DOES GOD LOVE EVERYONE?

[jeremiah1five]

Jesus said that Satan " Entered " into Judas.

Jhn 13:27
And after the sop Satan entered into him.

Calling Jesus a liar is not something a Christian would do .

Can't be. The Holy Spirit said the angels that sinned were cast down into hell and delivered in chains of darkness to await judgment, so if I were you I'd get a better understanding of the word "satan."
It means "adversary" not Lucifer who is in chains.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Only the "sons of God" angels who took human wives are chained in Tartarus, the Nephilim fallen angels went to the abyss (Rev. 9:1ff) when they died physically in the flood. Satan and his angels remain in heaven till this day, Michael hasn't kicked them out yet. That happens during the final seven years of this age Rev. 12:7-9).

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The Nephilim: Satan's Fallen Angels 1 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the LORD said,

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The word "nephal" means "tyrant" and "bullies" which is the result of covenant human sons of God who were unequally yoked with non-covenant women and their children grew up without restraint and without law.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes, and?

Their evil had already been dealt with by God.
They are kept under the law until faith should appear, and faith appeared in the Holy Spirit.

 

[Alfred Persson]

The word "nephal" means "tyrant" and "bullies" which is the result of covenant human sons of God who were unequally yoked with non-covenant women and their children grew up without restraint and without law.

Sorry, haven't found your analysis of anything in scripture, to be accurate.

Satan cast his demons down to earth after seducing Eve, and then Adam to sin:

3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads.
4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. (Rev. 12:3-4 NKJ)

He tried to corrupt God's image in man with the image of angels, that's what the Nephilim were doing in the war against the "woman's seed" Christ (Gen. 3:15).

Because humanity was pissed off God forbade them access to immortality (Gen. 3:22-24; 6:3, 5) they conspired with Satan and their daughters forced the Watchers to see pornography 24/7 until they were seduced to leave their proper habitation and also take human wives:

1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,
2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3 And the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." (Gen. 6:1-3 NKJ)

They thought unfallen angels (immortal) would sire human children also immortal. Perhaps they did, but its moot because all died in the flood:

21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man.
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died.
23 So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive.
(Gen. 7:21-23 NKJ)

Satan's angels trapped on earth (God wouldn't permit they reenter heaven) died physically, the "spirits of demons" (πνεύματα δαιμονίων Rev. 16:14 BGT) went to the Abyss. The angelic sons of God didn't join Satan's rebellion, they sinned by having sex with strange flesh. They are in Tartarus, not the Abyss with Satan's demons:

6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
(Jude 1:6-7 NKJ)

The "men of renown", hybrid angel human offspring of both the Nephilim and sons of God, who wouldn't believe Noah's preaching God would forgive their "Frankenstein nature", went to a special prison because they weren't evil, just not able to believe Noah's preaching.


As for the wicked "men of renown", when they died they became the "unclean spirits" who are subordinate to demons, roaming the earth seeking corporeality by possessing insects, animals and men.

As for the Nephilim who weren't permitted to return to heaven, but who didn't have sex with women, these also died in the flood and the disembodied "demons" also roam the earth possessing insects, animals and men and some amuse themselves by making existence miserable for the lesser "hybrid angel-human" unclean spirits.

The angel of God shone the light on the earth revealing all these things to those with eyes to see, who believe the Scriptures and all that is written. These unclean spirits and demons infest Christendom and all the world's false religions inspiring all sorts of evil:

1 After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory.
2 And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, "Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird! (Rev. 18:1-2 NKJ)

Jesus revealed all this to His disciples:

31 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: "The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field,
32 "which indeed is the least of all the seeds; but when it is grown it is greater than the herbs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and nest in its branches."
33 Another parable He spoke to them: "The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal till it was all leavened."
34 All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and without a parable He did not speak to them,
35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: "I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world."
(Matt. 13:31-35 NKJ)

 

[eddif]

If you asked me "do those who practice evil" get a chance at restoration, I'd say no. They had their chance and chose to practice evil.

I agree

Adam and Eve were a type and Shadow of things to come. Not just the first and zero reference.

I need to shut up for now.

eddif

 

[Alfred Persson]

I agree

Adam and Eve were a type and Shadow of things to come. Not just the first and zero reference.

I need to shut up for now.

eddif

Adam and Eve repented, implied by thanking God for blessings:

Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, "I have acquired a man from the LORD." (Gen. 4:1 NKJ)

 

[jeremiah1five]

Adam and Eve repented, implied by thanking God for blessings:

Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, "I have acquired a man from the LORD." (Gen. 4:1 NKJ)

An unbeliever who thanks God for something doesn't mean they've repented from their sins.

