Eternal hell with new creation?

[T. E. Smith]

The new creation theme in the Bible does not seem to go with the notion of an eternal hell. Isaiah 55 and Romans 8 teach God's renewal of the world into perfection. It is said that in the future, Christ will be "all in all." It does not seem to make sense for God's new creation, then, to have an eternal torture chamber in it. In the new creation, God returns the world to its state before sin. How can Hell be part of that intent? How can Christ be all in all, with unbelievers tortured forever?

 

[GodsGrace]

I think hell is misunderstood in the church. I also think that the church used hell as a scare tactic to keep partitioners in line. As a result, in some circles God is always angry and punishes us for our sins. This notion couldn’t be further from the truth.

Scripture says that God desires all to be saved. 1 Timothy 2:4 This gives us our first insight into Gods nature. Jesus, looking over Jerusalem yearns and says, ERV

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem! You kill the prophets. You stone to death those that God has sent to you. Many, many times I wanted to help your people. I wanted to gather them together as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings. But you did not let me.”

We all have struggles in life and often, we can be our own worst enemy. We not only bring pain ( physical or emotional ) to ourselves, but we are also sometimes the cause of pain to others. If we harden our hearts to these pains, we get bound in a state that God never desired for us to experience.

Put it this way. Have you ever, or do you know anyone who has gone through a traumatic experience and they express they feel like they are being tortured, either physically, but more often emotionally. They just can’t escape the pain.

That’s hell and it exists both here on earth, and in the world to come.

God understands our pain, injustice and suffering because he sent his only beloved son who became flesh, and lived among us. Jesus experienced all of that, and so much more.

AA works very well because those who have gone through similar experiences are able to comfort, and guide those who are just coming to a place where they need guidance, friendship and over all, hope that they can escape whatever is holding them down.

How much better is Jesus to guide us into freedom.

Do you think hell is the absence of God?
If good were not a part of this world,,,think how evil it would be.

I think death will be like that.
Desperation for God and good, but it will be no where to be found.

Darkness and gnashing of teeth.

 

[GodsGrace]

Only a sadist could create a literal eternal suffering. I didnt create God in any image, his word shows truth. Many things are symbolism in his written word, to keep satan and his angels in spiritual darkness and mortals who havent found the teachers Jesus appointed. It takes effort to find them in this satan ruled system.

A person doesn't have to go there if they don't want to.

 

[keiw1]

A person doesn't have to go there if they don't want to.

The true living God set this before all mankind-Deuteronomy 30:19--Life or Death. We all must choose 5% in word, 95% in actions. Jesus taught-The ones walking the broad and spacious path will be destroyed. The lake of fire= eternal destruction.

 

[GodsGrace]

The true living God set this before all mankind-Deuteronomy 30:19--Life or Death. We all must choose 5% in word, 95% in actions. Jesus taught-The ones walking the broad and spacious path will be destroyed. The lake of fire= eternal destruction.

Are you saying that hell will be destroyed in the lake of fire?

 

[for_his_glory]

A God of Love and merci and justice is not a sadist who would create a literal eternal suffering. Its impossible.

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

God is very longsuffering and patient beginning with Adam and Eve and throughout every generation until Christ returns on the last day as then the door of God's salvation through Christ Jesus will be closed forever. He waits for all to come to repentance, but He also knows many will continue to reject Him as they become His enemies. Just as God prepared a place within the New Jerusalem for all whose names are found written in the Lamb's book of Life, He has also prepared a place of torment in the lake of fire for those who are His enemies. 2 Timothy 3:1-5; Rev 20:11-15; Rev 22:14-15

 

[for_his_glory]

It continues to befuddle me how a person can use Scripture in support of their unbelief.
Bottom line, you are saying you don't believe the Bible is God's Word, or do you? Just cut to the chase.

T.E. Smith is no longer a member.

 

[for_his_glory]

Only a sadist could create a literal eternal suffering. I didnt create God in any image, his word shows truth. Many things are symbolism in his written word, to keep satan and his angels in spiritual darkness and mortals who havent found the teachers Jesus appointed. It takes effort to find them in this satan ruled system.

Let me ask you this. What would have been the reason for the birth, life and death of Christ if everyone is going to be in the New Jerusalem?

 

[crossnote]

Only a sadist could create a literal eternal suffering. I didnt create God in any image, his word shows truth. Many things are symbolism in his written word, to keep satan and his angels in spiritual darkness and mortals who havent found the teachers Jesus appointed. It takes effort to find them in this satan ruled system.

I see, when you don’t like what the text says, then spiritualize it.
Try spiritualizing these…


Revelation 14:9-11 KJV
[9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, [10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: [11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 22:18-19 KJV
[18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[keiw1]

Are you saying that hell will be destroyed in the lake of fire?

The Hebrew word SHEOL = the Greek word HADES= the English word-Hell--Both Sheol and Hades translate-the grave. Yes Hades will be tossed into the lake of fire. There will be no more use of it once all is said and done at the conclusion of Rev 20. Death will be tossed in there as well, neither can suffer eternally but both can be destroyed eternally.

 

[for_his_glory]

The true living God set this before all mankind-Deuteronomy 30:19--Life or Death. We all must choose 5% in word, 95% in actions. Jesus taught-The ones walking the broad and spacious path will be destroyed. The lake of fire= eternal destruction.

