Does The Bible Teach There Is A Second Chance In The Afterlife To Be Saved By Jesus?

[Alfred Persson]

Round and round.

There was no second chance for humanity to return to Eden. A concept was established.

There there was one chance for Old Testament people to be saved for eternity. That chance was when Jesus preached to those in Abraham’s Bosom (those who had made it into Abraham’s Bosom). The concept of a chance to fulfill the first chance occured only once. Not a second chance, but a fulfillment to complete their first opportunity.

Jesus fulfilled the law. Those under the law had a chance to fulfill their life under the law (by responding to his preaching in Abraham’s Bosom). That door closed.

From the preaching in Abraham’s Bosom forward the Gospel message is the only chance.

Creation knowledge sends people to seek God. Seek and ye shall find. Ask and it will be opens to you. Ask or seek and the missionary will come. A man from Macedonia appeared in a vision.

Second chance No.
Completed chance? Yes.

Did I complete it all correctly/completely? I highly doubt it. Is the concept there? I hope so.

Christian conversation or legalistic war?

Mississippi redneck
eddif

Christ's millennial Kingdom is a return to Eden. Then God exceeds that with a New Heavens and New Earth, a cosmic paradise far beyond anything that has "entered the heart of man" to imagine.

Your foundational "concept" wasn't established, which rendered the house you built on it impossible.

The Second Chance concept remains standing, your objection notwithstanding.

 

[eddif]

Christ's millennial Kingdom is a return to Eden. Then God exceeds that with a New Heavens and New Earth, a cosmic paradise far beyond anything that has "entered the heart of man" to imagine.

Your foundational "concept" wasn't established, which rendered the house you built on it impossible.

The Second Chance concept remains standing, your objection notwithstanding.

Hebrews 6 says we can not return to repentance.

We can not return to Eden IMHO. We can repent of Eden and move forward to the solution for the sin in Eden. Eden is a type and shadow of leaving the old and seeking the newer. The law was the next type and shadow that has us leave the old and seek the solution.

The new heavens (IMHO) is the law placed in our hearts and minds. It is not as physical as Eden or the Law of Moses, but a spiritual reality on the way to heaven for eternity. Can I be wrong? Maybe.

I will just say: (I still see types and shadows as being completed to higher levels, and no return to the old and try again).

At this point we may just have to stop.

eddif

 

[justbyfaith]

All fallen in Adam have an evil human nature, and you'll get no argument from me that God can punish all for it. But He sent His Only Begotten Son to save us. Which indicates "what God can do, and what He does" can be very different.

Jesus' point was made in the contrast between morally flawed humans who still had paternal love for their children, and Perfect God who loved us, how much more would He give His children good gifts.

I think you missed Christ's point.

And you deflected. If you really thought all your unbelieving family and friends will be eternally tormented, you would not be wasting time debating me, you would weep and moan in their presence, begging them to become believers.

But deep down inside, you don't believe God will do that. I've never met a Christian who does. They claim (as I once did) to believe that, but their actions prove otherwise.

I take the tactic of preaching to as many as possible in order that my own kin might become jealous and seek salvation, just as it was with the tactic of Paul.

I believe that I may save someone who will save someone who will turn around and save some of my lost family.

For I have found that there is a barrier to evangelism with them precisely because they are my family. That same barrier may not exist in a situation where someone I have won to Christ is ministering to them.

 

[eddif]

I take the tactic of preaching to as many as possible in order that my own kin might become jealous and seek salvation, just as it was with the tactic of Paul.

I believe that I may save someone who will save someone who will turn around and save some of my lost family.

For I have found that there is a barrier to evangelism with them precisely because they are my family. That same barrier may not exist in a situation where someone I have won to Christ is ministering to them.

I more or less agree.
The more saved the better.
The ones we convince may reach some we can’t.

Restoring the stubborn overtaken in a sin may take turning them over to Satan to convince some others neither of us can help.

It gets complicated and confusing, but not impossible.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[JasonLickliter]

I think its dangerous to teach or think there is a second chance. Its either you accept jesus as your savior and believe in god or not.

Only sorta second chance I can think of is when your aware of an opportunity and understand thats god and jesus is calling you and you reject that. Now god only has to give you one chance but he could decide later and try again.

