Does The Bible Teach There Is A Second Chance In The Afterlife To Be Saved By Jesus?

[justbyfaith]

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 20:10, And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The equation for 2 Thessalonians 1:9 being y = 1 / x;

Wherein x is the time elapsed and y = the wholeness of the individual as he is diminished by fire.

As x increases, y decreases and never reaches zero.

When x = 1,000,000, y = 1 / 1,000,000.

 

[gordon777]

Rev 20:10, And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The equation for 2 Thessalonians 1:9 being y = 1 / x;

Wherein x is the time elapsed and y = the wholeness of the individual as he is diminished by fire.

As x increases, y decreases and never reaches zero.

When x = 1,000,000, y = 1 / 1,000,000.

Everlasting destruction is to cease to be a y, or x, or anything.

That is why we are told all is dissolved and all is made new.

All passes away but the eternal Spirit/the Word. ( which if in us, is us not passing away with all else too.)



Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Hell is for ever (Matthew 25:46).

Incorrect. The "goats" (Church goers who failed to become born again before Christ's return, and who didn't help Christ's "brethren" during the Tribulation/persecution by the Beast), are cast into Gehenna Fire (=Lake of fire).

The sheep are changed in a twinkling of an eye and join the Christ's Kings and Priests (the raptured church/1st resurrection) seated with Him at this judgment.

Then the rest of Earth's population gets a second chance, they enter Christ's millennial kingdom, repopulate the earth for 1,000 years. They remain "dead" (not given eternal life) because Satan will be released to deceive the earth once more. Gog and Magog are then cast into the lake of fire. So is Satan.

Then these "dead" are judged at the Great White Throne, first. All who were righteous are recorded in the book of life, those who are not or have their names blotted out.

Then all the dead in Death Hades and the Sea are raised up to be judged. Some rise to a resurrection of life, others to a resurrection of condemnation.

Then all not found written in the book of life are cast body and soul in gehenna Lake of Fire.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Incorrect. The "goats" (Church goers who failed to become born again before Christ's return, and who didn't help Christ's "brethren" during the Tribulation/persecution by the Beast), are cast into Gehenna Fire (=Lake of fire).

The sheep are changed in a twinkling of an eye and join the Christ's Kings and Priests (the raptured church/1st resurrection) seated with Him at this judgment.

Then the rest of Earth's population gets a second chance, they enter Christ's millennial kingdom, repopulate the earth for 1,000 years. They remain "dead" (not given eternal life) because Satan will be released to deceive the earth once more. Gog and Magog are then cast into the lake of fire. So is Satan.

Then these "dead" are judged at the Great White Throne, first. All who were righteous are recorded in the book of life, those who are not or have their names blotted out.

Then all the dead in Death Hades and the Sea are raised up to be judged. Some rise to a resurrection of life, others to a resurrection of condemnation.

Then all not found written in the book of life are cast body and soul in gehenna Lake of Fire.

I left out Christ's angels go forth and every vile and wicked person they find will be cast into the lake of fire, right after the goats:

49 "So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
50 "and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
(Matt. 13:49-50 NKJ)

Then the rest of earth's population enter Christ's millennial kingdom to repopulate the earth.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Then you have lost this debate; for I have logically answered the scriptures that you have presented.

Post #171 cited many scriptures proving my point. You ignored them all, not answered even one of them.

The only one debating is me and its been like a one-man wrestling match...no contest and not very entertaining.

 

[justbyfaith]

Everlasting destruction is to cease to be a y, or x, or anything.

Everlasting destruction is destruction that continues to happen throughout eternity.

It does not happen all at once.

It is a situation where you are continually being destroyed and are never completely destroyed; as I have shown in my equation.

 

[justbyfaith]

Incorrect.

Incorrect.

Clearly, sound biblical doctrine states that those who are judged and cast into the lake of fire will be in the lake of fire for ever; where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth.

However, the scripture declares (2 Timothy 4:3) that in the latter days men shall not endure sound doctrine but shall heap for themselves teachers to tell them what their itching ears want to hear.

 

[justbyfaith]

Post #171 cited many scriptures proving my point. You ignored them all, not answered even one of them.

The only one debating is me and its been like a one-man wrestling match...no contest and not very entertaining.

I answered their premise even if I did not go through them one-by-one, answering them in the way that you might want me to.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Incorrect.

Clearly, sound biblical doctrine states that those who are judged and cast into the lake of fire will be in the lake of fire for ever; where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth.

However, the scripture declares (2 Timothy 4:3) that in the latter days men shall not endure sound doctrine but shall heap for themselves teachers to tell them what their itching ears want to hear.

