DOES GOD LOVE EVERYONE?

[eddif]

I gave you the definition of the word "perdition."
I gave the three senses in which this word is to be understood.
I provided Scripture of Judas' eternal security, of Christ choosing him to be apostle, of the atonement being applied to the twelve at the table and leave it at that.
I guess you think Christ is crackpot for dying for his elect, for choosing Judas as a true apostle, and of Judas' obedience to the Law of Moses of life for life which is the reason why he committed suicide.

Give us the scripture reference.

I took a few beginning Greek classes one time with a friend. We found out quickly that the Greek class agreed with the denomination teaching the class. Another denomination would have their Greek class agree with their denomination/group.
So
Give us the scriptures if we request them. We may not get it right, but we will try and hopefully pray to understand..

Just because you are told (this is what the Greek means). regretfully does mean it is correct.

My friend and I asked if another denomination Greek class would be the same. The teacher tried to dodge the question. Finally the teacher admitted it would be Different. So just because your beloved group assured you what the Greek means (does not make it so).

This is a sad thing to tell. It grieves me to tell the story, we should depend on language, but we just can not. In one sense that is why I sound strange talking about human anatomy in the Bible. When I see (what I believe to be a crucified man when I see the natural heart pacemaker… that is one reason I am there. When I spend time looking at parable interpretation, that Greek class is a reason I continually do the human anatomy stuff. Can I be wrong at something? Yes. hawkman for_his_glory
Highway54 Alfred Persson Free Hidden In Him wondering Jethro Bodine others thst wonder eddif (why)


Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Hidden In Him]

My friend and I asked if another denomination Greek class would be the same. The teacher tried to dodge the question. Finally the teacher admitted it would be Different. So just because your beloved group assured you what the Greek means (does not make it so).

Yes, how the Greek NT is translated will vary wildly depending upon who you ask.

If you want my advice, take the Greek class that doesn't have Jeremiah 1five in it.

 

[GodsGrace]

Give us the scripture reference.

I took a few beginning Greek classes one time with a friend. We found out quickly that the Greek class agreed with the denomination teaching the class. Another denomination would have their Greek class agree with their denomination/group.
So
Give us the scriptures if we request them. We may not get it right, but we will try and hopefully pray to understand..

Just because you are told (this is what the Greek means). regretfully does mean it is correct.

My friend and I asked if another denomination Greek class would be the same. The teacher tried to dodge the question. Finally the teacher admitted it would be Different. So just because your beloved group assured you what the Greek means (does not make it so).

This is a sad thing to tell. It grieves me to tell the story, we should depend on language, but we just can not. In one sense that is why I sound strange talking about human anatomy in the Bible. When I see (what I believe to be a crucified man when I see the natural heart pacemaker… that is one reason I am there. When I spend time looking at parable interpretation, that Greek class is a reason I continually do the human anatomy stuff. Can I be wrong at something? Yes. hawkman for_his_glory
Highway54 Alfred Persson Free Hidden In Him wondering Jethro Bodine others thst wonder eddif (why)


Mississippi redneck
eddif

You know eddif, I feel kind of sorry for you.
You're a very spiritual person.
Why do you need to know Greek?
Why don't you just trust God
Because we don't agree on everything on this forum doesn't mean anything.
It just means we don't agree.
You love God, I think you follow Him and that's all you need.

Greek is greek. It's taught as the language.
Perhaps you could learn from a secular source?
Or, you could stop worrying about it.
I speak 3 or 4 languages, depending how you count, I know how difficult it is to translate
from one language to another and I know what can be lost.
I don't worry about it. The translators did the best they could. If you just buy a normal bible that doesn't have someone's name in it (like for instance John MacArthur's Study Bible) you'll be safe and will know what God expects from you.

He does not expect you to know all theology.
Let's leave that up to the pros.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Give us the scripture reference.

I took a few beginning Greek classes one time with a friend. We found out quickly that the Greek class agreed with the denomination teaching the class. Another denomination would have their Greek class agree with their denomination/group.
So
Give us the scriptures if we request them. We may not get it right, but we will try and hopefully pray to understand..

Just because you are told (this is what the Greek means). regretfully does mean it is correct.

My friend and I asked if another denomination Greek class would be the same. The teacher tried to dodge the question. Finally the teacher admitted it would be Different. So just because your beloved group assured you what the Greek means (does not make it so).

