Does the Holy Spirit move after Acts?

[rrowell]

Mar 10:39

And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:

Mar 16:16

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Act 2:3

And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

Act 2:4

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

know ye not?

In Mark 16:17 the "them" must be understood, the "them" is the antecedent, therefore we must go to the noun the pronoun "them" refers to (which is the Apostles), the signs shall follow the Apostles that believe. Not You or Me.

 

[Mitspa]

John said here in Luke 3:16 "Jesus" is the only one who can baptize with the Holy Spirit, the only time he did this was the Apostles and the house of Cornelius.

The Holy Spirit is available to all (as far as indwelling) but it is not a baptism of Him "By Jesus", This is clearly affirmed here:

John 4:1-2 (KJV)
1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, 2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

Then the only baptism we get is the baptism, the same as the disciples, the only portion of the HS we get is the same as here Acts. 2:38 (KJV)

That is unless someone can show me scriptural that anyone other than the Apostles, and the house of Cornelius had this Baptism ONLY CHRIST CAN DO, done to anyone else?

Please show me?

Its for believers!

Mar 16:16

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Joh 14:12

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Whats so hard to understand?

Know ye not that ye are the temple of the Holy Spirit?

 

[Mitspa]

In Mark 16:17 the "them" must be understood, the "them" is the antecedent, therefore we must go to the noun the pronoun "them" refers to (which is the Apostles), the signs shall follow the Apostles that believe. Not You or Me.

so believe is not believe?

sorry you are very wrong? you even argue against yourself!


Act 19:1


And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

Act 19:5

When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6

And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

So then are you now saying that they are "apostles"?
also?

 

[smaller]

That is unless someone can show me scriptural that anyone other than the Apostles, and the house of Cornelius had this Baptism ONLY CHRIST CAN DO, done to anyone else?

Please show me?

It's rather odd that supposed believers can not even see this factual matter:

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

2 Corinthians 3:3
Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Galatians 3:14
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

1 Peter 1:11
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Would ANY believer BAPTISE anyone without a confession of their faith in Christ. To make that confession the HOLY SPIRIT must be within such to even MAKE such a confession.

1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Does the Holy Spirit still MOVE after Acts? What kind of a question is that anyway?

Does the Spirit of God in Christ LIVE in his people?

Amazing.

s

 

[Deborah13]

It is a serious question, I would like someone to show scriptural where anyone but the Apostles, or the house of Cornelius have been "baptized with the Holy Spirit"?

I see many on this forum claim to have been, if it can be that this can happen to them, it must be in the Bible...

I ask the serious question, where in the Bible has anyone been "baptized by the Holy Spirit" other than the Apostles, and the house of Cornelius?

Acts 19:1-6 - Apollos and other disciples (believers, followers of Christ)

This is one such other time. It's pretty obvious in Corinth that there were more than one or two considering they were not doing things in an orderly manner and Paul had to instruct them. But he never told them to stop. He said he was glad that he pray in tongues more "than ye all" I'd said that was more than one or two. But for them to seek the better gifts.

I realize this is not a discussion about the gifts but certainly they must have received these gifts from the Holy Spirit.
Paul said they were not just signs to unbelievers but to also edify the church as a whole.

1 Corinthians 14:2-5
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

So does God's Word lie? Signs are not just for the unbeliever but for the edifying the church.

Why would anyone want to rob the church of being edified by God?

 

[rrowell]

It's rather odd that supposed believers can not even see this factual matter:

How true this statement is.

Romans 8:9

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

This is not a baptism of the HS, but what we receive after water Baptism Acts 2:38

2 Corinthians 3:3

Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

This is not baptism of the HS, only the indwelling of Him that we receive after water baptism Acts. 2:38

Galatians 3:14

That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

This does not say anyone other than the Apostles or house of Cornelius had or will be "baptized with the Holy Spirit".

