Lk 1:30 yes found our salvation
Lk 1:38 yes consented to our salvation
Lk 1:43 yes cos she is the mother of God
Lk 1:45 yes is faithful
Lk 1:48 all Christians call her blessed
But before all this the angel said she was blessed. Why?
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Faith alone questions
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Lk 1:30 yes found our salvation
Lk 1:38 yes consented to our salvation
Lk 1:43 yes cos she is the mother of God
Lk 1:45 yes is faithful
Lk 1:48 all Christians call her blessed
But before all this the angel said she was blessed. Why?
There is a big difference between christ being re-sacrificed and Christ’s sacrifice being offered to God
Mal 1:11
Faith alone is that right?
Believe with the heart?
Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Those verses and James 2:24 faith and works
Jethro Bodine
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All believers who obey God are the mother, brother and sister of Jesus:
48But Jesus replied, “Who is My mother, and who are My brothers?” 49Pointing to His disciples, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers. 50For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.” Matthew 12:48-50
27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You!”
28But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke 11:27-28
Nobody's taking away Mary's blessing. What we despise is the undue praise and worship and idolatrous mythology you've attached to Mary. As we can see every believer who obeys God's word and does his will shares in the blessing of Mary.
Jethro Bodine
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I showed you that James can't be using the same definition and aspect of justification as Paul is, but an additional one. Saying he is using the same definition puts him in direct contradiction to Paul's teaching about justification. That's why the Catholic church had to conveniently change "righteousness apart from works" (Romans 4:6) to "righteousness apart from works alone". They had to do that to defend and preserve the works justification theology they teach, which you openly acknowledge they teach.
Righteous works justify you in that they show you to have the righteousness of God that comes to a person by faith (James 2:18)
Faith justifies you in that faith all by itself apart from the benefit and merit of works is how you are made righteous with the righteousness of God (Philippians 3:9).
Justification by faith is the great stumbling block to natural man. Catholic theology lacks the revelation from God that a man becomes righteous solely on the basis of his faith, not by faithfully doing righteous things. Abraham being our example of that and how we, also, receive the righteousness of God solely on the basis of faith in the promise of God about a Son (Romans 4:22-24).
Jethro Bodine
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If you really believe this, why are you trying achieve the justification that one receives the moment they place their faith in the one time for all time sacrifice of Christ?
10And by that will, we have been sanctified through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
14 ...by a single offering He has made perfect for all time those who are being sanctified. Hebrews 10:10,14
Let it sink in: He has made us perfect for all time. It's a done deal. You don't have to work to get what has already been done for you and which continues up to the present and which does not have to be repeated. That is literally what 'has made perfect' means in the passage. The verb 'made perfect' is in the Perfect tense. That means the author is saying 'made perfect' is a completed action with results continuing up to the present and which do not have to be repeated. Let that profound truth sink in. Stop faithfully working to receive a righteousness that the believer already has through their faith in Christ.
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Jethro Bodine
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That is correct. And the re-sacrifice of Christ is expressly forbidden. Crucifying the Son of God all over again puts him to open shame. It happened one time for all time, and what we are told to do is remember it, not redo it repeatedly.
Jethro Bodine
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No. For clarity 'faith alone' is James' argument, not Paul's.
It's righteousness apart from works - Romans 4:6.
A man is justified by believing in his heart apart from his works:
10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved. Romans 10:10
Catholic theology erroneously claims you faithfully work and you are justified.
Jethro Bodine
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The work of getting water baptized is not what makes you righteous. You do not become righteous by doing righteous things. That is the works justification gospel condemned in scripture. You become righteous by believing in your heart, apart from your works.
This truth is the great stumbling block to natural man. It doesn't make sense to the natural man. It goes against all natural expectation of how a person becomes righteous. It's a spiritual truth that only spiritually enlightened people can see and accept.
I did not
I simply provided scripture?
Don’t sound like “faith alone”!
They received “revelation” there is no new “revelation” no new doctrine
Eph 4:5 only one faith (catholic & divine)
Jude 1:3 Thee faith once handed to the saints (catholic & divine)
Heb 11:6 faith (catholic & divine)
Dogma is an incontrovertible truth revealed by Christ and proposed for belief by the church he founded
Matt 28:19
Dogma “catholic & divine”!
124. The sinner can and must prepare himself by the help of actual grace for the reception of the
grace by which he is justified.