This is a sad thing to tell. It grieves me to tell the story, we should depend on language, but we just can not. In one sense that is why I sound strange talking about human anatomy in the Bible. When I see (what I believe to be a crucified man when I see the natural heart pacemaker… that is one reason I am there. When I spend time looking at parable interpretation, that Greek class is a reason I continually do the human anatomy stuff. Can I be wrong at something? Yes. hawkman for_his_glory
Highway54 Alfred Persson Free Hidden In Him wondering Jethro Bodine others thst wonder eddif (why)


Mississippi redneck
eddif

One thing necessary for the understanding the Scripture is the anointing of the Holy Spirit Who IS THE Teacher.
You see, I stopped reading commentaries which are basically other men's bible studies and trusted the KJV and the anointing for my understanding as one cannot truly come to the knowledge of the truth without the Holy Spirit and a good translation which is the Authorized King James Version for the English-speaking people.
I also use only one Greek and Hebrew which for me is the trusted Strong's who gives the definition and doesn't "lead the witness" which means adding statements to lead the reader to what THEY think it should be applied and understood. Vine's is notorious for doing that by telling the reader how the word is to be understood.
I don't mess around with these modern-day new age English translations since they are translated using the corrupt Greek texts used by Westcott and Hort (1881.)

 

[GodsGrace]

One thing necessary for the understanding the Scripture is the anointing of the Holy Spirit Who IS THE Teacher.
You see, I stopped reading commentaries which are basically other men's bible studies and trusted the KJV and the anointing for my understanding as one cannot truly come to the knowledge of the truth without the Holy Spirit and a good translation which is the Authorized King James Version for the English-speaking people.
I also use only one Greek and Hebrew which for me is the trusted Strong's who gives the definition and doesn't "lead the witness" which means adding statements to lead the reader to what THEY think it should be applied and understood. Vine's is notorious for doing that by telling the reader how the word is to be understood.
I don't mess around with these modern-day new age English translations since they are translated using the corrupt Greek texts used by Westcott and Hort (1881.)

I gave you a like, but I do disagree with some of what you wrote.
But I agree with most.

 

[Tenchi]

The Roman epistle as well as ALL Scripture God is speaking to a people ALREADY saved.

??? Not at all. The Early Church was rife with "tares," "false brethren" the apostle Paul called them (2 Corinthians 11:26; Galatians 2:4), and with people Paul thought needed to test themselves to see whether or not they were actually in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5). Read Romans 2:1-24, if you really think Paul thought all of his readers would be born-again believers and so directed his comments only to such people.

The Law was written to and for Israel.
The Psalms was written to and for Israel.
The prophets were written to and for Israel.
The gospels were written to and for Israel.

???

Everyone loves darkness, hates Christ, neither come to Christ, and Romans 3 says NO ONE seeks God.
So, I ask again, HOW do people become saved?

If you're not even going to consider the answers you're given to your questions, why bother asking them? If you just want to soapbox rather than discuss, you should make this clear so folks like myself won't bother engaging you in discussion.

As the Bible itself indicates, it is not so that everyone loves darkness and hates Christ. Job, Anna, Simeon, Joseph, and Cornelius were not saved people but they didn't love darkness, nor did they hate Christ. The Bible describes them as "righteous," "devout," "good," "God-fearing," "upright," "blameless," and "turning away from evil." (See post #82 and Job 1:1) And what of the many people around the world who've never heard of Christ? How do they hate one of whom they are entirely ignorant? Surely, you can see the glaring problems with making sweeping generalities such as you are making. Let Scripture qualify and clarify itself. When you do, you'll see how badly wilted TULIP is.

 

[for_his_glory]

Here is my answer to word meanings that we read the Bible for what has already been written and allow the Holy Spirit teach us instead of arguing and debating about Hebrew or Greek words that most of us could never understand. It's no wonder they say English is the hardest language to learn.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

2Tim 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Tim 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

1John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
1John 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
1John 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[GodsGrace]

??? Not at all. The Early Church was rife with "tares," "false brethren" the apostle Paul called them (2 Corinthians 11:26; Galatians 2:4), and with people Paul thought needed to test themselves to see whether or not they were actually in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5). Read Romans 2:1-24, if you really think Paul thought all of his readers would be born-again believers and so directed his comments only to such people.



???



If you're not even going to consider the answers you're given to your questions, why bother asking them? If you just want to soapbox rather than discuss, you should make this clear so folks like myself won't bother engaging you in discussion.