1 Peter 1:11

Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

This is not a baptism of the Holy Spirit to anyone but an Apostle, continue with this scripture:

1 Peter 1:11-12 (KJV)
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 12Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Who was the Gospel "revealed" by the Holy Spirit? to those that Preached it (Apostles)

Would ANY believer BAPTISE anyone without a confession of their faith in Christ. To make that confession the HOLY SPIRIT must be within such to even MAKE such a confession.

1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Does the Holy Spirit still MOVE after Acts? What kind of a question is that anyway?

it is the kind of question that says is there a difference in "baptism of the Holy Spirit" Acts 2:1-4 (KJV) Acts 10:44-45 (KJV) and "baptism by the Holy Spirit" Acts 2:38

Does the Spirit of God in Christ LIVE in his people?

Amazing.

s

Yes he does, but His people were not Baptized "with" the Holy Spirit. it Amazes me that people cannot see the difference, and they think they have been...

 

[Webb]

I have dealt with this numerous times on this forum and several times in detail. In a nutshell, those miraculous gifts lasted until the last apostle died and the last person having received the laying on of an apostle's hand died. By such time the NT was completed and no longer the need for miraculous gifts to comfirm the word. We now have the completed word of God to mankind, the OT and NT, and we today are under the latter testament.

 

[Webb]

Mitspa, in response to your post #262--You have claimed the signs of Mk.16:17,18 are for believers. You claim to be a believer. Yet you shy away from these signs. I have shown that the "signs" were for "confirming the word", ( And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. Mark 16:20). You claim those "signs" are for believers today, yet you shy away? Explain please.

 

[Mitspa]

I have dealt with this numerous times on this forum and several times in detail. In a nutshell, those miraculous gifts lasted until the last apostle died and the last person having received the laying on of an apostle's hand died. By such time the NT was completed and no longer the need for miraculous gifts to comfirm the word. We now have the completed word of God to mankind, the OT and NT, and we today are under the latter testament.

So if Jesus Christ, the Ruler of Heaven and Earth, says that those that "believe" would work signs and wonders! And the scriptures are full of the Holy Spirits work, we are supposed to believe you?:toofunny

 

[Mitspa]

Mitspa, in response to your post #262--You have claimed the signs of Mk.16:17,18 are for believers. You claim to be a believer. Yet you shy away from these signs. I have shown that the "signs" were for "confirming the word", ( And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. Mark 16:20). You claim those "signs" are for believers today, yet you shy away? Explain please.

What does "believer" mean to you?


Mar 16:17

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

 

[Mitspa]

It's rather odd that supposed believers can not even see this factual matter:

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

2 Corinthians 3:3
Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Galatians 3:14
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

1 Peter 1:11
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Would ANY believer BAPTISE anyone without a confession of their faith in Christ. To make that confession the HOLY SPIRIT must be within such to even MAKE such a confession.

1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Does the Holy Spirit still MOVE after Acts? What kind of a question is that anyway?

Does the Spirit of God in Christ LIVE in his people?

Amazing.

s

You Know "smaller", you and I have been around and around on several issues, but I must say I am starting to like you!

Mitspa

 

[Justin_Gilpin]

That is a very nice story told by Jesus of which we all should pay attention to...

But it did not answer the question (of which you too may answer),

What scripture in the good book do you use that you believe put you "in Christ"?

What scripture do you use to support the "point" you say you reached to make you feel in a saved condition "in Christ"?

It doesn't matter what Scripture I give you. rrowel, you and I have been round and round and it's getting us no where. By no means do I want to offend you. Though when you read the Bible, don't you understand that it's only by faith which we are saved? Faith being how we enter the Kingdom, how we get baptized in the Holy Spirit, how we pray and believe for the things we ask?

If you are serious about knowing God, then maybe you should spend serious time in prayer rather than the study of Scriptures. Don't neglect prayer.

I won't write my story here in the forums of how I reached that "point" of knowing I'm saved, but you can read it here.

 

[Justin_Gilpin]

You Know "smaller", you and I have been around and around on several issues, but I must say I am starting to like you!

Mitspa

I just used the same phrase with rrowell "round and round" without noticing your post haha.