Sound Biblical doctrine rests upon a careful study of Scripture.

For example:

Does the Lake of Fire Symbolize Eternal Torment for all cast into it?

When "Death and Hades" are cast into the lake of fire" they are destroyed (1 Cor. 15:26), but the Devil, Beast and False Prophet receive eternal torment (Rev. 20:10). These different fates require the symbolism of a consuming fire that cannot be quenched (Isa. 66:24; Mk. 9:44, 46 48) is not pertinent to the duration of whatever is cast into it; Whatever is cast in can be immediately destroyed or endure for an undetermined period of time. Hence, it can be said "their lot or destiny, their part" (3313 μέρος meros, Re. 21:8) is "according to works", assessed proportionally according to guilt. "Death and Hades" in this context can't be personified, they are guiltless abodes for the dead. Satan and crew on the other hand, are guilty of eternal sins therefore, " they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." (Rev. 20:10 NKJ)

Does the Lake of Fire Symbolize Eternal Torment? | End Time News

Does the Lake of Fire Symbolize Eternal Torment for all cast into it? When “Death and Hades” are cast into the lake of fire” they are destroyed (1 Cor. 15:26), but the Devil, Beast and False Prophet receive eternal torment (Rev. 20:10). These different fates require the symbolism of a consuming...

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[justbyfaith]

When "Death and Hades" are cast into the lake of fire" they are destroyed (1 Cor. 15:26),

The second death is never destroyed. It is the second death that Hades and the first death are cast into in order to be destroyed.

Notice that Revelation 21:8 comes after Revelation 21:5.

This means that the lake of fire exists even after all things have been made new.

 

[Alfred Persson]

The second death is never destroyed. It is the second death that Hades and the first death are cast into in order to be destroyed.

Notice that Revelation 21:8 comes after Revelation 21:5.

This means that the lake of fire exists even after all things have been made new.

Equivocation fallacy. In Revelation 20:13 "death" is a place where dead souls exist. Its not alive and therefore cannot die a first or second death in the sense your argument defines death.

13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (Rev. 20:13-14 NKJ)

"Second Death" is symbolic of a "death from which there is no return", a total destruction of any way back to God.

Fire consumes, burns up completely, like chaff:

"His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." (Matt. 3:12 NKJ)

Or the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah which no longer burn, but are destroyed (consumed by fire) so completely they never return: They suffer "eternal fire":

7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Jude 1:7 NKJ)

So the cities are destroyed forever, but not all the people who died in them. They get a second chance:

"But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you." (Matt. 11:24 NKJ)

The only way the "Day of Judgment" can be "tolerable" is if one isn't cast into the lake of fire after the Judgment.

 

[justbyfaith]

Equivocation fallacy. In Revelation 20:13 "death" is a place where dead souls exist. Its not alive and therefore cannot die a first or second death in the sense your argument defines death.

13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (Rev. 20:13-14 NKJ)

"Second Death" is symbolic of a "death from which there is no return", a total destruction of any way back to God.

Fire consumes, burns up completely, like chaff:

"His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." (Matt. 3:12 NKJ)

Or the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah which no longer burn, but are destroyed (consumed by fire) so completely they never return: They suffer "eternal fire":

7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Jude 1:7 NKJ)

So the cities are destroyed forever, but not all the people who died in them. They get a second chance:

"But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you." (Matt. 11:24 NKJ)

The only way the "Day of Judgment" can be "tolerable" is if one isn't cast into the lake of fire after the Judgment.

Pro 30:15, The horseleach hath two daughters, crying, Give, give. There are three things that are never satisfied, yea, four things say not, It is enough:
Pro 30:16, The grave; and the barren womb; the earth that is not filled with water; and the fire that saith not, It is enough.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Pro 30:15, The horseleach hath two daughters, crying, Give, give. There are three things that are never satisfied, yea, four things say not, It is enough:
Pro 30:16, The grave; and the barren womb; the earth that is not filled with water; and the fire that saith not, It is enough.

"The grave" in Hebrew is 07585 שְׁאוֹל she'owl, translated in the Greek Septuagint as 86 ᾅδης hades.

When Hades/Sheol is emptied of all its dead and cast into the lake of fire, Solomon's proverb will be out of date.

 

[justbyfaith]

Equivocation fallacy again! "The grave" in Hebrew is 07585 שְׁאוֹל she'owl, translated in the Greek Septuagint as 86 ᾅδης hades.

When Hades/Sheol is emptied of all its dead and cast into the lake of fire, Solomon's proverb will be out of date.

The fire never says, it is enough.

It will burn for ever and ever.

 

[Alfred Persson]

The fire never says, it is enough.