 

[Alfred Persson]

An unbeliever who thanks God for something doesn't mean they've repented from their sins.

Incorrect. She was hoping Cain was the promised seed that would restore all things (Gen. 3:15). That is implied when she gives birth again, referencing the seed:

And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth, "For God has appointed another seed for me instead of Abel, whom Cain killed." (Gen. 4:25 NKJ)

Adam and Eve repented and were hoping the seed that would slay the Serpent whom God promised, was Seth.

And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel." (Gen. 3:15 NKJ)

 

[for_his_glory]

If you asked me "do those who practice evil" get a chance at restoration, I'd say no. They had their chance and chose to practice evil.

Only if they turn back to God and repent of their evilness then God will forgive them and remember their evil ways no more.

1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
John 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

According to the question of the OP, yes, God does love all He has created as God so loved the world (humans) that He gave His only begotten Son Christ Jesus that whosoever will believe in Him will noy be condemned. Man only condemns him own self by loving the darkness more that the light and have already judged themselves.

 

[GodsGrace]

Well, why would you think they were? Jesus had not yet died for any of them. How, then, could they have been saved in the NT sense?

What do you mean IN THE NT SENSE?
Either a person is saved or they are not.

These are the persons in question from post 128:
Job, Anna, Simeon, Joseph, and Cornelius were not saved people
JOB:
Job 1:1
1There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job; and that man was blameless, upright, fearing God and turning away from evil.
He was blameless. To who? We only respond to God and only God can judge us.
So Job was blameless before God.
He feared God....or he respected God, I'm not sure since it could have meant either, but either will work).
He turned away from evil.
Sound like repentence.

ANNA:
Luke 2:37
37and then as a widow to the age of eighty-four. She never left the temple, serving night and day with fastings and prayers.
38At that very moment she came up and began giving thanks to God,,,
Anna was a prophetess. Were there any male prophets that were not saved?
She never left the temple, where persons went to worship God.
She fasted and she prayed.
She gave thanks to God.


JOSEPH:
God picked Joseph to be the father of Jesus.
I believe that's enough.

CORNELIUS:

Acts 10:1
1Now there was a man at Caesarea named Cornelius, a centurion of what was called the Italian cohort,
2a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, and gave many alms to the Jewish people and prayed to God continually.

Cornelius was a devout man.
He feared God.
He prayed to God continually. (do we do this?)


What I can say Tenchi, is that I'm rather surprised at your statement that the above were not saved.
Apparently your standards are higher than God's.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Incorrect. She was hoping Cain was the promised seed that would restore all things (Gen. 3:15). That is implied when she gives birth again, referencing the seed:

And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth, "For God has appointed another seed for me instead of Abel, whom Cain killed." (Gen. 4:25 NKJ)

Adam and Eve repented and were hoping the seed that would slay the Serpent whom God promised, was Seth.

And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel." (Gen. 3:15 NKJ)

Cain and Abel were twins.

 

[Tenchi]

What I can say Tenchi, is that I'm rather surprised at your statement that the above were not saved.
Apparently your standards are higher than God's.

Hmmm. Well, I mean "saved" in the sense in which the Gospel means it: In response to trusting in Christ as Savior and Lord, being indwelt by the Holy Spirit and given new, spiritual life in him, becoming a new creature in Christ thereby. (Romans 10:9-10; Titus 3:5; 1 Corinthians 6:19-20; 2 Corinthians 5:17)

None of those I mentioned could have been saved in this way prior to the cross. Do you think they were? If so, why did Jesus have to die?

 

[GodsGrace]

Hmmm. Well, I mean "saved" in the sense in which the Gospel means it: In response to trusting in Christ as Savior and Lord, being indwelt by the Holy Spirit and given new, spiritual life in him, becoming a new creature in Christ thereby. (Romans 10:9-10; Titus 3:5; 1 Corinthians 6:19-20; 2 Corinthians 5:17)

None of those I mentioned could have been saved in this way prior to the cross. Do you think they were? If so, why did Jesus have to die?

You know why Jesus had to die T, and so do I.
Short:
God created man.
Knew man would sin.
God created a remedy.

Jesus' death was valid from the beginning of man's creation since there is no time with God.
Persons were always saved even before Jesus' sacrifice, because His sacrifice was for all time and for all men.
His death DID open the gates of heaven, which were previously closed and the saved were waiting in Abraham's Bosom,
Luke 15.

