Alfred Persson wrote:
"Again you ignore Christ, contradict Him without explanation. Christians are NOT being judged in Hebrews 9:27:
"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment (2920 κρίσις krisis), but has passed from death into life. (Jn. 5:24 NKJ)
And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment (2920 κρίσις krisis), (Heb. 9:27 NKJ)"
As I already explained - contrary to your assertion that I didn't - Christians aren't judged
in the same manner as the non-Christians are. As the verses I cited clearly indicated, the Christian's
works are judged - and burned up if they don't pass muster - but
they themselves are not judged. You've said nothing that actually rebuts this fact; instead, you've just repeated yourself, as though repetition is sufficient to argue your case. It isn't - especially when what you repeat has been shown to be in error.
??? I have no idea what you're going on about here.
You are the one making assertions contrary to Scripture, not me. Everything I've said about God's truth, I've grounded firmly in His word. You, not so much. Instead, you just draw yourself up in indignation and decry your opponents, as though that's sufficient to defend your views. It ain't.
No, sir.
You're the one from whom explanation is yet required. As I've shown, your notions about a "second chance" are anchored to a very faulty handling of Scripture. This verbal finger pointing doesn't do anything to dissolve this fact.
I apologize again for confusing your position with someone else.
I agree Christians are judged for their works in Christ, not their salvation. Their "pay" will be diminished if what they did in Christ was actually "chaff":
14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
(1 Cor. 3:14-15 NKJ)
But that is irrelevant to Hebrews 9:27, context shows this judgment is
about salvation, not being rewarded or cleansed from sin:
27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment
(2920 κρίσις krisis),
28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin,
for salvation (4991 σωτηρία soteria). (Heb. 9:27-28 NKJ)
"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment
(2920 κρίσις krisis), but has passed from death into life. (Jn. 5:24 NKJ)
Therefore, my argument stands. Both John 5:24 and
Hebrews 9:27 refer to a judgment "for salvation", not merits or a "cleansing from sin".
Because it is a judgment "for salvation" and not merits or a "purification of a believer", what you say here is irrelevant:
"No, the ones who wait eagerly for Christ are the saved who are, as I explained, waiting for the "completion" of their salvation, which is the elimination of the presence of all sin. They are, in Christ, already free of the penalty and power of sin but must wait 'til Christ's return to be forever free from sin's presence. This is what the writer of Hebrews meant when he wrote that Christ would appear a second time "without reference to sin" which is to say, not as the Lamb of God making atonement for sin again (see vs. 25 and 26)."-Tenchi
The context mentions purification by blood, but that is an action, not a "judgment".
Remission, which is a "putting away sin" results from a Judgment
(2920 κρίσις krisis).
22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no
remission.
23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another--
26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages,
He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. (Heb. 9:22-26 NKJ)
The writer speaks of purification of things in the temple, not to say Christians undergo the same process, but as analogous. Somewhat like items are accepted into the Temple after purification by blood, so Believers are accepted into the House of God after Christ's blood has REMITTED their sin.
Its an analogy. It does not say Christ is judging Christians, purifying them of sin. It says some eagerly wait for Christ to appear "after they died once", a second time apart from sacrificing Himself for sin, for salvation.
The dead eagerly wait for Christ.
That cannot be said about Christians, they aren't dead. The have "passed from death into life" WHEN THEY BELIEVED, while still physically alive.
This is made clear in Hebrews 9:28, Christ will appear "a second time apart from sin,
for salvation (4991 σωτηρία soteria). "
These dead eagerly wait for their salvation at Christ's second coming, not their cleansing. As Christians are saved to the uttermost in this life (Heb. 7:25), they aren't among these dead in hell.
As our Lord excludes Christians from a judgment "for salvation", Hebrews 9:27 only speaks about non-Christians. Therefore, it is a "second chance" for the unsaved to be saved after they die, during this judgment. Those who are judged to be among the "many" Christ's sacrifice "remitted sin", then eagerly wait in hell for Him to appear a second time "for salvation".
