DOES GOD LOVE EVERYONE?

[eddif]

We seem to have trouble seeing ourselves as:
Body
Soul
Spirit

Body (flesh and blood bones)
will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Soul (carnal mind) mind, will, emotions need to be realized for what they are.

Spirit (Christ in us) New Jerusalem in us. New creation in us. Matthew chapters 5-7 abstract spiritual Word planted in our heart and mind.

Too complicated (For my carnal flesh and carnal mind)? Yes too complicated.
For the mind of Christ placed in us? Not too complicated. But that mind of Christ in us is a new creation born of the Spirit.

Wretched body man that perishes. Yes
Carnal mind/will that is controlled by His will? Confess sins, die to carnal self? Yes.
New creation completed at the last trump? Yes.

Mississippi redneck
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[Alfred Persson]

God is speaking to believers.
But before one becomes a believer my question is that if they hate Christ and love darkness (sin), neither (on their own) come to Christ, and Romans 3 says NO ONE seeks God, HOW do they become saved?

 

[Alfred Persson]

Every unsaved person does evil. That is God's justification for judgment on the human race.
How can everyone have an equal chance for salvation when everyone does evil (before salvation) hates Christ, loves darkness, and neither come to Christ?
Romans 3 says NO ONE seeks God.
So, I ask again, HOW do people become saved?

Incorrect: Not everyone "practices evil":

20 "For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 "But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God." (Jn. 3:14-21 NKJ)

He who does truth WILL seek God and be saved, because they do so with their whole heart:

But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. (Deut. 4:29 KJV)

11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.
12 Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you.
13 And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.
14 I will be found by you, says the LORD, (Jer. 29:11-14 NKJ)

 

[jeremiah1five]

We seem to have trouble seeing ourselves as:
Body
Soul
Spirit

Body (flesh and blood bones)
will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Soul (carnal mind) mind, will, emotions need to be realized for what they are.

Spirit (Christ in us) New Jerusalem in us. New creation in us. Matthew chapters 5-7 abstract spiritual Word planted in our heart and mind.

Too complicated (For my carnal flesh and carnal mind)? Yes too complicated.
For the mind of Christ placed in us? Not too complicated. But that mind of Christ in us is a new creation born of the Spirit.

Wretched body man that perishes. Yes
Carnal mind/will that is controlled by His will? Confess sins, die to carnal self? Yes.
New creation completed at the last trump? Yes.

Mississippi redneck
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The unbeliever is only body and soul. (Matt. 10:28)
The born-again believer is body, soul, and human spirit. (1 Thess. 5:23)

 

[jeremiah1five]

Incorrect: Not everyone "practices evil":

20 "For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 "But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God." (Jn. 3:14-21 NKJ)

He who does truth WILL seek God and be saved, because they do so with their whole heart:

But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. (Deut. 4:29 KJV)

11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.
12 Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you.
13 And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.
14 I will be found by you, says the LORD, (Jer. 29:11-14 NKJ)

Everyone not saved practices and is a professional at evil.
Unless you're saying there are holy people before they become saved which is falsehood.

 

[eddif]

Incorrect: Not everyone "practices evil":

20 "For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 "But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God." (Jn. 3:14-21 NKJ)

He who does truth WILL seek God and be saved, because they do so with their whole heart:

But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. (Deut. 4:29 KJV)

11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.
12 Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you.
13 And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.
14 I will be found by you, says the LORD, (Jer. 29:11-14 NKJ)

I agree.

I note also that verse 20 has a person that has the knowledge of good and evil, like Adam. The person has made a choice. If approached about their condition they may have a chance to repent. Restoration?

Alfred Persson opinion

Mississippi redneck
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[eddif]

The unbeliever is only body and soul. (Matt. 10:28)
The born-again believer is body, soul, and human spirit. (1 Thess. 5:23)

So everyone here is Saved through/by the shed blood of Jesus?

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[jeremiah1five]

So everyone here is Saved through/by the shed blood of Jesus?

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Only the person in 1 Thess. 5:23. When converted/born-again God creates a new human spirit for the person, and they are restored to the image of God which is a trichotomy (body, soul, and human spirit.)
The one cast into hell is a dichotomy (body and soul, no human spirit.)
There are no three-fold persons in hell.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Everyone not saved practices and is a professional at evil.
Unless you're saying there are holy people before they become saved which is falsehood.