 

[rrowell]

It doesn't matter what Scripture I give you. rrowel, you and I have been round and round and it's getting us no where. By no means do I want to offend you. Though when you read the Bible, don't you understand that it's only by faith which we are saved? Faith being how we enter the Kingdom, how we get baptized in the Holy Spirit, how we pray and believe for
the things we ask?

It is NOT by faith we are saved, it is THROUGH faith, there is a difference...

I challenge you again to show me where you, I or anyone else can be "baptized in the Holy Spirit", you tell me to "read my Bible", I say you need to read yours so you can show me where that happens or happened to anyone other than Apostles and the house of Cornelius? you cannot do it....

If you are serious about knowing God, then maybe you should spend serious time in prayer rather than the study of Scriptures. Don't neglect prayer.

I pray all the time, I rely on the HS to guide me, I use his revealed word to live by and not man made doctrine, I pray for wisdom James 1:5, I would recommend you do the same.

 

[Webb]

Mitspa--This is in response to your post 270 which was in respnse to me. You asked: "What does believer mean to you?" It means to me exactly what it means in the NT. Then you quoted Mk.16:17. But lets include vs. 18 as well. Now, when, since you claim the contents of vs. 17,18 are expected of those believers today have you done any of those signs? I mean, when was the last time you cast out a demon? When was the last time you took up a snake? When was the last time you drank a deadly cup? When was the last time you restored the lame? After all, you are a "believer" arn't you. Do these signs "follow" you? My challenge to you in a previous post remains.

God bless

 

[Mitspa]

It is NOT by faith we are saved, it is THROUGH faith, there is a difference...

I challenge you again to show me where you, I or anyone else can be "baptized in the Holy Spirit", you tell me to "read my Bible", I say you need to read yours so you can show me where that happens or happened to anyone other than Apostles and the house of Cornelius? you cannot do it....

I pray all the time, I rely on the HS to guide me, I use his revealed word to live by and not man made doctrine, I pray for wisdom James 1:5, I would recommend you do the same.

Act 2:3

And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Act 1:13

And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.
Act 1:14

These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
Act 1:15

And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)

Here is some "women" and about 120 others not on your list!

By the way can "women" recieve the Holy Spirit?

 

[Justin_Gilpin]

It is NOT by faith we are saved, it is THROUGH faith, there is a difference...

I challenge you again to show me where you, I or anyone else can be "baptized in the Holy Spirit", you tell me to "read my Bible", I say you need to read yours so you can show me where that happens or happened to anyone other than Apostles and the house of Cornelius? you cannot do it....

I pray all the time, I rely on the HS to guide me, I use his revealed word to live by and not man made doctrine, I pray for wisdom James 1:5, I would recommend you do the same.

Why do you think it's only the Apostles and those around them who were baptized in the HS?

Next question: Who wrote the NT?

So you wonder why all the stories are about what the apostles saw, its because they are the ones writing it. Just because you don't read about it in future tense doesn't mean the HS isn't for us.

What about all these millions of Christians who've been baptized in the Spirit?

That's a lot to say they are all liars! We aren't adding to the Bible anymore so take it as you will. I really don't mind if you live your life believing God doesn't want you empowered. I can't convict you of anything, only God does that.

Being saved through faith or by faith doesn't matter. Jesus said" your faith has healed you". So I guess we forgot only way is by/through has/having faith! Your so technical about every little detail that you've lost sight of the bigger picture.

 

[Justin_Gilpin]

Mitspa--This is in response to your post 270 which was in respnse to me. You asked: "What does believer mean to you?" It means to me exactly what it means in the NT. Then you quoted Mk.16:17. But lets include vs. 18 as well. Now, when, since you claim the contents of vs. 17,18 are expected of those believers today have you done any of those signs? I mean, when was the last time you cast out a demon? When was the last time you took up a snake? When was the last time you drank a deadly cup? When was the last time you restored the lame? After all, you are a "believer" arn't you. Do these signs "follow" you? My challenge to you in a previous post remains.