But I thought you said a loving God would not condemn anyone!!! I'm confused in what you believe

 

[keiw1]

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

God is very longsuffering and patient beginning with Adam and Eve and throughout every generation until Christ returns on the last day as then the door of God's salvation through Christ Jesus will be closed forever. He waits for all to come to repentance, but He also knows many will continue to reject Him as they become His enemies. Just as God prepared a place within the New Jerusalem for all whose names are found written in the Lamb's book of Life, He has also prepared a place of torment in the lake of fire for those who are His enemies. 2 Timothy 3:1-5; Rev 20:11-15; Rev 22:14-15

His justice scales prove it is not literal. He set LIFE or DEATH before all mankind-Deuteronomy 30:19

 

[keiw1]

Let me ask you this. What would have been the reason for the birth, life and death of Christ if everyone is going to be in the New Jerusalem?

Are you kidding? Jesus said-Few will find the road to life. 99% are mislead.

 

[keiw1]

I see, when you don’t like what the text says, then spiritualize it.
Try spiritualizing these…


Revelation 14:9-11 KJV
[9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, [10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: [11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 22:18-19 KJV
[18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Gods justice scales=perfect balance-an eye for an eye--He does not go against that. So for 70-100 years of an unrepented sinful life God could not, or would not condemn one to trillions x trillions x trillions of never ending years of punishment. He would never go the bad angle way as judgement-His love and Merci would go the other way if any way at all. He is not a sadist.
Symbolism is what you are reading--As each new day dawns in Gods kingdom, those not allowed to enter miss each day, miss each day of Gods love, it never ends, Likened to be an eternal suffering-They have traded 70-100 years of this existence and missed out on trillions x trillions x trillions of never ending years of life, never sick, not aging like now, never without, etc--a very bad trade. Likened to be an eternal suffering.
They will go into the lake of fire--So does death and Hades(grave) they cannot suffer, they can however be destroyed eternally as all things are in the lake of fire. Fire destroys eternally.

 

[keiw1]

But I thought you said a loving God would not condemn anyone!!! I'm confused in what you believe

They chose their path, God did not choose it for them. The bible is filled with the words of condemnation for the unrepentent. In a just manner though. God set Life or death before all. Deut 30:19--there is no life in death. One would have to get eternal life to suffer eternally.

 

[for_his_glory]

Are you saying that hell will be destroyed in the lake of fire?

I know you asked keiw1 this question, but I would also like to answer this.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Hell is just another word for the grave.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance: Hell

Hebrew # 7585 Sheol, Hades, or the world of the dead, grave, hell, pit

Greek # 86 place of departed souls, grave, hell​

 

[for_his_glory]

They chose their path, God did not choose it for them. The bible is filled with the words of condemnation for the unrepentent. In a just manner though. God set Life or death before all. Deut 30:19--there is no life in death. One would have to get eternal life to suffer eternally.

Yes, everyone chooses their path as one leads to eternal life with the Father and the other is a path of destruction to those who choose the lust of the flesh as their eternity will be in the lake of fire by the bad choices they made. as they have damned themselves separating themselves from the love of God.

But you are going back and forth in what you believe as first you say a loving God would not condemn them, but now you are saying He will, so which is it.

 

[keiw1]

I know you asked keiw1 this question, but I would also like to answer this.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Hell is just another word for the grave.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance: Hell

Hebrew # 7585 Sheol, Hades, or the world of the dead, grave, hell, pit

Greek # 86 place of departed souls, grave, hell​

Nicely shown.

Yes, everyone chooses their path as one leads to eternal life with the Father and the other is a path of destruction to those who choose the lust of the flesh as their eternity will be in the lake of fire by the bad choices they made. as they have damned themselves separating themselves from the love of God.

Yes it is sad. They trade 70-100 years of this lifetime and miss out on trillions x trillions x trillions of never ending years in Gods kingdom. Dont they realize that Entrance into Gods kingdom has more value than all the wealth on this earth combined. Its worth fighting for. One must disown themselves to follow Jesus. Mark 8:34

 

[jasonc]

Hades is the God of the underworld in Greek myths.his abode also bears his name and it's also been called Pluto and the abode the same.

The Greeks didn't put coins in the dead for Sharon to ferry the dead across the styx in their beliefs because they thought the Hades was a grave .

 

[for_his_glory]

Nicely shown.



Yes it is sad. They trade 70-100 years of this lifetime and miss out on trillions x trillions x trillions of never ending years in Gods kingdom. Dont they realize that Entrance into Gods kingdom has more value than all the wealth on this earth combined. Its worth fighting for. One must disown themselves to follow Jesus. Mark 8:34

But sadly so many choose the worldly ways going after the lust of the flesh, not even knowing they are condemning themselves to the lake of fire that separates themselves from the love of God that He has for everyone as He gives everyone a chance to repent and turn back to Him, but someday it will be to late for them.

Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Col 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

 

[for_his_glory]

Hades is the God of the underworld in Greek myths.his abode also bears his name and it's also been called Pluto and the abode the same.

The Greeks didn't put coins in the dead for Sharon to ferry the dead across the styx in their beliefs because they thought the Hades was a grave .

The Greeks are deep in mythologies and also paganism as they chase after many gods and idols.