Endure

[for_his_glory]

The saved of our era will be beheaded during the reign of the Beast.
When a saved person is beheaded, they become fully united with Jesus
and with all the saved. That is their day of "rapture."

Unlike such as Tim Lahaye and numerous "big name" movie-TV-radio false prophets,
I've never made any serious money for what I distribute.

Around 1990 a friend bought me a printer.
Around 1900 an acquaintance gave me $50.
Around 1974 a young woman gave me a quarter as I was distributing leaflets in a park.

We come fully united with Christ the moment of our Spiritual rebirth, John 3:5-7, Romans 10:9, 10, as we are then at that moment baptized in the Holy Spirit like Peter taught in Acts 2:37-41. I don't understand why you still wait for it.

I'm not going to ask you anymore about posting any pretrib rapture scriptures as there are none, but many that do say those who endure until the end will then be saved. What we are being saved from is being cast into the lake of fire like all those who will follow after the beast and bow down and take its mark.

 

[John Prewett]

We come fully united with Christ the moment of our Spiritual rebirth,........................

Christians (not nominal christians) are to some degree united with Christ.
However,
not as fully united "one with Christ" as we will be
when we leave our bodies upon being beheaded by the Beast faction.

Note we who will REIGN WITH CHRIST will have been BEHEADED.
(not just "caught up" as Paul wrote when Paul was writing about
the "end time" which took place some 2000 years ago)


Maybe you are as united with Christ as you will ever be.
Which would be too bad for you.


My Father and I are one.” John 10:30
that they may all be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You.
May they also be one in Us,
that the world may believe that You have sent Me. John 17:21
I have given them the glory which You gave Me,
that they may be one even as We are one: John 17:22

Think you are "one" with God-Christ yet ?

Scuse me if I doubt we are there yet.

 

[for_his_glory]

Christians (not nominal christians) are to some degree united with Christ.
However,
not as fully united "one with Christ" as we will be
when we leave our bodies upon being beheaded by the Beast faction.

Note we who will REIGN WITH CHRIST will have been BEHEADED.
(not just "caught up" as Paul wrote when Paul was writing about
the "end time" which took place some 2000 years ago)


Maybe you are as united with Christ as you will ever be.
Which would be too bad for you.


My Father and I are one.” John 10:30
that they may all be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You.
May they also be one in Us,
that the world may believe that You have sent Me. John 17:21
I have given them the glory which You gave Me,
that they may be one even as We are one: John 17:22

Think you are "one" with God-Christ yet ?

Scuse me if I doubt we are there yet.

Not sure what you mean by not nominal Christians. Can you explain this as we are the body of Christ with no respect of person.

We are fully in Christ and He fully in us who are Spiritually born again as He abides in us and we abide in Him for He is the vine and we the branches of that vine, John Chapter 15.

Jesus will not have returned yet when the son of perdition begins his deceptive reign here on earth for 3 1/2 years. Not every Christian will be beheaded, but only those who will be captured by the army of this beast and forced to denounce Christ and bow down and take the mark of this beast or be killed. These are those Christians who did not flee as Jesus warned us to flee the abomination that causes desolation that Daniel spoke of in Daniel chapter 7-9 ; Matthew 24:15-21.

Those Christians that will be beheaded, just like those today, will be among those who sleep in their graves waiting for the coming of the Lord as there is only one gathering of those who are alive at His coming and those who sleep in their graves, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

Yes, I am one with God and Jesus as being a member of the body of Christ through the Spiritual rebirth and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in order to see the kingdom of God, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10; 1 Corinthians 12:12-14.

If one is not yet a member of the body of Christ and dies before Christ returns on the last day, then along with those who are still alive at His coming that have rejected Him they are none of His and will be a part of those before them that have died and rejected Christ who are raised from their graves to damnation, John 5:28, 29.

BTW, can you give me the scripture where you say "Note we who will REIGN WITH CHRIST will have been BEHEADED.
(not just "caught up" as Paul wrote when Paul was writing about
the "end time" which took place some 2000 years ago)"

 

[John Prewett]

Not sure what you mean by not nominal Christians. Can you explain this ................

Well, for starters, Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Episcopalians, Church of England, Anglicans, Presbyterians, Methodist, Baptist, Mormons, SDAdventist, Jeh Witnesses, are all nominal Christians .... Not heeding "come out of her MY people"

Jesus's Church is not divided into scads of clergy led cults all teaching their own peculiar doctrines and oft calling each other cults and heretics. Jesus has but one Church, separated by geography, but not by doctrine.