I was given a chance to accept jesus I think about 2-3 times and turned them down. I was born and my dad went to a church called the world wide church of god. It was lead by Herbert W Armstrong. It was a clut. People called it Armstrongism. So cause of my child hood experience being there and leaving it behind and ruined my relationship with father at age 14 or something. After I left and didnt want to go there anymore my dad told me he was done with me. This left me in a position that I had no clue where a real church or even did god exist? There is so many different churches out there and religions and different bibles. Very confusing to me.

Anyway some people wanted to talk to me about jesus and go to there church and ask me if i knew jesus. I really didnt care and thought it would be best to figure out my life on my own and not listen to people to tell me how to live.

Anyway i did make the choice to enter into church and get saved and baptised. I feel like I was the one to do that and didnt do it for any other reason.

So honestly I feel like god only had to give me one chance and I think he gave me few extra. I think the difference was when I wanted it. Just took me awhile to figure it out.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Hebrews 6 says we can not return to repentance.

We can not return to Eden IMHO. We can repent of Eden and move forward to the solution for the sin in Eden. Eden is a type and shadow of leaving the old and seeking the newer. The law was the next type and shadow that has us leave the old and seek the solution.

The new heavens (IMHO) is the law placed in our hearts and minds. It is not as physical as Eden or the Law of Moses, but a spiritual reality on the way to heaven for eternity. Can I be wrong? Maybe.

I will just say: (I still see types and shadows as being completed to higher levels, and no return to the old and try again).

At this point we may just have to stop.

eddif

I agree, they won't take their second chance. But most others will.

The New Heavens and New Earth is better than Eden, which contradicts the foundation of your argument.

Stop disbelieving scripture. On that I agree:


28 "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
29 "and come forth-- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
(Jn. 5:28-29 NKJ)

 

[eddif]

I agree, they won't take their second chance. But most others will.

The New Heavens and New Earth is better than Eden, which contradicts the foundation of your argument.

Stop disbelieving scripture. On that I agree:


28 "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
29 "and come forth-- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
(Jn. 5:28-29 NKJ)

Your report on what you perceive I said seems not to be what I said. LOL.

eddif

 

[Alfred Persson]

Your report on what you perceive I said seems not to be what I said. LOL.

eddif

Post #221
Round and round.

There was no second chance for humanity to return to Eden. A concept was established.

There there was one chance for Old Testament people to be saved for eternity.

The premise is incorrect. The New Heavens and New Earth is far better than Eden, and Adam and Eve will be there.

If we follow your logic, "a concept was established." The concept of a "second chance" just like Adam and Eve will get.

 

[Alfred Persson]

"Does the Bible teach there is a second chance in the afterlife to be saved by Jesus?

Some believe we have only one life on earth to make our decision for or against God. Hebrews 9:27 says "it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment." They believe Jesus' parable reveals no second chance for the uncharitable Rich Man in Hell. When he asks Lazarus to warn his family about hell he is told they have sufficient warning in the Bible to take the opportunity to repent and be saved during this life.

However, the very next verse (Hebrews 9:28) says after death and the "judgment" those judged "eagerly wait" for Christ's Second coming, for salvation. Therefore, the "judgment" (2920 κρίσις krisis) is "the second chance", in Greek krisis is a "trial, contest, selection…opinion or decision given"-Strong's Concordance. Clearly, all who repent and believe in Jesus "won" this "contest", because now they "eagerly wait for Him…for salvation":


Jesus taught the same thing. While still in the Grave the Dead will hear Christ's voice, and those who obey "do good" and therefore will rise to the "resurrection of life":


What about Jesus' parable? To begin with, its not a parable, it’s a prophecy Christ would send the risen Lazarus to the mocking Pharisees (Luke 16:14) and they would treat Lazarus (John 12:9-11) just as they treated Moses and the prophets, rejecting their testimony about Christ (Luke 16:29-31). As a "prophecy" it is truth, not "false prophecy."

The context implies a second chance exists for the Rich Man.