125. The justification of an adult is not possible without Faith.
126. Besides faith, further acts of disposition must be present.
127. Sanctifying grace sanctifies the soul.
128. Sanctifying grace makes the just man a friend of God.
129. Sanctifying grace makes the just man a child of God and gives him a claim to the inheritance
of Heaven.
130. The three Divine or Theological Virtues of Faith, Hope and Charity are infused with
Sanctifying grace.
131. Without special Divine Revelation no one can know with the certainty of faith, if he be in the
state of grace.
132. The degree of justifying grace is not identical in all the just.
133. Grace can be increased by good works.
134. The grace by which we are justified may be lost, and is lost by every grievous [mortal,
serious] sin.
135. By his good works the justified man really acquires a claim to supernatural reward from
God.
136. A just man merits for himself through each good work an increase of sanctifying grace,
eternal life (if he dies in a state of grace) and an increase of heavenly glory.
Explain 1 cor 13:2 & 13:13 please
Lk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
10 And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?
11 He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.
12 Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do?
13 And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you.
Jethro Bodine
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You're still not getting it.
You can list every single commanded work of obedience in the Bible. NONE of them MAKE you righteous.
You do not become righteous by being righteous.
You become righteous with a righteousness that is outside of you, imputed to you when you believe in your heart God's promise about a Son. It is from that righteousness that you then perform the works of righteousness commanded by God.
Faith makes you righteous with the righteousness of God, apart from and without aid of your works (Romans 4:6, Philippians 3:9).
Works show that you have that righteousness, imputed to a person through faith (James 2:18). Works do not solicit the righteousness of God. That's is the works justification gospel condemned in scripture.
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Jethro Bodine
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No matter how great and glorious and important a work may be, righteous work DOES NOT MAKE YOU RIGHTEOUS.
Works vary in significance, but NONE OF THEM MAKE YOU RIGHTEOUS. They can only SHOW you to be righteous with the righteousness that comes from God, not of yourself.
In 1 Corinthians 13:1-13, Paul is contrasting the service of the ministerial gifts to that of obedience to the 2nd greatest commandment - 'love your neighbor as yourself'. Service to a ministerial gift does not constitute the obedience to God's will that signifies that you are a justified child of God that will enter into the kingdom at the end of the age. Obedience to God's commands, specifically 'love your neighbor as yourself' does. Paul is simply echoing what Jesus taught in Matthew 7:20-23. 1 Corinthians 13 is not a chapter explaining what work makes a person righteous.
Theee are preliminaries
Actual graces that precedes sanctify grace
Hope this helps
Dogma “catholic & divine”!
Heb 11:6
124. The sinner can and must prepare himself by the help of actual grace for the reception of the
grace by which he is justified.
125. The justification of an adult is not possible without Faith.
126. Besides faith, further acts of disposition must be present.
127. Sanctifying grace sanctifies the soul.
128. Sanctifying grace makes the just man a friend of God.
129. Sanctifying grace makes the just man a child of God and gives him a claim to the inheritance
of Heaven.
130. The three Divine or Theological Virtues of Faith, Hope and Charity are infused with
Sanctifying grace.
131. Without special Divine Revelation no one can know with the certainty of faith, if he be in the
state of grace.
132. The degree of justifying grace is not identical in all the just.
133. Grace can be increased by good works.
134. The grace by which we are justified may be lost, and is lost by every grievous [mortal,
serious] sin.
135. By his good works the justified man really acquires a claim to supernatural reward from
God.
136. A just man merits for himself through each good work an increase of sanctifying grace,
eternal life (if he dies in a state of grace) and an increase of heavenly glory.
Is faith the only way to be righteous?
Jethro Bodine
Member
It is the only possible way to be righteous.
The other way is to keep all of God's standards of righteousness perfectly. Which is impossible to do.
But someone may argue, "but that's where the forgiveness of God comes in. To fill the gap." No, the simple fact that you had a failure that required the forgiveness of God, even just one, shows that you are not perfectly righteous in and of yourself. That's why we need perfect righteousness to be given to us as a free gift. It's the ONLY way to be declared righteous by God. You can't work the righteousness that God requires. A declaration of righteousness can only come to you as a free gift of God's favor by having faith in his Son who God says will secure the blessing on your behalf. Just as that was true for Abraham, our example of how a person is imputed the righteousness of God apart from his effort to be righteous.
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