It will burn for ever and ever.

It does not logically follow whatever is cast into unquenchable fire, continues to exist. Just the opposite as fire is known to destroy, consume completely all tossed into it. Unquenchable just means you can't put it out, can't cast so much in that it is "quenched."

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The problem with the whole question in the title is the assumption that Jesus just came to save us from the punishment for our sins, that is hell. That is it. He died so that no one has to suffer and many can freely enter heaven being such as sinful and evil in character as they ever were. Does not matter as long as the perpetrators do not suffer. This is where the question assumes something untrue.

Jesus did not die to save us from hell. He died so that we can receive forgiveness and being the process of becoming sons of God. "To as many as received Him gave he the authority TO BECOME sons (and daughter of course) of God." Since the unbelieving evil doers died without even beginning that process, there is no hope. He or she is not a creature Heaven would want to have and they made no effort whatsoever (not even repenting) to become a creature fit for Heaven.

So no, there is no hope for thieves, liars, murderers, violent, selfish, greedy and manipulative users of others who never expressed the slightest regret for their choices. Heaven does not want them.

 

[Alfred Persson]

The problem with the whole question in the title is the assumption that Jesus just came to save us from the punishment for our sins, that is hell. That is it. He died so that no one has to suffer and many can freely enter heaven being such as sinful and evil in character as they ever were. Does not matter as long as the perpetrators do not suffer. This is where the question assumes something untrue.

Jesus did not die to save us from hell. He died so that we can receive forgiveness and being the process of becoming sons of God. "To as many as received Him gave he the authority TO BECOME sons (and daughter of course) of God." Since the unbelieving evil doers died without even beginning that process, there is no hope. He or she is not a creature Heaven would want to have and they made no effort whatsoever (not even repenting) to become a creature fit for Heaven.

So no, there is no hope for thieves, liars, murderers, violent, selfish, greedy and manipulative users of others who never expressed the slightest regret for their choices. Heaven does not want them.

That rather "wacko assumption" is not implied by anything I wrote on this subject.

God created hell to save those this fallen realm would otherwise cause to be cast into the lake of fire. But the wicked will be punished, and no child of the Devil will enter God's kingdom.

 

[justbyfaith]

Hell is a place of torment (Luke 16:19-31).

 

[Alfred Persson]

Hell is a place of torment (Luke 16:19-31).

Why would God create a "temporary place" of torment?

Hades will be emptied of its inhabitants, all will rise in the Resurrection, therefore the Rich Man was not being eternally punished in Hades (Rev. 20:13-14). That fact implies Hades is "an intermediate state" where a second chance to repent could very well exist.

Other facts indicate the Rich Man was not irredeemable, that the gifts and calling of God were not revoked in his case (Romans 11:26-32).

1.) Rather than a self-absorbed man who curses both Abraham and God for his plight, the Rich Man shows selfless concern for his family (Luke 16:27).
2.) Abraham affectionately calls the Rich Man "son" (Luke 16:25). It is impossible Abraham would speak affectionately if the Rich Man were an irredeemable enemy of God: "Do I not hate them, O LORD, who hate you? And do I not loathe those who rise up against you?" (Psalm 139:21).
3.) Abraham and others wanted to comfort the Rich Man, but an impassible chasm prevented them (Luke 16:26). It is impossible the redeemed would rebelliously want to subvert God's punishment of the wicked (Rev. 15:3-4). Therefore, the scene does not depict God's punishment.
4.) When the Rich Man cried "I am tormented (3600 ὀδυνάω odunao) in this flame (5395 φλόξ phlox)", his words convey meaning many don't see. The Rich Man is in "sorrow" (cp. Acts 20:38 3600 ὀδυνάω odunao) for his sins, for the first time he is 100% aware how badly he missed the mark of God's perfection. God's inspection, His "eyes like a flame of fire" are bringing every dark secret and sin to the light, all self-delusion is being purged. Just as it is written: The Lord has washed away the filth… and purged the blood of Jerusalem…by the spirit of judgment and by the spirit of burning" (Isa. 4:4 NKJ).


A "second chance" doesn't require a crossing over from hell to heaven. Rather, the repentant spirit is saved in the "Day of the Lord Jesus" (1 Cor. 5:5) when the Death and Hell are emptied out and those who "done good" upon obediently hearing Christ's voice (1 Peter 4:6) rise to a resurrection of life (John 5:28-29; Rev. 20:13-14).

 

[justbyfaith]

Why would God create a "temporary place" of torment?

Hell is a place of everlasting torment.

Those whose names are not written in the Book of Life will reside in hell for ever; even after hell has been cast into the lake of fire.