1.)Rather than a self-absorbed man who curses both Abraham and God for his plight, the Rich Man shows selfless concern for his family (Luke 16:. 2.) Abraham affectionately calls the Rich Man "son" (Luke 16:25). It is impossible Abraham would speak affectionately if the Rich Man were an irredeemable enemy of God: "Do I not hate them, O LORD, who hate you? And do I not loathe those who rise up against you?" (Psalm 139:21). 3.) Abraham and others wanted to comfort the Rich Man, but an impassible chasm prevented them (Luke 16:26). It is impossible the redeemed would rebelliously want to subvert God's punishment of the wicked (Rev. 15:3-4). Therefore, the scene does not depict God's punishment. 5) When the Rich Man cried "I am tormented (3600 ὀδυνάω odunao) in this flame (5395 φλόξ phlox)", his words convey meaning many don't see. The Rich Man is in "sorrow" (cp. Acts 20:38 3600 ὀδυνάω odunao) for his sins, for the first time he is 100% aware how badly he missed the mark of God's perfection. God's inspection, His "eyes like a flame of fire" are bringing every dark secret and sin to the light, all self-delusion is being purged. Just as it is written: The Lord has washed away the filth… and purged the blood of Jerusalem…by the spirit of judgment and by the spirit of burning" (Isa. 4:4 NKJ)

Christ's prophecy to the Pharisees revealed even the children of Abraham(Matthew 3:9-10) like the Rich Man, if they die enemies of the gospel rejecting His authority, they will be chastised in Hades contrary to their belief Abraham would not permit an Israelite enter Hades: “In the world to come Abraham sits at the gate of Gehenna, permitting none to enter who bears the seal of the covenant” (Genesis Rabbah xlviii). Paul touches on this subject declaring "the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable". All Israel will be saved even if they must pass suffer the torments of hell first (Romans 11:26-33; 1 Corinthians 3:11-15).

Those who have not committed eternal sins will be purged of all that subverts their ability to make the free will confession Jesus is the
Christ, the Son of God and have life in His Name (John 20:28-31). All addiction to sin and self-delusion is burned away by the torment (931 βάσανος basano) of God's inspection, revealing the truth of the individual, who he really is. Once liberated and fully able to make a free will choice the gospel of Christ is preached, for belief or non-belief in Christ are the only grounds for judgment (Matthew 21:42; Mark 12:10; John 3:16-18; 5:24; 14:6; 20:31; Acts 4:11-12;1 Peter 2:6-8). Therefore, only after a definite and formal presentment of the Gospel of Christ is made to a soul fully capable of making an informed and free judgment will God judge the conscious and deliberate acceptance or rejection of Christ.

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A Correction:

Until now I believed the repentant dead in Hades rise during the Great White Throne Judgment when Hades is emptied out (Rev. 20:11-15). However, I now favor they rise with the church at Christ's second appearing. I resisted this "nagging possibility" until now, resisting the prompting of the Holy Spirit because of unwarranted weight I gave to Revelation 20:13, which actually begs the question completely.

Not so Hebrews 9:28 , it identifies when Christ's salvation comes with precision---at His second "appearing" (3700 ὀπτάνομαι optanomai) when He is seen, at His second coming (3952 παρουσία Parousia) as visible as lightning (Mt. 24:27). No Christian, ancient or modern would interpret "second appearing" as anything other than Christ's second coming, "the day of Christ", at the last trump when the dead in Christ rise first (1 Thess. 4:13-18).

 

[Alfred Persson]

A Correction:

Until now I believed the repentant dead in Hades rise during the Great White Throne Judgment when Hades is emptied out (Rev. 20:11-15). However, I now favor they rise with the church at Christ's second appearing. I resisted this "nagging possibility" until now, resisting the prompting of the Holy Spirit because of unwarranted weight I gave to Revelation 20:13, which actually begs the question completely.

Not so Hebrews 9:28 , it identifies when Christ's salvation comes with precision---at His second "appearing" (3700 ὀπτάνομαι optanomai) when He is seen, at His second coming (3952 παρουσία Parousia) as visible as lightning (Mt. 24:27). No Christian, ancient or modern would interpret "second appearing" as anything other than Christ's second coming, "the day of Christ", at the last trump when the dead in Christ rise first (1 Thess. 4:13-18).

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Tim. 3:16-17 NKJ)

 

[eddif]

A Correction:

Until now I believed the repentant dead in Hades rise during the Great White Throne Judgment when Hades is emptied out (Rev. 20:11-15). However, I now favor they rise with the church at Christ's second appearing. I resisted this "nagging possibility" until now, resisting the prompting of the Holy Spirit because of unwarranted weight I gave to Revelation 20:13, which actually begs the question completely.