God bless

O' ye of little faith. Always looking for a sign just as a perverse generation does. Just because you don't see doesn't mean God can't or won't do it.

Asking somebody to drink a deadly cup or pick up a deadly snake is really "testing the Lord". We've been told not to test the Lord thy God, and here you have this attitude of desiring to test the Lord.

One of the biggest reasons we don't see much more of these signs is because Christians are being taught they aren't there! I teach that they are there and have seen demons cast out and many people healed! I'm def not the only Christian who've seen these things.

It's sad to see how many people really don't know the will of God. Nor do they know His character. God desires us to be healed! He desires us to understand His nature!

“If you will diligently listen to the voice of the LORD your God, and do that which is right in his eyes, and give ear to his commandments and keep all his statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you that I put on the Egyptians, for I am the LORD, your healer.†Exodus 15:26

So in the OT and NT God wants to heal us. Has that changed?

 

[Mitspa]

Mitspa--This is in response to your post 270 which was in respnse to me. You asked: "What does believer mean to you?" It means to me exactly what it means in the NT. Then you quoted Mk.16:17. But lets include vs. 18 as well. Now, when, since you claim the contents of vs. 17,18 are expected of those believers today have you done any of those signs? I mean, when was the last time you cast out a demon? When was the last time you took up a snake? When was the last time you drank a deadly cup? When was the last time you restored the lame? After all, you are a "believer" arn't you. Do these signs "follow" you? My challenge to you in a previous post remains.

God bless

Your just wrong! God is confirming His Word today, ALL OVER THE WORLD! just as He Did over 2000 years ago!

Mar 16:16



He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17



And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18



They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mar 16:19



So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Mar 16:20



And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.



Do you know what "Amen" means?

Joh 14:12



Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greaterworksthan these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Do you know what "verily verily" means?

1) firm
1a) faithful
2) verily, amen
2a) at the beginning of a discourse - surely, truly, of a truth
2b) at the end - so it is, so be it, may it be fulfilled. It was a custom, which passed over from the synagogues to the Christian assemblies, that when he who had read or discoursed, had offered up solemn prayer to God, the others responded Amen, and thus made the substance of what was uttered their own.



to render (or be) firm or faithful, to trust or believe, to be permanent

Amen- Mitspa

 

[smaller]

Mitspa--This is in response to your post 270 which was in respnse to me. You asked: "What does believer mean to you?" It means to me exactly what it means in the NT. Then you quoted Mk.16:17. But lets include vs. 18 as well. Now, when, since you claim the contents of vs. 17,18 are expected of those believers today have you done any of those signs? I mean, when was the last time you cast out a demon? When was the last time you took up a snake? When was the last time you drank a deadly cup? When was the last time you restored the lame? After all, you are a "believer" arn't you. Do these signs "follow" you? My challenge to you in a previous post remains.

God bless

Part of the same variance in sight as we touched on prior.

Believers do pick up VIPERS. You may however not 'discern' that they are so.

Here is John the Baptist picking them up:

Matthew 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Now some might even falsely believe Pharisees and Sadducees were vipers.

At some time some will get the picture here that these types of terms are allegorical to workings of THEE Serpent in men.

So is this POISON:

Psalm 140:3
They have sharpened their tongues like a serpent; adders' poison is under their lips. Selah.

James 3:8
But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

As to 'casting out' demons, part of casting out is to 'draw out' 'bring forth or 'reveal.' Jesus dealt with VIPERS in the Pharisees and Sadducees quite often and NEVER cast them out of those men. He revealed them and cast WOE upon those serpents.

Jesus picked up no physical serpents and drank no poison and did assuredly NOT mean those things in that manner.

I mean seriously. Living water from our belly's? When do we get real about that? Upon installation of a TAP in the navel?

Sometimes a believer is best to start in their own house to understand these matters.

Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also,

he cannot be my disciple.

Disciples start understanding when they enter in understanding the allegorical arena. Those who do not understand that way will wind up whacko's...or literalist only's.

s