Does the Holy Spirit move after Acts?

[BornAgain]

Your just wrong! God is confirming His Word today, ALL OVER THE WORLD! just as He Did over 2000 years ago!

Mar 16:16



He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17



And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18



They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mar 16:19



So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Mar 16:20

He that believeth—That is, he that believeth the gospel. It was to be preached in order that it might be believed. He that credits it to be true, and acts accordingly.

and is baptized—The preaching of the gospel imposes duties and responsibilities upon those who hear it. Here it imposes faith and baptism. Water baptism is a command, not a promise. Holy Spirit baptism is a promise, not a command. We obey commands and enjoy promises. Baptism in the commission is an act of obedience performed by the believer, and therefore it is a command. This being true, and since baptism of the Holy Spirit is always a promise and never a command, therefore the baptism of the commission is not Spirit baptism. Water baptism is a burial. "We were buried therefore with him through baptism into death." Rom 6:4. "Having been buried with him in baptism." Col 2:12.

shall be saved;—From past sins and their consequences. Salvation has both its negative and its positive side, freedom from sin and conformity to Christ. "Shall be saved" is equal to "unto the remission of your sins" in Acts 2:38, and "wash away thy sins," Acts 22:16. It is the new birth of John 3:5. "Except one be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." If baptism and the new birth is not one and the same, then one can be saved without the new birth for Jesus said: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved."

but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned.— Condemnation already rests on those who believe not John 3:18, but the apostles are here told that it shall rest on those who hear the gospel and believe it not. It rests on them now, and it must rest on them forever unless, at some period of life, they shall become believers. The state of condemnation which now exists will reach forward into eternity, unless its cause be removed. It has been seen that though Jesus says: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved," he does not, in saying the ground of condemnation, mention the failure to be baptized as part of it, but simply says: "He that disbelieveth shall be condemned." From this it is again inferred that baptism is not one of the conditions of pardon. But the conclusion does not follow for the fact that baptism is not mentioned in stating who shall be condemned can never remove it from the place it occupies in stating who shall be saved.

Jesus tells them in detail on what ground they are promised salvation; but as condemnation is his own work, not theirs, he speaks of that by naming the one sin of unbelief which renders all acceptable obedience impossible, and is the chief cause of all condemnation. He that believeth not is already judged or condemned. John 3:18.

One does not have to refuse to be baptized to be condemned—unbelief damns him before his refusal to be baptized. Unbelief will damn the world. A man should come to the commission, then, not to learn how he may be damned, but how he may be saved; and this it teaches him right plainly.
The assertion, "He that disbelieveth shall be condemned," implies that all who hear can believe—that no innate or acquired incredulity can justify unbelief of the gospel.

A responsible baptized unbeliever is under the same condemnation with the unbeliever. The unbeliever is condemned baptized or unbaptized. Baptism without faith will profit no one. "Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water." Matt 3:16 "Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in the Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water." Mark 1:9. Jesus is our model, and we ought to follow him in all things.

 

[BornAgain]

So if Jesus Christ, the Ruler of Heaven and Earth, says that those that "believe" would work signs and wonders! And the scriptures are full of the Holy Spirits work, we are supposed to believe you?:toofunny

And we should believe you?

 

[rrowell]

Why do you think it's only the Apostles and those around them who were baptized in the HS?

I don't think it was "those around them", I read from the Bible (not what I think) that the Apostles were baptized with the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, them alone, and again I read (to fulfill the prophecy of Joel and to show the Gentile God is not a respecter of person) the house of Cornelius baptized "with" the Holy Spirit. the only others that received any Gift of such magnitude were those the Apostles laid hands on, given by the apostles, but nobody that was given the power from an Apostle has EVER been documented the ability to pass it on further.

These powers everyone claims are still around died with the Apostles and those they laid hands on.

Even those the Apostles laid hands on were NOT baptized by the Holy Spirit, but given the gift from the Apostles.

Nowhere in the scripture can you prove to me of anyone besides the Apostles and house of Cornelius have EVER been "baptized with" the Holy Spirit.

All believers today receive the Gift of he Holy Spirit (an indwelling of Him) when they are water baptized. he does NOT do Miracles through us like he did the Apostles.