BTW, can you give me the scripture where you say
"Note we who will REIGN WITH CHRIST will have been BEHEADED.
(not just "caught up" as Paul wrote when Paul was writing about
the "end time" which took place some 2000 years ago)"

It's quite telling that you evidently need ask for the location of this scripture.
I paste it below .... your assignment is to find chapter and verse.
Here's a clue: it's in the Revelation

"I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and the authority to judge was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness of Jesus and for the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.
They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years."

 

[for_his_glory]

Well, for starters, Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Episcopalians, Church of England, Anglicans, Presbyterians, Methodist, Baptist, Mormons, SDAdventist, Jeh Witnesses, are all nominal Christians .... Not heeding "come out of her MY people"

Jesus's Church is not divided into scads of clergy led cults all teaching their own peculiar doctrines and oft calling each other cults and heretics. Jesus has but one Church, separated by geography, but not by doctrine.




It's quite telling that you evidently need ask for the location of this scripture.
I paste it below .... your assignment is to find chapter and verse.
Here's a clue: it's in the Revelation

"I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and the authority to judge was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness of Jesus and for the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.
They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years."

Thank you for explaining what you meant by nominal Christians as I agree with this.

For the other part of your post. I am not going to assume what scriptures you or anyone are talking about if you or they are not willing to give them. If you are going to teach the word of God then you also need to give scripture as in Book, Chapter and verse so others can go read and study them in full context. It takes more than one or two verses to understand the full teaching. I notice in many of your post you do not give scripture, but only what you believe.

For those who do not know where this scripture is found it's Rev 20:4.

Rev 20:1-9 like many parts of Revelation were given to John as visions of future events given to the seven Churches in Asia. Since the time of John and even before the revelation visions those who are God's own have always faced trials and tribulations from generation to generation that have endured until their end of life. Even today many are dying a martyr's death which includes beheading for their witness and testifying of Christ. Those who have died before us are yet asleep in their graves waiting until the coming of the Lord on the last day as they have endured all trials and tribulations, John 3:13; John 5:28, 29; John 6:40.

Satan is bound for a thousand years as he can no longer deceive the nations anymore until the thousand years are fulfilled. In John's vision he sees thrones and those who sat upon them were those who were beheaded for their witness and testimony of Christ as they did not take the mark of the beast, Rev 13:11-18. They died a martyr's death and their souls now joined with those souls who also died a martyr's death and seen of John’s vision waiting under the altar to be avenged, Rev 6:9-11.

Now the time of fulfillment will have come as judgment on those who have persecuted them to death also will have come and all are then avenged for the blood they spilled for their witness and testimony for the sake of Christ and not only those who were persecuted to death, but all the saints of God from the beginning of time and those who are still alive at the coming of Christ are all a part of the first resurrection being the first fruits of His creatures, Daniel 12:1-4; John 6:40; John 5:28, 29; James 1:8; Romans 8:23.

IMO I do not see the thousand years being literal after Satan is bound even though a thousand is written, which I believe is symbolic or figurative number like that of Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8. What else is to take place within a literal thousand years that will need to be fulfilled as the only thing left is for Satan to be loosed for a time as he gathers all nations for the final battle against the saints, but his army will be consumed by fire that God sends down from heaven and then Satan cast into the lake of fire, Rev 20. Why would God wait another thousand years for His great White Throne judgment? What else could possibly take place during a thousand years before God ushers down the New Jerusalem?

 

[John Prewett]

........
IMO I do not see the thousand years being literal ............

There is no good reason to doubt the 1000 years is literal.

 

[for_his_glory]

There is no good reason to doubt the 1000 years is literal.

Just exactly what will we be doing in the air for a literal 1000 years after Satan is bound? Unless I am wrong we do not come back to this present earth once we are caught up to Jesus in the air, but wait for this earth and heaven to be renewed and the New Jerusalem ushered down where we will be with the Lord forever. Why would God wait a literal 1000 years after Jesus destroys the beast and false prophet to make final judgement on man, renewing the heaven and earth and ushering down the New Jerusalem.

 

[John Prewett]

Just exactly what will we be doing in the air for a literal 1000 years after Satan is bound?

Your fundamental premise is erroneous.

Do yourself a big favor: Carefully study Revelation 15.
We who have "victory over the Beast" are safe in heaven.

Unless I am wrong we do not come back to this present earth once we are caught up to Jesus in the air, but wait for this earth and heaven to be renewed and the New Jerusalem ushered down where we will be with the Lord forever.

You are wrong. On the last day of the reign of the Beast,
We who had "victory over the Beast" FOLLOW Jesus back to this world
to "reign with Christ". As per chapter 19 and Rev 20:4

 

[JohnDB]

Ok guys (and girls)
Time for me to put my moderator/administrator hat on.

Let's behave like we know that we should.

