Why aren't you saying that to your ally?
He's the one who asked for my opinion.
He always uses scripture then discusses the scripture he uses.
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Why aren't you saying that to your ally?
He's the one who asked for my opinion.
My answer to Judas is that he was never saved to begin with even though he was in Jesus for over 3 years.
Lol, finally, I've got something to use on you in the future..
"I" have won, finally.
Thanks buddy.
Yes, people who continue to believe and trust in Jesus do not make a practice of sinning.1 John 3:9, “No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.”
We have a conflict of Scripture here that needs to be settled before we go on, other wise we are just blowing hot air.
True opinion.All opinion.
They may appear to be attached to the vine?
No, Cygnus Jesus is actually referring to those who are in Him.
Not “appear to be” in Him..
“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. John 15:1-2
- Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;
Jesus warns us we must remain in Him. Those who are in Him, must remain in Him, or be cast into the fire and burned.
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6
Here is how we are instructed to remain in Christ.
Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24
His Commandments are about love.
Loving God and loving people.
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3
His Commandments are not burdensome.
Why wouldn’t anyone who is in Christ, not want to love Him and love His people?
Why are you fighting against His word?
If we believe Jesus Christ is Lord, why wouldn’t we want to obey Him as our Lord?
JLB
You still sin.Yes, people who continue to believe and trust in Jesus do not make a practice of sinning.
That's a good reason why we should keep on believing.
It's the believer who falls away into unbelief who no longer has the power of God to not make sinning a way of life.
Hold to the gospel....the good news......the gospel I preached to you..Jesus died for your sins...th one you have believed.....if not your belief is in vain. You may think you're in me, part of the vine, walking in the light...but you've added to the gospel...made requirement for salvation...and your false faith is in vain.It’s an example of people who “received“ the Gospel message.
This is an example of what “receive the Gospel“ means.
Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:1-2
JLB
Yep.You still sin.
If one is truly in the Lord Jesus, he will truly love and obey Him (Phl 2:13). One cannot honestly claim faith apart from the works of it (Jam 2:18); and the works that are counterfeit are those that are apart from love. It's not obedience that saves, but only evinces love and salvation.There is no security in anything unless we are keeping OBEYING Christ's commadments . Jesus Himself says (John 14:15) " If you love me, you shall keep my commandments. "
What Christ is saying in simple words is if you're NOT keeping my commandments you have NO love for me.
How then is anyone who is not keeping the Lord's commandments safe n secure in their salvation? Based on whose assurances, when the ultimate authority, Christ Himself, is issuing this sobering caveat to all believers ?
Maybe you're just echoing the point he's making.It's not obedience that saves, but only evinces love and salvation.
Once again...many play christian.
Hold to the gospel....the good news......the gospel I preached to you..Jesus died for your sins...th one you have believed.....if not your belief is in vain. You may think you're in me, part of the vine, walking in the light...but you've added to the gospel...made requirement for salvation...and your false faith is in vain.
Maybe you're just echoing the point he's making.
But if not, he is in no way saying obedience is required to earn salvation.
Works are necessary to give confirmation and assurance that one is saved.
Saying someone is in Christ is no guarantee they were ever saved to begin with.Jesus is not referring to those who are “playing” Christian.
He is referring to those who are “in Him”.
I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. John 15:1-2
- Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;
Jesus warns us we must remain in Him. Those who are in Him, must remain in Him, or be cast into the fire and burned.
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6
Do You believe people who are removed from Christ, still have eternal life?
JLB
Saying someone is in Christ is no guarantee they were ever saved to begin with.
You base your whole debate on this assumption.
Why else would he cast them out?
Matthew 22:11-13;
Why else would he cast them out
Lol, you enjoy talking like that, don't you?When Jesus says they are in Him then you are forced to submit to His truth.
Therefore your false narrative is nothing more that chaff in the wind.
JLB
But were they ever saved to begin with?Because they don't obey Him.
This is the truth that John so plainly teaches.
Maybe if you read what the Bible says you would know the answer.
he who keeps His commandments abides in Him
Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
1 John 3:24
Stubborn stiffneck people who refuse to love dont remain in Christ.
JLB
The Bible teaches salvation is CONDITIONAL. It gives many warnings, admonishments about falling way becoming an apostate and gives examples of those that fell away.You tell me..you believe in what your teachers have falsely taught you...that is you can loose your salvation.