As the Bible itself indicates, it is not so that everyone loves darkness and hates Christ. Job, Anna, Simeon, Joseph, and Cornelius were not saved people but they didn't love darkness, nor did they hate Christ. The Bible describes them as "righteous," "devout," "good," "God-fearing," "upright," "blameless," and "turning away from evil." (See post #82 and Job 1:1) And what of the many people around the world who've never heard of Christ? How do they hate one of whom they are entirely ignorant? Surely, you can see the glaring problems with making sweeping generalities such as you are making. Let Scripture qualify and clarify itself. When you do, you'll see how badly wilted TULIP is.

Why do you believe the persons you mentioned were not saved?

 

[eddif]

One thing necessary for the understanding the Scripture is the anointing of the Holy Spirit Who IS THE Teacher.
You see, I stopped reading commentaries which are basically other men's bible studies and trusted the KJV and the anointing for my understanding as one cannot truly come to the knowledge of the truth without the Holy Spirit and a good translation which is the Authorized King James Version for the English-speaking people.
I also use only one Greek and Hebrew which for me is the trusted Strong's who gives the definition and doesn't "lead the witness" which means adding statements to lead the reader to what THEY think it should be applied and understood. Vine's is notorious for doing that by telling the reader how the word is to be understood.
I don't mess around with these modern-day new age English translations since they are translated using the corrupt Greek texts used by Westcott and Hort (1881.)

You know I can’t comment on Virgin Strong.
I have used 2 strongs till pages and sections were falling apart.

I will say Elihu in Job was the whirlwind God ignored, but God did talk to Job. If we discern the Spirit of God we are Good to Go.
But
A ( I got it now) is a spiritual feeling but may not be God’s Spirit.
Job 4:15 kjv
15. Then a spirit passed before my face; the hair of my flesh stood up:
16. It stood still, but I could not discern the form thereof: an image was before mine eyes, there was silence, and I heard a voice, saying,
17. Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
18. Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly:
19. How much less in them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation is in the dust, which are crushed before the moth?


This is Eliphaz (who God said did not speak the truth) all Job’s friends did not speak the truth like Job did.

So just because we think we know the truth. We may not be right, if we are going by a wrong spirit.
1 John 4:1 kjv
1. Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Prophets try prophets.

Enough for now
eddif

 

[Consecrated Life]

You provide nothing scriptural because you can't.
By your crackpot spiritual assertion that Judas was saved you by definition then assert that Satan is able to overpower the Spirit of Jesus Christ and possess the soul of a person who has been saved by Jesus Christ:

Jhn 13:27
And after the sop Satan entered into him.

According to Scripture all the angels that sinned were dealt with by God between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Pe 2:4.

And it also says "the devil put into him to betray" and since all the angels that sinned are in chains of darkness we must find another meaning for Satan which means "adversary" and "adversary" of God can and has been identified in Scripture as a man.
Even in Isaiah it says, "is this the man" referring to Lucifer. But I don't want to confuse you.
There are no sinning angels on the planet loose and doing whatever they want because they are all in chains of darkness reserved unto the day of judgment.
All the evil upon mankind originates in man, not fallen angels that sinned and are in chains of darkness awaiting judgment.

You are nothing if not consistent in that absolutely nothing you follow up with here contains a shred of an attempt to reconcile your assertion that Judas was saved and is now with Jesus , and yet was able to have his very soul demonically possessed by Satan:

Jhn 13:27
And after the sop Satan entered into him.


When it comes to comprehending the Power of the Master's Glory you are as handicapped and challenged an individual as I have ever heard from.

"Let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon " (1 Corinthians 3:10)

 

[eddif]

??? Not at all. The Early Church was rife with "tares," "false brethren" the apostle Paul called them (2 Corinthians 11:26; Galatians 2:4), and with people Paul thought needed to test themselves to see whether or not they were actually in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5). Read Romans 2:1-24, if you really think Paul thought all of his readers would be born-again believers and so directed his comments only to such people.



???



If you're not even going to consider the answers you're given to your questions, why bother asking them? If you just want to soapbox rather than discuss, you should make this clear so folks like myself won't bother engaging you in discussion.

