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Fornication is still illegal

Sparkey

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No, I am not talking about old laws that are still on the books. The ones that everybody ignores anyway because they are never enforced. Not talking about State Laws in Massachusetts, Virginia, Georgia, Idaho, Mississippi, North Carolina, Utah or South Carolina, where it’s still against the written law for unmarried men and women to engage in sexual intercourse.

Not talking man's law at all but I hope that you also notice with me the phrase "still against the law" up there. As if to say that the law against fornication is outdated or that it has no merit. It used to be that everybody understood the state's interest in families and the basis for the law. Today? People simply shrug while they wait for the lawmakers to "get with the times".

The word "illegal" means "against the law". This has not changed. Anything that goes against any law is 'illegal'. The term may even be used in sports, for example, an "illegal pass" is a play that breaks the agreed upon rules. But these days what it may not mean is "against God's laws". That's because we no longer agree that God has the right to make any rules. Ask yourselves if we were supposed to vote to remove and/or change the 'outdated laws' or 'old moral codes' how would you stand on the issue?

Laws in Florida, Michigan and Mississippi make it illegal for the unmarried to “lewdly and lasciviously associate and cohabit together.” What do you think? Is there any possibility that we may ever return to 'One nation, under God"? Will there ever be a time when we, as a society, are able to enact righteousness? Or will we prefer the comfort of pretense and go forward unwilling to change?
 
Sparrowhawke said:
No, I am not talking about old laws that are still on the books. The ones that everybody ignores anyway because they are never enforced. Not talking about State Laws in Massachusetts, Virginia, Georgia, Idaho, Mississippi, North Carolina, Utah or South Carolina, where it’s still against the written law for unmarried men and women to engage in sexual intercourse.

Not talking man's law at all but I hope that you also notice with me the phrase "still against the law" up there. As if to say that the law against fornication is outdated or that it has no merit. It used to be that everybody understood the state's interest in families and the basis for the law. Today? People simply shrug while they wait for the lawmakers to "get with the times".

The word "illegal" means "against the law". This has not changed. Anything that goes against any law is 'illegal'. The term may even be used in sports, for example, an "illegal pass" is a play that breaks the agreed upon rules. But these days what it may not mean is "against God's laws". That's because we no longer agree that God has the right to make any rules. Ask yourselves if we were supposed to vote to remove and/or change the 'outdated laws' or 'old moral codes' how would you stand on the issue?

Laws in Florida, Michigan and Mississippi make it illegal for the unmarried to “lewdly and lasciviously associate and cohabit together.” What do you think? Is there any possibility that we may ever return to 'One nation, under God"? Will there ever be a time when we, as a society, are able to enact righteousness? Or will we prefer the comfort of pretense and go forward unwilling to change?
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No, it's only going to get worse.
 
Gen 18:25-26 and thereabouts...

"Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?"

So the LORD said, "If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare the whole place on their account."
 
We fornication so much that even if the government were to enforce the law.it would be akin to the drug war.
 
That would be prohibition on what two consenting adults do in their very private life. There could be a couple living next door for 40 yrs. and who would know if they are married or not? Any one of us could be going to church and see a couple there every Sunday that may not have a marriage license, do we really know? Hang a flyer on the door, "No admittance without proof of marriage."
What if the progressive ones got together and made it a law that no couple could have more than two children? :eek2 They would have an argument that our schools are overpopulated and the cost of education keeps rising.

Freedom of religion, means what it says. So their religion says it is not wrong for them to cohabit and we are going to tell them it is because God says so. I don't think that would hold up in any court of law. One must prove that it is harmful to society as a whole. Good luck with that, when there is so much unGodliness in the church. Adulterers, pedophiles, thieves, violent abusers, etc. There are few pastors that will do anything about it when they know that women and children are being abused by their "Christian" fathers. What is the old conservative saying? What goes on in ones home is no one's business.
I'd suggest that church cleans up it's own act, preach the Gospel, and set an example of what Christ looks like, before we tell secular people how to live their lives, in their own homes.
 
Immorality is just getting worse. What's weird, I think, is that immorality at first masquerades as freedom--gay rights, sexual liberation, what have you--but over time people, groups, entire societies, are ensnared in darkness.
 
