Divine Healing; Why some don’t get healed

[Dorothy Mae]

Romans 6:23 kjv
23, Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

1 Peter 2:24 kjv
24. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

eddif

You can repeat this over and over but not a single word says God considers spirits or souls as needing healing. He heals bodies. He provides healing for nations. He doesn’t see spirits or souls, apparently, as sick, just dirty, perhaps. You cannot take the word “heals” and apply it to whatever you want and have the mind of Christ. You have then left the mind of Christ.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I think wondering is probably referencing her years and years of study while doing the catholic thing. They tend to be examine Scripture differently than Protestant groups, so verses that may have been added or altered are treated differently than verses fully accepted as original and canonical. Or…something like that any

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I think wondering is probably referencing her years and years of study while doing the catholic thing. They tend to be examine Scripture differently than Protestant groups, so verses that may have been added or altered are treated differently than verses fully accepted as original and canonical. Or…something like that any

The Muslims say the same thing (the Bible has been changed.) There are astonishing similarities between Islam and catholicism.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Question for all:

Is there anyone in the world of "Christianity" that is able to raise the dead . . . like "Lazarus" dead?

 

[eddif]

Romans 6:23 kjv
23, Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

1 Peter 2:24 kjv
24. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

eddif

Actually Romans 6:23 says
23. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

eddif

 

[JLB]

i agree as long as we dont go making reasons for not being healed its all in the hands of the Lord just like our life.

It’s all in the hands of the Lord just like our life?

What do you mean by that?

Does that mean, if people are not saved, or healed, or delivered from unclean spirits, it’s because He has chosen not to heal, save and deliver some, while choosing to heal save and deliver others?


Is that what you mean by saying… It’s all in the hands of the Lord just like our life?


Can you please clarify what you mean by your statement?




JLB

 

[JLB]

Question for all:

Is there anyone in the world of "Christianity" that is able to raise the dead . . . like "Lazarus" dead?

Yes, many people are doing that.

David Hogan has 39 confirmed dead raised.

He was called to Mexico in the 90’s and started by healing a leper.


Now he has raised up hundreds of Churches in Mexico that are mostly ex Cartel members and those who were involved in Santeria that saw the power of God demonstrated among them.



JLB

 

[JLB]

yes we can see by this answer sometimes there are extra steps to be taken

Yes, it’s up to us to seek Him and to walk in the life of power, love and a sound mind He paid the price for us to have.


JLB

 

[JLB]

and yes i can go with that type story. but i dont buy into the benny hinn services

I didn’t ask anyone here to buy into anything.

Just to seek Him and study the scriptures for ourself and discover the answers to some of the questions as to why some don’t get healed.



JLB

 

[JLB]

I attribute everything to satan, but some theology does not agree with this so I hate to make a point of it.

I agree, which why we need to be aware of the power and authority we have to make him cease from operating in our home and family.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Question for all:

Is there anyone in the world of "Christianity" that is able to raise the dead . . . like "Lazarus" dead?

It’s not a matter of us being able since we can’t do any miracles in any case.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The above covers the world we live in
and the law of nature in the case of cancer.

Things just go wrong.
I attribute everything to satan, but some theology does not agree with this so I hate to make a point of it.
In my understanding, satan is the cause of ALL evil.

You attribute everything to Satan. @Jethro attributes everything to God. Pretty easy that way, isn’t it? One agent fits all….that’s what CS lewis calls “boys theology.”

 

[WIP]

Where is healing the soul or spirit in scripture?

Isn’t the question somewhat like, what would Jesus think more important, feeding a man about to die of starvation bread or giving him a sermon?

I don't know. Maybe you're not seeing or hearing entirely what the Scriptures are teaching or maybe I'm seeing or hearing more than what Scriptures are teaching but when I consider the Bible in its entirety and understand Jesus as I think and hope I do, I'm hearing that He is more interested in saving the person's soul than providing health, food, clothing, or shelter in this life. Everything leads up to eternal life.

Why did Christ go to the cross? To do what? Heal our bodies or save our souls?

25 “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?
26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?
28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin;
29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
31 Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’
32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.
33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble."
Matthew 6:25-34 NKJV

28 "Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Matthew 10:28 NKJV

 

[electedbyHim]

Yes, many people are doing that.

David Hogan has 39 confirmed dead raised.

He was called to Mexico in the 90’s and started by healing a leper.


Now he has raised up hundreds of Churches in Mexico that are mostly ex Cartel members and those who were involved in Santeria that saw the power of God demonstrated among them.



JLB

Beware of David Hogan. This man claims to have raised over 500 people from the dead with his Dead Raiser team. He is a popular speaker at Bethel Church and there are many videos available online of him speaking. Reality does not seem to be part of this man’s world, he can talk a big talk and is great with the stories, but proof of his claims is mysteriously unavailable. In an age where everyone has a video camera in their pocket, it is a wonder that no video proof has surfaced of these supposed dead raisings. He recently appeared on the Sid Roth show (totally credible show! ) to share more amazingly unprovable stories. Of course you can buy his book and order some other materials that will teach you to raise the dead as well. Only $39.99 while supplies last. It must be said that even if David Hogan did raise someone from the dead, this would not be cause to follow him. As David proclaims a false gospel and leads his followers to a false Christ, he is to be marked and avoided for the false prophet he is.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I don't know. Maybe you're not seeing or hearing entirely what the Scriptures are teaching or maybe I'm seeing or hearing more than what Scriptures are teaching but when I consider the Bible in its entirety and understand Jesus as I think and hope I do, I'm hearing that He is more interested in saving the person's soul than providing health, food, clothing, or shelter in this life. Everything leads up to eternal life.