Manners, seasoned with grace, are like a cool mountain stream on a hot summer day. Cool and refreshing for all to enjoy.

Anymore rude, obnoxious, finger pointing/wagging, or demeaning posts and you won't be able to post on this thread again.
I'm not asking for y'all to agree on anything...but I am saying that you will conduct yourselves in a humble fashion.

 

[JLB]

Christians (not nominal christians) are to some degree united with Christ.
However,
not as fully united "one with Christ" as we will be
when we leave our bodies upon being beheaded by the Beast faction.

Note we who will REIGN WITH CHRIST will have been BEHEADED.
(not just "caught up" as Paul wrote when Paul was writing about
the "end time" which took place some 2000 years ago)


Maybe you are as united with Christ as you will ever be.
Which would be too bad for you.


My Father and I are one.” John 10:30
that they may all be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You.
May they also be one in Us,
that the world may believe that You have sent Me. John 17:21
I have given them the glory which You gave Me,
that they may be one even as We are one: John 17:22

Think you are "one" with God-Christ yet ?

Scuse me if I doubt we are there yet.

How about the countless thousands of Christians who were martyred for Christ in the past.




JLB

 

[John Prewett]

How about the countless thousands of Christians who were martyred for Christ in the past. JLB

Are you one of them ? No, you currently are not. Though you and I may aspire to be.
When they were martyred, then they became completely united with Christ.

 

[JLB]

Are you one of them ? No, you currently are not. Though you and I may aspire to be.
When they were martyred, then they became completely united with Christ.

So it’s not just the those martyred by the beast of Revelation who are completely united with Christ?


How about people who die and go to heaven after serving Him faithfully, but are not martyred?



JLB

 

[John Prewett]

So it’s not just the those martyred by the beast of Revelation who are completely united with Christ? How about people who die and go to heaven after serving Him faithfully, but are not martyred? JLB

As per Revelation 20 the final judgement does not occur until the end of the 1000 year reign.
Revelation 15 reveals that those/we who "had victory over the Beast do immediately go to heaven" (and short time later follow Jesus to earth and reign with Christ 1000 years as per Rev 20:4.)

Scripture persuades me that one who died last week is sleeping, as was Lazarus.
And can be brought back into this world, as Lazarus was brought back.

I'm confident many who today are sleeping ("dead") will be brought back into this world and will end up among the saved who are beheaded and have victory over the Beast and thus will reign with Christ for 1000 years.


Add up all the members of American organized 'Christian" "churches" and you get over 200 million Americans considered "Christian."

I ask you ..... do you really think there are nearly 200 million American Christians fully in unity with Jesus Christ and as fully empowered by Jesus as they/we can be and need to be ?

 

[JLB]

I'm confident many who today are sleeping ("dead") will be brought back into this world and will end up among the saved who are beheaded and have victory over the Beast and thus will reign with Christ for 1000 years.

Once a person is dead, that’s it.

Then the Judgement.


And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, Hebrews 9:28


JLB

 

[John Prewett]

Once a person is dead, that’s it. Then the Judgement.

As per Revelation 20 the final judgement does not occur until the end of the 1000 year reign.

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, Hebrews 9:28 JLB

The author of Heb 9:28 also wrote Heb 11:35.
" Women received their dead raised to life again. ...... "

Matthew 10:8
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, ..........."
Matthew 11:5
The blind receive their sight and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up,......"

 

[John Prewett]

Paul did NOT write:
"...... appointed for men to die ONLY once, and IMMEDIATELY after this the judgment.... "

 

[JLB]

As per Revelation 20 the final judgement does not occur until the end of the 1000 year reign.

those who are beheaded during the tribulation reign with Christ for the 1000 years, and are not partakers of the Judgement after the 1000 years.




JLB

 

[JLB]

As per Revelation 20 the final judgement does not occur until the end of the 1000 year reign.



The author of Heb 9:28 also wrote Heb 11:35.
" Women received their dead raised to life again. ...... "

Matthew 10:8
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, ..........."
Matthew 11:5
The blind receive their sight and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up,......"

Yes raising the dead back to life, is not to be mistaken with the resurrection of the dead in Christ, at His coming.




JLB

 

[JLB]

Paul did NOT write:
"...... appointed for men to die ONLY once, and IMMEDIATELY after this the judgment.... "

Agreed.

 

[JLB]

Add up all the members of American organized 'Christian" "churches" and you get over 200 million Americans considered "Christian."

I ask you ..... do you really think there are nearly 200 million American Christians fully in unity with Jesus Christ and as fully empowered by Jesus as they/we can be and need to be ?

It’s doubtful even a tenth of these are actually Christian.




JLB