it. This is why talking to God is important.
I agree that it works this way.
I do believe that all evil is influenced by satan.
This was my statement.
 
It's right on topic because you stated that the CC does not have the authority to heal.
The church is a bldg. Bldgs don't tell persons what to do.
People do that. That would include a pope that did wrong.
For centuries, I'm not sure - but for a long time, yes.
No church is without fault. Protestant churches have done the same but on a smaller scale because it is a smaller denomination. Happily, we don't have to worry about this anymore.

The CC has authority from God to exorcise demons because it does do so.
No way the Protestant churches burned people at the stake with their Bibles. You’ve heard of the Inquisition? Catholics and only catholics and for a few millennia. There’s more. It’s history. It’s not an opinion.
 
I don't know. Maybe you're not seeing or hearing entirely what the Scriptures are teaching or maybe I'm seeing or hearing more than what Scriptures are teaching but when I consider the Bible in its entirety and understand Jesus as I think and hope I do, I'm hearing that He is more interested in saving the person's soul than providing health, food, clothing, or shelter in this life. Everything leads up to eternal life.

Why did Christ go to the cross? To do what? Heal our bodies or save our souls?

25 “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?
26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?

28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin;
29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?

31 Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’
32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.
33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble."

Matthew 6:25-34 NKJV

28 "Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Matthew 10:28 NKJV
I like your scripture quote.

Is there hope of seeing Adam as a living soul? A person who could only live forever if he ate of the tree of life.

The spirit man (born of the Spirit) is a new covenant NT thing.

This is said with all lowness. For soul is sometimes taught as the spiritual part of man.

Body soul and Spirit:
1 Thessalonians 5:23 kjv
23. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I do not wish to change the track of the OP.
But
Heal what? Preserve what? Sanctify what?

God is intelligent, and creation was made so physical healing will parallel The spiritual (already discussed) in concept. I realize some flip because of the context difference.

A seed is the word of God. Ground is men’s hearts.

Healing has levels.

eddif
 
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