Not so Hebrews 9:28 , it identifies when Christ's salvation comes with precision---at His second "appearing" (3700 ὀπτάνομαι optanomai) when He is seen, at His second coming (3952 παρουσία Parousia) as visible as lightning (Mt. 24:27). No Christian, ancient or modern would interpret "second appearing" as anything other than Christ's second coming, "the day of Christ", at the last trump when the dead in Christ rise first (1 Thess. 4:13-18).

The title and OP totally allow the discussion to continue IMHO.

There are scriptures to allow refinement of statements to the whole issue at hand.


You. again IMHO do not have to pick a traditional model of belief.

Do you wish to continue the discussion now or later?

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[eddif]

The title and OP totally allow the discussion to continue IMHO.

There are scriptures to allow refinement of statements to the whole issue at hand.


You. again IMHO do not have to pick a traditional model of belief.

Do you wish to continue the discussion now or later?

Mississippi redneck
eddif

I suggest Matthew 13:30 kjv
30. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The administrators will have comments.

eddif

 

[Annagrace]

A Correction:

Until now I believed the repentant dead in Hades rise during the Great White Throne Judgment when Hades is emptied out (Rev. 20:11-15). However, I now favor they rise with the church at Christ's second appearing. I resisted this "nagging possibility" until now, resisting the prompting of the Holy Spirit because of unwarranted weight I gave to Revelation 20:13, which actually begs the question completely.

Not so Hebrews 9:28 , it identifies when Christ's salvation comes with precision---at His second "appearing" (3700 ὀπτάνομαι optanomai) when He is seen, at His second coming (3952 παρουσία Parousia) as visible as lightning (Mt. 24:27). No Christian, ancient or modern would interpret "second appearing" as anything other than Christ's second coming, "the day of Christ", at the last trump when the dead in Christ rise first (1 Thess. 4:13-18).

Hi,

Matthew 24:27 Does not say He will come as visible as lightening; please try to refrain from inserting context into scripture that isn’t in scripture, as this is dangerous for both you and those who blindly read and accept it as truth.

Scripture reads,
“For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭27‬ ‭ESV‬‬

And verse 37-39 of this chapter reads, “For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.”

The emphasis here isn’t on that which is visible to the human eye, but quite the opposite. The lightening signifies the speed in which His second coming will take place. It will happen fast in an unexpected manner; “like a thief in the night” here one second, gone the next.

Luke 17:24-27 is a helpful cross reference for this passage if you wish to better understand it.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Hi,

Matthew 24:27 Does not say He will come as visible as lightening; please try to refrain from inserting context into scripture that isn’t in scripture, as this is dangerous for both you and those who blindly read and accept it as truth.

Scripture reads,
“For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭27‬ ‭ESV‬‬

And verse 37-39 of this chapter reads, “For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.”

The emphasis here isn’t on that which is visible to the human eye, but quite the opposite. The lightening signifies the speed in which His second coming will take place. It will happen fast in an unexpected manner; “like a thief in the night” here one second, gone the next.

Luke 17:24-27 is a helpful cross reference for this passage if you wish to better understand it.

Invisible lightning storms where you live?

 

[Annagrace]

Invisible lightning storms where you live?

Perhaps.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Perhaps.

Not in Israel where Christ was speaking:

"For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes (5316 φαίνω phaino) to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. (Matt. 24:27 NKJ)


5316 φαίνω phaino
Meaning: 1) to bring forth into the light, cause to shine, shed light 2) shine 2a) to shine, be bright or resplendent. Strong's

Compare:

KJV Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

BBE Matthew 24:27 Because as in a thunderstorm the bright light coming from the east is seen even in the west; so will be the coming of the Son of man.

DBY Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning goes forth from the east and shines to the west, so shall be the coming of the Son of man.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I think its dangerous to teach or think there is a second chance. Its either you accept jesus as your savior and believe in god or not.

Only sorta second chance I can think of is when your aware of an opportunity and understand thats god and jesus is calling you and you reject that. Now god only has to give you one chance but he could decide later and try again.

I was given a chance to accept jesus I think about 2-3 times and turned them down. I was born and my dad went to a church called the world wide church of god. It was lead by Herbert W Armstrong. It was a clut. People called it Armstrongism. So cause of my child hood experience being there and leaving it behind and ruined my relationship with father at age 14 or something. After I left and didnt want to go there anymore my dad told me he was done with me. This left me in a position that I had no clue where a real church or even did god exist? There is so many different churches out there and religions and different bibles. Very confusing to me.