As the Bible itself indicates, it is not so that everyone loves darkness and hates Christ. Job, Anna, Simeon, Joseph, and Cornelius were not saved people but they didn't love darkness, nor did they hate Christ. The Bible describes them as "righteous," "devout," "good," "God-fearing," "upright," "blameless," and "turning away from evil." (See post #82 and Job 1:1) And what of the many people around the world who've never heard of Christ? How do they hate one of whom they are entirely ignorant? Surely, you can see the glaring problems with making sweeping generalities such as you are making. Let Scripture qualify and clarify itself. When you do, you'll see how badly wilted TULIP is.

We do not fight against flesh and blood.

eddif

 

[GodsGrace]

You are nothing if not consistent in that absolutely nothing you follow up with here contains a shred of an attempt to reconcile your assertion that Judas was saved and is now with Jesus , and yet was able to have his very soul demonically possessed by Satan:

Jhn 13:27
And after the sop Satan entered into him.


When it comes to comprehending the Power of the Master's Glory you are as handicapped and challenged an individual as I have ever heard from.

"Let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon " (1 Corinthians 3:10)

Jesus Himself said Judas was damned.
Some things just can't be debated.

 

[eddif]

Jesus Himself said Judas was damned.
Some things just can't be debated.

Be Nice? Civil?

Oh sorry. I guess you were nice. LOL

eddif

 

[jeremiah1five]

??? Not at all. The Early Church was rife with "tares," "false brethren" the apostle Paul called them (2 Corinthians 11:26; Galatians 2:4), and with people Paul thought needed to test themselves to see whether or not they were actually in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5). Read Romans 2:1-24, if you really think Paul thought all of his readers would be born-again believers and so directed his comments only to such people.



???



If you're not even going to consider the answers you're given to your questions, why bother asking them? If you just want to soapbox rather than discuss, you should make this clear so folks like myself won't bother engaging you in discussion.

As the Bible itself indicates, it is not so that everyone loves darkness and hates Christ. Job, Anna, Simeon, Joseph, and Cornelius were not saved people but they didn't love darkness, nor did they hate Christ. The Bible describes them as "righteous," "devout," "good," "God-fearing," "upright," "blameless," and "turning away from evil." (See post #82 and Job 1:1) And what of the many people around the world who've never heard of Christ? How do they hate one of whom they are entirely ignorant? Surely, you can see the glaring problems with making sweeping generalities such as you are making. Let Scripture qualify and clarify itself. When you do, you'll see how badly wilted TULIP is.

Those people were already in Covenant with God.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You are nothing if not consistent in that absolutely nothing you follow up with here contains a shred of an attempt to reconcile your assertion that Judas was saved and is now with Jesus , and yet was able to have his very soul demonically possessed by Satan:

Jhn 13:27
And after the sop Satan entered into him.


When it comes to comprehending the Power of the Master's Glory you are as handicapped and challenged an individual as I have ever heard from.

"Let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon " (1 Corinthians 3:10)

Jesus called Peter the person "Satan."
Big difference between "Satan" entering Judas which is impossible since all the angels that sinned are cast down into hell delivered into chains of darkness to await judgment, and Jesus calling Peter the person Satan.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I agree.

I note also that verse 20 has a person that has the knowledge of good and evil, like Adam. The person has made a choice. If approached about their condition they may have a chance to repent. Restoration?

Alfred Persson opinion

Mississippi redneck
eddif

If you asked me "do those who practice evil" get a chance at restoration, I'd say no. They had their chance and chose to practice evil.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Jesus called Peter the person "Satan."
Big difference between "Satan" entering Judas which is impossible

Jesus said that Satan " Entered " into Judas.

Jhn 13:27
And after the sop Satan entered into him.

Calling Jesus a liar is not something a Christian would do .

 

[Tenchi]

Why do you believe the persons you mentioned were not saved?

Well, why would you think they were? Jesus had not yet died for any of them. How, then, could they have been saved in the NT sense?

 

[Tenchi]

Those people were already in Covenant with God.

Yes, and?

 

[Alfred Persson]

Jesus called Peter the person "Satan."
Big difference between "Satan" entering Judas which is impossible since all the angels that sinned are cast down into hell delivered into chains of darkness to await judgment, and Jesus calling Peter the person Satan.

Only the "sons of God" angels who took human wives are chained in Tartarus, the Nephilim fallen angels went to the abyss (Rev. 9:1ff) when they died physically in the flood. Satan and his angels remain in heaven till this day, Michael hasn't kicked them out yet. That happens during the final seven years of this age Rev. 12:7-9).

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The Nephilim: Satan's Fallen Angels 1 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the LORD said,

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