I cited the text, and even bolded the words. You ignored them. Of course, you ignore me. Now you want to change the subject to "holy people." No thanks. You said everyone practices evil and won't seek God. You are wrong:

20 "For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 "But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God." (Jn. 3:14-21 NKJ)

He who does truth WILL seek God and be saved, because they do so with their whole heart:

But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. (Deut. 4:29 KJV)

11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.
12 Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you.
13 And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.
14 I will be found by you, says the LORD, (Jer. 29:11-14 NKJ)

 

[jeremiah1five]

I cited the text, and even bolded the words. You ignored them. Of course, you ignore me. Now you want to change the subject to "holy people." No thanks. You said everyone practices evil and won't seek God. You are wrong:

20 "For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 "But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God." (Jn. 3:14-21 NKJ)

He who does truth WILL seek God and be saved, because they do so with their whole heart:

But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. (Deut. 4:29 KJV)

11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.
12 Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you.
13 And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.
14 I will be found by you, says the LORD, (Jer. 29:11-14 NKJ)

There's only two ways: life and death.
Sin and sinless.
Holy and unholy.
Righteous and unrighteous.
What you're doing is trying to justify your position by misunderstanding Scripture.
Everyone born into the world is a sinner. They practice evil.
God doesn't look at His Word through your eyes, thank God.
So, if one does not practice evil then they are holy, righteous, sinless.
NO ONE cannot help but practice evil especially if they are not saved and that means EVERYONE before they become saved.
The Scripture is Romans says NO ONE SEEKS GOD.
So, how do they become saved?
Just say you don't know which is better than trying to do gymnastics with the Truth of Scripture to make it bend to your will.

 

[eddif]

The unbeliever is only body and soul. (Matt. 10:28)
The born-again believer is body, soul, and human spirit. (1 Thess. 5:23)

You wear people out LOL

The born again person has:
Old body (maybe promises)
New heart (law in heart Of flesh)
New mind (law in mind) (Mind of Christ)
Revelation 3:20
Baptism of Holy Spirit (for power to witness)
(Baptized by Jesus)

Mississippi Redneck
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[Alfred Persson]

There's only two ways: life and death.
Sin and sinless.
Holy and unholy.
Righteous and unrighteous.
What you're doing is trying to justify your position by misunderstanding Scripture.
Everyone born into the world is a sinner. They practice evil.
God doesn't look at His Word through your eyes, thank God.
So, if one does not practice evil then they are holy, righteous, sinless.
NO ONE cannot help but practice evil especially if they are not saved and that means EVERYONE before they become saved.
The Scripture is Romans says NO ONE SEEKS GOD.
So, how do they become saved?
Just say you don't know which is better than trying to do gymnastics with the Truth of Scripture to make it bend to your will.

Notice, three times I posted the scripture contradicting your position. Three times you changed the subject.

Fourth time:

You said everyone practices evil and won't seek God. These scriptures prove that wrong:

20 "For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 "But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God." (Jn. 3:14-21 NKJ)

He who does truth WILL seek God and be saved, because they do so with their whole heart:

But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. (Deut. 4:29 KJV)

11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.
12 Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you.
13 And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.
14 I will be found by you, says the LORD, (Jer. 29:11-14 NKJ)

 

[Consecrated Life]

Luk 15:24
"For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.

The word lost is always used of God’s elect people.

Wrong.
The word "lost" is used by the Lord referring exclusively to the lost.
"saved" "found" are the terms used by this Jesus who is the Christ to refer to those who are no longer "lost"
Your consistent lack of quoting any scripture to back your assertion, notwithstanding.

Jhn 17:12
I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Try again.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You wear people out LOL

The born again person has:
Old body (maybe promises)
New heart (law in heart Of flesh)
New mind (law in mind) (Mind of Christ)
Revelation 3:20
Baptism of Holy Spirit (for power to witness)
(Baptized by Jesus)

Mississippi Redneck
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The "heart" means the actual organ.
They don't get a new organ.
The "heart" in the Old Testament meant the life of a person not the proverbial heart. Jesus doesn't live in the organ called the heart.
Jesus is at the right hand of God in heaven.
So, when you read about a heart in Scripture it doesn't mean the organ unless the word is "kardia" in the New Testament Greek.
We get "cardiac" from this word.
It's what is called a misnomer.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Notice, three times I posted the scripture contradicting your position. Three times you changed the subject.