Sparrowhawke said:
Is there any possibility that we may ever return to 'One nation, under God"?
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Good question and one I used to ask myself, but considering the drastic drop in moral standards over such a short time I have to agree, it's only going to get worse. I don't blame TV/internet Per se but what a huge role they played in speeding up the process.

The season is nigh.
 
A satanist crashed into the ten commandments statue in Oklahoma, and a group of satanists want to put up a statue of Baphomet in that area.

What does that tell you?
 
Deborah13 said:
What goes on in ones home is no one's business.
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I would agree, but only to a degree. You've asked if churches should "hang a flyer on the door, "No admittance without proof of marriage." Start by preaching against fornication (as well as against adultery, pedophilia, thievery, violent abuse, etc.) in no uncertain terms. Your larger point (I hope I heard you correctly) that too many Christians are so in name only, as they do not depart sin and have little or no influence, is well made.
 
Sparrowhawke said:
...Your larger point (I hope I heard you correctly) that too many Christians are so in name only, as they do not depart sin and have little or no influence, is well made.
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You sure got that right. A pastor at a church I was a member of for a while did a Bible study on that. One of the points he made was that the majority of Christians actually spend more time brushing their teeth than they do hearing God's word. He even included all the time they hear God's word during the church service,Bible studies, etc as well as any time they might spend actually reading their Bibles on their own. No wonder so many people in our churches can't even tell you the real meaning of the word fornication, or adultery, or very much else of what the scriptures tell us (or even care)!
 
Train up a child in the way he should go,
And when he is old he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6 NIV

Most parents refuse to obey the Bible, and instead send their children to the pagan school system to be trained up as pagans.

Thus the nation moves further from God with each generation.

Things will turn around if voters vote away the pagan school system, and train their children up as commanded.
 
Michael74 said:
Train up a child in the way he should go,
And when he is old he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6 NIV

Most parents refuse to obey the Bible, and instead send their children to the pagan school system to be trained up as pagans.

Thus the nation moves further from God with each generation.

Things will turn around if voters vote away the pagan school system, and train their children up as commanded.
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Considering the definition of "pagan" is a person or a community observing a polytheistic religion (like the ancient Romans and Greeks), on what grounds do you accuse school systems of being pagan?
 
Layman's definition of the word. Non Christian beliefs such as teaching that the Bible is a myth.

Substitute the word unbeliever, or whatever you think is most appropriate.
 
The acceptance of abortion as a right accelerated the moral decline in this country.
But Jesus is my King i live in His Kingdom .. And His Kingdom is growing ... Think about how many were in His Kingdom 2000 years ago and how many today..... Persecution grows the Body ... we dont hear about the Body in places like China..

Christ does not fail...

Mat_16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
 
Michael74 said:
Interesting. The Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance state that there is no general consensus on the definition of the word pagan. They recommend that the word not be used, because it will just confuse whoever reads your post. Everybody has their own favorite definition of the word. Didn't know that. Thanks for the feedback.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/paganism.htm
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Hmm, I just read it in an online dictionary. Can't remember which one now 'cause I'm a bit sleep deprived. Your source sounds more reliable. I'm just not so sure I could define everything as pagan just because it's secular. That just seems like it's eliciting bad feelings toward me instead of opening someone up to hear what I might have to say. But then again, slepp deprived right now...
 
For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them. Luke 12:30 NIV

Pagan is a biblical word, which the NIV says Jesus Himself used, but unbeliever seems to be more readily understood.
 
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the pagan electric grid. oh pagan water. back though evil electron, back to the pits of hell thou vile hydrogen hydroxide. I cast the into hell though battery because though is a reverse positive system and thou deceives many with the positive being the ground for the electrons who only move. ben franklin thou sinner.

if I may, I can post the elements of both adultery and sodomy in the ucmj. the later would have to be seen to really stickable. fornication laws were simply based on the assumption that if two person lived together they were having sex. while that is most likely that isn't the bibles definition of what fornication is.
 
Use wisdom. Feeding your children food produced by unbelieving farmers has no effect on your children. Letting unbelievers teach your children that the Bible is a myth may have eternal consequences.
 
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