Do wolves know they themselves are wolves?

[agua.]

A wolfs doctrine would be anything that is taught as a theory of one using their own thought patterns that twist and manipulates the word of God in order to back up their man made theories that have been taught traditionally down through the generations. The biggest example would be that of the various end time teachings as you see the controversy in the various teachings as one picks and chooses various verses to back themselves up with, but neglect the whole of what the chapter is speaking of or even studying for themselves. The same with the various teachings on salvation and baptism as one does not study the whole for themselves, but would rather rely on man to teach them. How do we know what is truth or what is error is by testing the spirits that speak, 1John 4:1-6 and learn to discern by allowing the Holy Spirit teach us all things, John 14:26.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
If the elect of God knows truth by that of the Holy Spirit teaching them then it would be impossible to deceive them. It is those who lack knowledge and understanding that will fall prey to the wolf in sheep's clothing.

"The biggest example would be that of the various end time teachings as you see the controversy in the various teachings ".

Can you give me the correct eschatology position a Christian should hold ?

"The same with the various teachings on salvation and baptism as one does not study the whole for themselves"

Can you be more explicit here and maybe describe some of these teachings and who teaches them ?

 

[for_his_glory]

Can you give me the correct eschatology position a Christian should hold ?





Can you be more explicit here and maybe describe some of these teachings and who teaches them ?

The correct theology should be that of one studying for themselves per 2Timothy 2:15, 16 so they know for a surety through the Holy Spirit of what they are being taught is truth or error as we need to discern what spirits are speaking, 1John 4:1-6

I'm not going to name names, but one can see the deceptions like the example of the prosperity messages that are being taught as a get rich scenario. Are we all monetarily rich by following these messages, no, so either we are missing something or they are teaching a twisted word. Another example is within the salvation message as we can even see on forums like this that many can not agree with how we are saved as we see various debates about baptism and the Holy Spirit. Another example is on the end time teachings such as pre-trib, post-trib or no trib. Who's teaching it the right way or who is teaching from mans doctrines and interpretations. Are we really hearing what the Holy Spirit is trying to teach us or are we saying the Holy Spirit teaches us as we believe everything that comes from the pulpit.

 

[agua.]

The correct theology should be that of one studying for themselves per 2Timothy 2:15, 16 so they know for a surety through the Holy Spirit of what they are being taught is truth or error as we need to discern what spirits are speaking, 1John 4:1-6

I'm not going to name names, but one can see the deceptions like the example of the prosperity messages that are being taught as a get rich scenario. Are we all monetarily rich by following these messages, no, so either we are missing something or they are teaching a twisted word. Another example is within the salvation message as we can even see on forums like this that many can not agree with how we are saved as we see various debates about baptism and the Holy Spirit. Another example is on the end time teachings such as pre-trib, post-trib or no trib. Who's teaching it the right way or who is teaching from mans doctrines and interpretations. Are we really hearing what the Holy Spirit is trying to teach us or are we saying the Holy Spirit teaches us as we believe everything that comes from the pulpit.

Oky doky. From this I can only assume you're not sure of the correct position a Christian should hold concerning eschatology ?

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

to stay in any one of hundreds of Christian churches or different groups of Christians, you pretty much have to agree with what they say as opposed to what all the other groups or churches say. that's how it works. if you rock their boat, they make pretty sure you fall out. that's pretty much it is with political groups too, and different scientific positions, and social/ poetry/ economic / literary and other schools and groups too. if you're not with them, you're against them, and they make it clear when they want to and when they have the power to.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

not what logic says ---instead, and only >

there is ONE TRUE PATH - the MESSIAH YESHUA. He is the Way, Truth, Life, and besides Him there is none other.

with all the different differences on earth, the ones who are immersed in Yeshua's Name know Him and are Known By Him; and are ONE IN HIM, we are in union in Yhwh with Him. and the different group's interpretations cannot change us nor take away our union with Him and in Him. and we know each other without a word, because we are united in Him, we are in union with each other in Him,
not of the world, nor in a way the world can see nor comprehend,
but Yhwh's doing --- Yhwh's Plan ---- Yhwh's Purpose in Yeshua and His Body on Earth. such amazing GRACE and JOY!

 

[for_his_glory]

Oky doky. From this I can only assume you're not sure of the correct position a Christian should hold concerning eschatology ?

I'm not sure of what you are asking as eschatology has to do with the branch of theology that is concerned with the ultimate or last things, such as death. I showed that correct theology needs to be that of one studying the word of God by allowing the Holy Spirit and not mans traditional doctrines teach us as we discern that which is being taught. Did you have something pacific in mind?