Do I believe miraculous things happen today? I believe they do, but by the power of Prayer, as long as it is in accordance to his will, and does not change his plan, he will answer, he tells us so and I believe him.

The power of Healing, Tongues, Prophecy etc. that came from "baptism with the HS" (all but love) died with the Apostles.

You have not, can not show me scriptural where today, anyone is baptized any other way than Acts. 2:38.

Next question: Who wrote the NT?

The Holy Spirit guiding the hand of the Apostles (that's what it means by inspiration)

So you wonder why all the stories are about what the apostles saw, its because they are the ones writing it. Just because you don't read about it in future tense doesn't mean the HS isn't for us.

You have a problem reading the tenses and persons addressed in he Bible. you have to put things in proper time and space (as well sometimes customs) of the time of the writ. Otherwise it leads to miss interpretation.

What about all these millions of Christians who've been baptized in the Spirit?

That's a lot to say they are all liars! We aren't adding to the Bible anymore so take it as you will. I really don't mind if you live your life believing God doesn't want you empowered. I can't convict you of anything, only God does that.

Please be careful my friend, many have fell for what we have been warned of in our Bible:

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (KJV)
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

 

[elijah23]

Mark 16:15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.â€

Are we suppose to heal the sick + cast out demons? What are your thoughts on this verse? I know there are many supporting verses, so this could be a doctrine to preach,cast out demons, speak in new tongues, and heal the sick?

The Holy Spirit is God. It is what we call him when he communicates directly with us. Those who can heal should heal.

 

[Mitspa]

And we should believe you?

I say believe God! not me nor any other man!


Mar 16:16



He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17



And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18



They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Jas 5:14



Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15



And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up;


1Co 14:12



Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
1Co 14:13



Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
1Co 14:14



For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15



What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
1Co 14:16



Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
1Co 14:17



For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
1Co 14:18



I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
1Co 14:19



Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

Funny how Paul could be so ignorant to write about gifts no one had or will ever have?

 

[BornAgain]

The Holy Spirit is God. It is what we call him when he communicates directly with us. Those who can heal should heal.

The gift of healing was given to the apostles...not man.

Here Jesus begins giving the Apostolic Commission, or, Great Commission, as it is often called. This was given on the day Jesus ascended to heaven. It is called a commission, because it committed to the apostles what they had not before received, the authority to preach the gospel, and to publish the conditions of salvation. Up to this time Jesus had forbidden them even to tell any man that Jesus was the Christ. Matt 16:20, 17:9.

 

[Butch5]

Why do you think it's only the Apostles and those around them who were baptized in the HS?

This might be the reason rrowell thinks that.

18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, (Act 8:18 KJV)

 

[BornAgain]

This might be the reason rrowell thinks that.

18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, (Act 8:18 KJV)

and is baptized—The preaching of the gospel imposes duties and responsibilities upon those who hear it. Here it imposes faith and baptism. Water baptism is a command, not a promise. Holy Spirit baptism is a promise, not a command. We obey commands and enjoy promises. Baptism in the commission is an act of obedience performed by the believer, and therefore it is a command. This being true, and since baptism of the Holy Spirit is always a promise and never a command, therefore the baptism of the commission is not Spirit baptism. Water baptism is a burial. "We were buried therefore with him through baptism into death." Rom 6:4. "Having been buried with him in baptism." Col 2:12.

 

[Mitspa]

The gift of healing was given to the apostles...not man.

Here Jesus begins giving the Apostolic Commission, or, Great Commission, as it is often called. This was given on the day Jesus ascended to heaven. It is called a commission, because it committed to the apostles what they had not before received, the authority to preach the gospel, and to publish the conditions of salvation. Up to this time Jesus had forbidden them even to tell any man that Jesus was the Christ. Matt 16:20, 17:9.

Jas 5:14

Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

Jas 5:15

And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up;

Mar 16:16

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Joh 14:12

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Rom 3:3

For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Rom 3:4

God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

 

[Butch5]

O' ye of little faith. Always looking for a sign just as a perverse generation does. Just because you don't see doesn't mean God can't or won't do it.

Asking somebody to drink a deadly cup or pick up a deadly snake is really "testing the Lord". We've been told not to test the Lord thy God, and here you have this attitude of desiring to test the Lord.