I understand what you're saying above, however I don't think we can say that they are not saved. This, to me at least, would mean that they're in hell, and certainly this is not true.

Also, as to your reason as to why Jesus had to die, that would also be the difference between the Mosaic Covenant and the New Covenant. God still requires us to obey Him....but in the NC we now have the ability to do this whereas before it was totally a man's effort. This, in my opinion, is the biggest difference between the Old and New Covenant.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Cain and Abel were twins.

1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, "I have acquired a man from the LORD."
2 Then she bore again, this time his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. (Gen. 4:1-2 NKJ)

 

[Alfred Persson]

Hmmm. Well, I mean "saved" in the sense in which the Gospel means it: In response to trusting in Christ as Savior and Lord, being indwelt by the Holy Spirit and given new, spiritual life in him, becoming a new creature in Christ thereby. (Romans 10:9-10; Titus 3:5; 1 Corinthians 6:19-20; 2 Corinthians 5:17)

None of those I mentioned could have been saved in this way prior to the cross. Do you think they were? If so, why did Jesus have to die?

I'm butting in, to add my two cents. Everyone born before Christ, was still covered by His sacrifice. He was slain in the first century, but it retroactively applies even to Adam and Eve:

"...written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." (Rev. 13:8 NKJ)

From God's timeless perspective, the moment He decided to create was the moment the Lamb was slain, but He appeared once "at the end of the ages" so His sacrifice could bear the sins of many since the foundation of the world:

24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another--
26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. (Heb. 9:24-28 NKJ)

No one is saved apart from Christ, even the greatest men of faith, or people like Job. The infinite blood of God the Son covers the entire cosmos (since the foundation of the world):

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. (Jn. 14:6 NKJ)

16 "For God so loved the world (Kosmos) that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. (Jn. 3:16 NKJ)

"With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." (Matt. 19:26 NKJ)

 

[jeremiah1five]

1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, "I have acquired a man from the LORD."
2 Then she bore again, this time his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. (Gen. 4:1-2 NKJ)

You completely missed it.

 

[Alfred Persson]

You completely missed it.

1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. (Gen. 4:1-2 KJV)

"I have gotten a man" singular, not "twins" plural. We don't know how much time it was before she "again bare".

They were not twins as you claimed. So what did I miss?

 

[Vinny37]

That’s an interesting Q.

Define ‘someone. Would you call a demon a someone? Are they not intrinsically unlovable? Perhaps some human beings are not conceived as intrinsically lovable spiritually—I do not know but suspect as much.

Define ‘love’ also. If you love someone, you allow them not to reciprocate. C S Lewis called humans who hold out against God’s love into damnation, successful rebels into the bitter end. To those refusing his love, perhaps incapable of receiving his love, can we truly say that he loves/has loved, them?

Perhaps at least we should say that he will love whom he can, and as much as they will allow.

There is also a covenant love (commitment): I should love women inclusively, but my wife exclusively. In this specific love, I would say that he loved Ethnic Israel (in contradistinction to the nations), and that he loves the church (in contradistinction to the ‘world’ (the rebellious κοσμος/kosmos)).

 

[jeremiah1five]

1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. (Gen. 4:1-2 KJV)

"I have gotten a man" singular, not "twins" plural. We don't know how much time it was before she "again bare".

They were not twins as you claimed. So what did I miss?

She didn't conceive (again.)
She conceived and bare Cain, and then she bare Abel.

 

[jeremiah1five]

That’s an interesting Q.

Define ‘someone. Would you call a demon a someone? Are they not intrinsically unlovable? Perhaps some human beings are not conceived as intrinsically lovable spiritually—I do not know but suspect as much.

Define ‘love’ also. If you love someone, you allow them not to reciprocate. C S Lewis called humans who hold out against God’s love into damnation, successful rebels into the bitter end. To those refusing his love, perhaps incapable of receiving his love, can we truly say that he loves/has loved, them?

Perhaps at least we should say that he will love whom he can, and as much as they will allow.

There is also a covenant love (commitment): I should love women inclusively, but my wife exclusively. In this specific love, I would say that he loved Ethnic Israel (in contradistinction to the nations), and that he loves the church (in contradistinction to the ‘world’ (the rebellious κοσμος/kosmos)).

God's Love is a verb. A verb is a word that describes 'action.'
God so loved...that HE GAVE.

He gave Christ and Christ gave His love to the Church.
Christ did not give His love to the world of everyone, but only His Church, and His Church consists of those whose names are in the book of LIFE.
If God loves you God will save you.
If God does not love you God will not save you.
All according to the good pleasure of His will, of course.