Fourth time:

You said everyone practices evil and won't seek God. These scriptures prove that wrong:

20 "For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 "But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God." (Jn. 3:14-21 NKJ)

He who does truth WILL seek God and be saved, because they do so with their whole heart:

But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. (Deut. 4:29 KJV)

11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.
12 Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you.
13 And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.
14 I will be found by you, says the LORD, (Jer. 29:11-14 NKJ)

Oh no, you're using a corrupt translation (NKJV 1982) translated from the Revised Version by Westcott and Hort using corrupt Greek texts. ALL new age modern translations use their Greek texts. That's why you have error in your belief system.
Now let's do this right:

5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Ge 6:5.

EVERYONE does evil. Everyone hates the light (Christ), they love darkness (sin/evil) and they neither come to the light (Christ.)
Romans says in support that NO ONE seeks God.
Now, tell me HOW do people become saved?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Luk 15:24
"For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.



Wrong.
The word "lost" is used by the Lord referring exclusively to the lost.
"saved" "found" are the terms used by this Jesus who is the Christ to refer to those who are no longer "lost"
Your consistent lack of quoting any scripture to back your assertion, notwithstanding.

Jhn 17:12
I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Try again.

The word "perdition" means "ruin."
It has three senses: physical, spiritual, and eternal.
Judas wasn't lost spiritually because the Holy Spirit had not yet been given.
Judas wasn't lost eternally because what had been given was the atonement of Christ in His body and blood at the Last supper.
Judas was "lost" physically as he committed suicide in obedience to the Law of Moses of life for a life. And Scripture says his bowels gushed out so there is your physical ruin. Suicide and gushed bowels.

 

[Consecrated Life]

The word "perdition" means "ruin."
It has three senses: physical, spiritual, and eternal.
Judas wasn't lost spiritually because the Holy Spirit had not yet been given.
Judas wasn't lost eternally because what had been given was the atonement of Christ in His body and blood at the Last supper.
Judas was "lost" physically as he committed suicide in obedience to the Law of Moses of life for a life. And Scripture says his bowels gushed out so there is your physical ruin. Suicide and gushed bowels.

Your lack of providing any specific scripture of this Jesus who is the Christ using the term " lost " to support any of your crackpot assertions regarding the term, is duly noted.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Your lack of providing any specific scripture of this Jesus who is the Christ using the term " lost " to support any of your crackpot assertions regarding the term, is duly noted.

I gave you the definition of the word "perdition."
I gave the three senses in which this word is to be understood.
I provided Scripture of Judas' eternal security, of Christ choosing him to be apostle, of the atonement being applied to the twelve at the table and leave it at that.
I guess you think Christ is crackpot for dying for his elect, for choosing Judas as a true apostle, and of Judas' obedience to the Law of Moses of life for life which is the reason why he committed suicide.

 

[Consecrated Life]

I gave you the definition of the word "perdition."
I gave the three senses in which this word is to be understood.
I provided Scripture of Judas' eternal security, of Christ choosing him to be apostle, of the atonement being applied to the twelve at the table and leave it at that.

You provide nothing scriptural because you can't.
By your crackpot spiritual assertion that Judas was saved you by definition then assert that Satan is able to overpower the Spirit of Jesus Christ and possess the soul of a person who has been saved by Jesus Christ:

Jhn 13:27
And after the sop Satan entered into him.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You provide nothing scriptural because you can't.
By your crackpot spiritual assertion that Judas was saved you by definition then assert that Satan is able to overpower the Spirit of Jesus Christ and possess the soul of a person who has been saved by Jesus Christ:

Jhn 13:27
And after the sop Satan entered into him.

According to Scripture all the angels that sinned were dealt with by God between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Pe 2:4.

And it also says "the devil put into him to betray" and since all the angels that sinned are in chains of darkness we must find another meaning for Satan which means "adversary" and "adversary" of God can and has been identified in Scripture as a man.
Even in Isaiah it says, "is this the man" referring to Lucifer. But I don't want to confuse you.
There are no sinning angels on the planet loose and doing whatever they want because they are all in chains of darkness reserved unto the day of judgment.
All the evil upon mankind originates in man, not fallen angels that sinned and are in chains of darkness awaiting judgment.