One of the biggest reasons we don't see much more of these signs is because Christians are being taught they aren't there! I teach that they are there and have seen demons cast out and many people healed! I'm def not the only Christian who've seen these things.

It's sad to see how many people really don't know the will of God. Nor do they know His character. God desires us to be healed! He desires us to understand His nature!

“If you will diligently listen to the voice of the LORD your God, and do that which is right in his eyes, and give ear to his commandments and keep all his statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you that I put on the Egyptians, for I am the LORD, your healer.†Exodus 15:26

So in the OT and NT God wants to heal us. Has that changed?

How is it anymore testing the Lord than the rest of the gifts you guys claim to have?

It seems to me that you guys just don't want those signs.

 

[BornAgain]

I say believe God! not me nor any other man!



Funny how Paul could be so ignorant to write about gifts no one had or will ever have?

Sorry, you just do not make any sense.

 

[Butch5]

I say believe God! not me nor any other man!


Mar 16:16



He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17



And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18



They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Jas 5:14



Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15



And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up;


1Co 14:12



Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
1Co 14:13



Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
1Co 14:14



For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15



What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
1Co 14:16



Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
1Co 14:17



For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
1Co 14:18



I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
1Co 14:19



Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

Funny how Paul could be so ignorant to write about gifts no one had or will ever have?

No, it's believe Mitspa. I'd bet every Christian here believes those passages. The difference is some believe them in context and some don't.

 

[BornAgain]

No, it's believe Mitspa. I'd bet every Christian here believes those passages. The difference is some believe them in context and some don't.

Right, context, it is called twisting scripture to fit your own belief.

 

[Mitspa]

How is it anymore testing the Lord than the rest of the gifts you guys claim to have?

It seems to me that you guys just don't want those signs.

Jud 1:10

But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Jud 1:16

These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

Jud 1:17

But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;


Jud 1:18

How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19

These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Jud 1:20

But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

1Co 14:37

If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
1Co 14:38

But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

1Co 14:39

Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

 

[Deborah13]

The gift of healing was given to the apostles...not man.

Here Jesus begins giving the Apostolic Commission, or, Great Commission, as it is often called. This was given on the day Jesus ascended to heaven. It is called a commission, because it committed to the apostles what they had not before received, the authority to preach the gospel, and to publish the conditions of salvation. Up to this time Jesus had forbidden them even to tell any man that Jesus was the Christ. Matt 16:20, 17:9.

If I understand you correctly, you believe that the commission was only given to the Apostles. If this is true, why do you go to church and listen to someone other than an Apostle and why are you on here sharing the Word? All you should being doing is reading the God's Word and receiving your teaching from the Holy Spirit.

 

[rrowell]

1Co 14:39

Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

There is that time and space thing again, If Paul was talking, the power existed, once the Apostle John died so too did "prophesy" and "speak with tongues".

 

[Mitspa]

There is that time and space thing again, If Paul was talking, the power existed, once the Apostle John died so too did "prophesy" and "speak with tongues".

Yea thats how prophecy works? when the prophet dies so does the "prophecy"??

Do you even hear how unbiblical that is?:toofunny

 

[rrowell]

If I understand you correctly, you believe that the commission was only given to the Apostles. If this is true, why do you go to church and listen to someone other than an Apostle and why are you on here sharing the Word? All you should being doing is reading the God's Word and receiving your teaching from the Holy Spirit.

It is referred to as "the great commission" because it was the first time our Lord "authorized" preaching the Gospel, it commenced with the Apostles (they were the only ones who would know it "at this time") so it was given to them, but it does not by default say it does not continue after their demise. (after all, one must have a Gospel to preach)

 

[rrowell]

Yea thats how prophecy works? when the prophet dies so does the "prophecy"??

Do you even hear how unbiblical that is?:toofunny

I don't know of any living prophet today do you? that's why we have a Bible...

The prophet died, the prophecy is written...

 

[BornAgain]

If I understand you correctly, you believe that the commission was only given to the Apostles. If this is true, why do you go to church and listen to someone other than an Apostle and why are you on here sharing the Word? All you should being doing is reading the God's Word and receiving your teaching from the Holy Spirit.

Yes, the gift of healing was given to the apostles. This is not my word but scripture. Show me where this is wrong.

And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. Mark 16:20 (KJV)


And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Matt 17:9 (KJV)