Why did Christ go to the cross? To do what? Heal our bodies or save our souls?

25 “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?
26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?
28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin;
29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
31 Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’
32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.
33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble."
Matthew 6:25-34 NKJV

28 "Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Matthew 10:28 NKJV

This is kind response WIP. Since Jesus fed 1000s and healed very many AND he said that the Father knows we need food and shelter and clothes and made us needing them, it also stands to reason that these are important to him. He didn’t say “never mind about the material” but says “seek him kingdom and these will be supplied to you.”

I don’t see that Jesus was mainly interested in where people will go when they die. I think that’s looking at the world through modern theology that has commonly ceased to preach obeying the teachings of Jesus. Just get those souls “saved” so they avoid hell seems to be the emphasis.

But I did ask where in scripture does anyone talk about sick souls/spirits? Where does anyone mention healing spirits? What diseases do they get? I asked and so far no scripture. Again, we can’t take a scripture that mentions healing and decide ourselves what is healed.

Since scripture says in more than one place that we can be healed because of his suffering, we can assume it’s on God’s heart and not an either / or.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Yes, many people are doing that.

David Hogan has 39 confirmed dead raised.

He was called to Mexico in the 90’s and started by healing a leper.


Now he has raised up hundreds of Churches in Mexico that are mostly ex Cartel members and those who were involved in Santeria that saw the power of God demonstrated among them.



JLB

Wow. So, I looked up Hogan online, and it appears that many believe that he does not know, or teach, the Gospel. More, they say that we are to be warned and that he is a false teacher.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

It’s not a matter of us being able since we can’t do any miracles in any case.

I hear you. There are many who believe that the "gifts" of God are still in existence today. If there is a True healer out there, I'd love to meet him/her. I've got quite a laundry list of physical issues to be dealt with.

 

[GodsGrace]

what do you mean added?

There are at least 2 instances that I can remember that biblical scholars believe were added on to the original manuscript.
There could be different reasons...there's no way to really know why.

 

[GodsGrace]

I am not sure of their authority in spiritual matters. The church, not the individuals, has a lot of blood of believers on their hands.

Because some individuals of a church commit crimes, does not make the church criminal.
The church maintains its sanctity and its authority.
(If not, there would be no church left on earth since all men sin, even men of the church).

OK, just thought you ought to know that it is not only the Holy Spirit that heals. Of course the demonic is totally different in impact.

I think he said that can be one reason. It is not the only reason just as people are not necessarily healed because their faith was great.

Agreed.

 

[electedbyHim]

There are at least 2 instances that I can remember that biblical scholars believe were added on to the original manuscript.
There could be different reasons...there's no way to really know why.

Mark 16:9-20​

The external evidence strongly suggests that these verses were not originally part of Mark's Gospel. While the majority of Greek manuscripts contain these verses, the earliest and most reliable do not. A shorter ending also existed, but it is not included in the text. Further, some that include the passage note that it was missing from older Greek manuscripts, while others have scribal marks indicating the passage was considered spurious. The fourth-century church fathers Eusebius and Jerome noted that almost all Greek manuscripts available to them lacked verses Mar_16:9-20.

The internal evidence from this passage also weighs heavily against Mark's authorship. The transition between verses 8 and 9 is abrupt and awkward. The Greek particle translated "now" that begins verse Mar_16:9 implies continuity with the preceding narrative. What follows, however, does not continue the story of the women referred to in verse Mar_16:8, but describes Christ's appearance to Mary Magdalene (cf. Joh_20:11-18). The masculine participle in verse Mar_16:9 expects "he" as its antecedent, yet the subject of verse Mar_16:8 is the women. Although she had just been mentioned three times (Mar_16:1; Mar_15:40, Mar_16:47), verse Mar_16:9 introduces Mary Magdalene as if for the first time.

Further, if Mark wrote verse Mar_16:9, it is strange that he would only now note that Jesus had cast seven demons out of her. The angel spoke of Jesus' appearing to His followers in Galilee, yet the appearances described in verses Mar_16:9-20 are all in the Jerusalem area. Finally, the presence in these verses of a significant number of Greek words used nowhere else in Mark argues that Mark did not write them.

Verses Mar_16:9-20 represent an early (they were known to the second-century fathers Irenaeus, Tatian, and, possibly, Justin Martyr) attempt (known to the second-century fathers Irenaeus, Tatian, and, possibly, Justin Martyr) to complete Mark's Gospel. While for the most part summarizing truths taught elsewhere in Scripture, verses Mar_16:9-20 should always be compared with the rest of Scripture, and no doctrines should be formulated based solely on them. Since, in spite of all these considerations of the likely unreliability of this section, it is possible to be wrong on the issue, it is good to consider the meaning of this passage and leave it in the text, just as with Joh. 7:53-8:11.