Anyway some people wanted to talk to me about jesus and go to there church and ask me if i knew jesus. I really didnt care and thought it would be best to figure out my life on my own and not listen to people to tell me how to live.

Anyway i did make the choice to enter into church and get saved and baptised. I feel like I was the one to do that and didnt do it for any other reason.

So honestly I feel like god only had to give me one chance and I think he gave me few extra. I think the difference was when I wanted it. Just took me awhile to figure it out.

My brother still is an Armstrongite. He's one of the people I think of when I think of a "second chance." He sincerely loves Jesus, but convinced Armstrong is right. I thank God He created Hades to purge self-delusion and brainwashing from souls, so they finally comprehend what Scripture says and then they can choose Christ and live.

There's a chance your dad repented in Hell, and you'll see Him in God's Kingdom. I hope so, that would be a wonderful event.



But no enemy of God gets a second chance:

30 "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.
31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven (ἀφεθήσεται) men , but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven (ἀφεθήσεται) men.
32 "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven (ἀφεθήσεται) him ; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven (ἀφεθήσεται) him, either in this age or in the age to come. (Matt. 12:30-32 NKJ)

Understandably men might oppose the "Son of Man" because they do not appreciate Jesus is "God incarnate", and so don't realize they are opposing God.

There is no forgiveness for opposing the obvious work of God and blaspheming the Holy Spirit , neither in this age or the age to come.

So the "second chance" isn't for enemies of God. They go to the lowest hell to wait for judgment Day, and be cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I suggest Matthew 13:30 kjv
30. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The administrators will have comments.

eddif

That isn't about the dead. When Christ comes His angels go forth and forcibly carry away the wicked, to be tossed headlong into the fire:

41 "The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
42 "and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (Matt. 13:41-42 NKJ)

So those were the survivors of Armageddon. Some likely Beast followers, but all "that offend and practice lawlessness" willfully, in full knowledge they do wrong. No second chance for them.

 

[Annagrace]

Not in Israel where Christ was speaking:

"For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes (5316 φαίνω phaino) to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. (Matt. 24:27 NKJ)


5316 φαίνω phaino
Meaning: 1) to bring forth into the light, cause to shine, shed light 2) shine 2a) to shine, be bright or resplendent. Strong's

Compare:

KJV Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

BBE Matthew 24:27 Because as in a thunderstorm the bright light coming from the east is seen even in the west; so will be the coming of the Son of man.

DBY Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning goes forth from the east and shines to the west, so shall be the coming of the Son of man.

Respectfully, you’re still putting emphasis on something that wasn’t meant to be emphasized and managing to miss the thing that’s being emphasized.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Respectfully, you’re still putting emphasis on something that wasn’t meant to be emphasized and managing to miss the thing that’s being emphasized.

Incorrect. I proved how impossible your interpretation is.

Christ's illustrated how wrong they would be when false prophets claimed Christ's presence had invisibly happened, but only the "anointed gurus" could see it. .


26 "Therefore if they say to you,`Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or`Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it.
27 "For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. (Matt. 24:26-27 NKJ)

Jehovah's Witnesses are clear targets of Christ's words.

The "anointed" of their Society claim only they could know Christ's coming happened in 1914. It requires "spiritual eyes" they alone have. They say Christ "entered the inner rooms" in 1914, moving from one place in heaven to another, that was His "coming presence" (parousia). Its effects are seen on earth like "lightning".

But specially anointed prophets are not needed to see Christ's coming, because everyone will see it just as lightning flashing in the sky is visible to everyone:

The sky will LIGHT UP so every "tribe" on earth will see it, EVEN the dead in Hell will see it, including those who pierced Him:

Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. (Rev. 1:7 NKJ)

To understand the Bible, you must study it to know what the words say.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (2 Tim. 2:15 KJV)


Read the context, especially the verses immediately above and below the verse you are studying; until you understand the context. The "who what where why when ".

Who is speaking and who are spoken to; what is He saying; where was He speaking, why was He speaking, when was He speaking and when will the event happen."

You didn't do that. You overlayed an interpretation on the scripture and that blinded you from seeing its truth.

That's what blind guides do, teach their own ideas rather than scripture and so they become fools:


16 "Woe to you, blind guides, who say, `Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged to perform it.'
17 "Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies the gold? (Matt. 23:16-17 NKJ)