 

[for_his_glory]

There are many wolves out there that do not even know they are wolves for they have been deceived by traditional doctrines of man and do not even know they are being deceived. We see this more so in the events of end time scenarios such as pre-trib, post trib, or no trib at all for example. Even the way salvation is taught in it's various theologies as Grace vs. works and baptism being that of full water immersion compared to only that of being baptized in the Spirit as being like that of the day of Pentecost. People debate and argue one is not saved unless they do this or that, but neglect that of the Spiritual rebirth and what Jesus already said as when he spoke to Nicodemus. How do we know who is teaching truth or who is teaching a deceptive word is by learning how to discern what we are being taught as truth only comes by the word of God and what He has already spoken to us. Trust in the Holy Spirit alone to teach you all things God wants us to learn.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

 

[Deborah13]

There are many wolves out there that do not even know they are wolves for they have been deceived by traditional doctrines of man and do not even know they are being deceived. We see this more so in the events of end time scenarios such as pre-trib, post trib, or no trib at all for example. Even the way salvation is taught in it's various theologies as Grace vs. works and baptism being that of full water immersion compared to only that of being baptized in the Spirit as being like that of the day of Pentecost. People debate and argue one is not saved unless they do this or that, but neglect that of the Spiritual rebirth and what Jesus already said as when he spoke to Nicodemus. How do we know who is teaching truth or who is teaching a deceptive word is by learning how to discern what we are being taught as truth only comes by the word of God and what He has already spoken to us. Trust in the Holy Spirit alone to teach you all things God wants us to learn.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

The wolves in the OP are not saved believers, correct?

Mat_7:15 `But, take heed of the false prophets, who come unto you in sheep's clothing, and inwardly are ravening wolves.
Mat_10:16 `Lo, I do send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves, be ye therefore wise as the serpents, and simple as the doves.
Luk_10:3 `Go away; lo, I send you forth as lambs in the midst of wolves;
Act_20:29 for I have known this, that there shall enter in, after my departing, grievous wolves unto you, not sparing the flock,

 

[Gary]

Do wolves know they themselves are wolves?

There are many wolves out there that do not even know they are wolves for they have been deceived by traditional doctrines of man and do not even know they are being deceived.

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[for_his_glory]

The wolves in the OP are not saved believers, correct?

Gary, this might help answer your question too, at least I hope so. By reading and understanding the below verses I would have to say no, they are not saved since they teach a false gospel. As a child of God it is up to each individual to learn to discern that of what others are teaching us. This is why I try to stress the importance of studying for yourself by allowing the Holy Spirit confirm that of what you are hearing is truth or error so that you will not be caught up into a false gospel they teach from. 1John 4:1-6 test the spirits that are speaking.

Matthew7:15 `But, take heed of the false prophets, who come unto you in sheep's clothing, and inwardly are ravening wolves.
Matthew10:16 `Lo, I do send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves, be ye therefore wise as the serpents, and simple as the doves.
Luke 10:3 `Go away; lo, I send you forth as lambs in the midst of wolves;
Act 20:29 for I have known this, that there shall enter in, after my departing, grievous wolves unto you, not sparing the flock,
Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;


Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

a good example of 'sneaky' yet voracious wolves is the chrislam explosion across america IN churches ---- the leaders and the people have many swallowed the wolf's bait. a few are trying to defend God's People from the wolves, but the good guys (on God's side) are very outnumbered, it seems.

http://www.k9safesearch.com/search.jsp?q=chrislam&v=w

 

[for_his_glory]

a good example of 'sneaky' yet voracious wolves is the chrislam explosion across america IN churches ---- the leaders and the people have many swallowed the wolf's bait. a few are trying to defend God's People from the wolves, but the good guys (on God's side) are very outnumbered, it seems.

http://www.k9safesearch.com/search.jsp?q=chrislam&v=w

Was Jesus outnumbered when He went about His ministry here on Earth as I recall he had many followers, but yet they lacked knowledge until the day of Pentecost when Spiritual eyes and ears were finally opened to truth of who Jesus was/is and what He taught and still teaches us by His Holy Spirit. That's the whole problem as many people would rather follow the pulpit rather than to follow Christ.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Was Jesus outnumbered when He went about His ministry here on Earth as I recall he had many followers, but yet they lacked knowledge until the day of Pentecost when Spiritual eyes and ears were finally opened to truth of who Jesus was/is and what He taught and still teaches us by His Holy Spirit. That's the whole problem as many people would rather follow the pulpit rather than to follow Christ.

That is so true. Jesus and the disciples since then have always been out-numbered.
Now the pulpits gone to the other side outnumber the ones that are true (as always).
Those following chrislam outnumber those following Christ Jesus, and it is getting worse not better, for them....(in terms of God's Judgment)

 

[for_his_glory]

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Religion has always outnumbered that of truth as the Latin root word for religion is bondage, which is different then that of Gods pure religion of James 1:27, but that of following tradition and the doctrine of a mans church, not Gods true Church. The Latin root word is religare as re is a prefix that means return and ligare means to bind. Religion tells you what you can and cannot do and becomes socially acceptable by mans interpretations, traditions and doctrines. Religion is what nailed Christ to the cross because the KJV Bible is not socially acceptable to society, if it were then Christ would have died in vain. God is not about mans religion, nor does he recognize religion. God is about a personal relationship with you and His son Jesus Christ.