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Freewill religion is the Man of Sin !

Is Christ's Death ever Worthless ?

1 Pet 1:19

But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

For one to belch out such a blasphemy as, Christ's Death is Worthless without the Work of the Holy Spirit, high handedly and presumptuously attacks the meritorious cause of Salvation, Christ's Death.

The word worthless means:

adj

1.

without practical value or usefulness


2.

without merit; good-for-nothing

All that the Spirit does in the Elect subsequently, was procured by Christ's meritorious Death, He applies the Redemption so procured. We do grant that the Work of the Spirit is the efficient cause of actual conversion, however that is solely premised upon the foundation of the Meritorious Cause of the Blood of Christ alone !

Those who belch out this blasphemy are stealthily trying to enter mans works into Salvation,m something he must do !
 
God in Christ gives Repentance !

Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

The man of sin followers or the antichrist crowd, they have practiced much deceit in order to rob Christ of His Glory in Saving a Sinner; that through His work on the Cross, He hath obtained and does bestow upon all for whom He died, Repentance unto Life ! However they by their craft and deceit have taught and do teach that repentance is a duty, a condition that men must perform in order to their justification before God ! The fact is, that both faith and Repentance are things that are well pleasing in God's sight, that the Covenental Death of Christ, as the Shepherd of the Sheep procured for them through the blood of the Everlasting Covenant Heb 13:20-21

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Note Vs 21 God does or will do, for all whom Christ died [all the sheep] in us, that which is pleasing in His sight, THROUGH JESUS CHRIST , and it is to Him be the Glory, forever and ever, but no , the man of sin followers, the conditionalists, would steal this Glory from Christ, and crown themselves with it, and whom shall shortly give an account for it at the White Throne Judgment !
 
They worship the creature more than the Creator !

Rom 1:25

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Those who make Salvation ,or Justification or any branch of being saved contingent upon conditions they must perform, because Christ by His Death only made things a possibility, then it is, those do more for their actual salvation than Christ did,since without their own performance of the condition, they remain in a condemned lost state !
 
Beware of the Leaven !


The great enemy of the cause of Christ, the devil, will not make it obvious that his intention is to undermind the value, merit and efficaciousness of the Death of Christ.

That faith or believing is instrumental by which the elect of God receive and have administered to them, in that the gracious sentence of having our sins forgiven and Justification before God is communicated and concludes in our consciences is a truth of scripture Acts 10:43

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

However, we must not make the mistake, as the false teachers do, to suppose that by believing or by faith we do cause the Lords death to satisfy God's Law and Justice for us, or that until we believe, that God does not accept Christ's death as a satisfaction for our sins. This is the teaching of antichrist.

The fact is, the one believing has been induced to believe, that God has already forgiven them for their sins, His wrath being satisfied and He has received a ransom price in the blood of His Son, and Faith is given to receive this testimony, for hence, faith is a receptive cause but not a efficient cause in forgiveness of sins or Justification, a means to receive but not to cause Justification or salvation !

Beware of the deadly leaven of the antichrist ministers who say otherwise, no matter how appealing it sounds to the ears !
 
savedbygrace57 said:
Beware of the Leaven !


The great enemy of the cause of Christ, the devil, will not make it obvious that his intention is to undermind the value, merit and efficaciousness of the Death of Christ.

That faith or believing is instrumental by which the elect of God receive and have administered to them, in that the gracious sentence of having our sins forgiven and Justification before God is communicated and concludes in our consciences is a truth of scripture Acts 10:43

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

However, we must not make the mistake, as the false teachers do, to suppose that by believing or by faith we do cause the Lords death to satisfy God's Law and Justice for us, or that until we believe, that God does not accept Christ's death as a satisfaction for our sins. This is the teaching of antichrist.

The fact is, the one believing has been induced to believe, that God has already forgiven them for their sins, His wrath being satisfied and He has received a ransom price in the blood of His Son, and Faith is given to receive this testimony, for hence, faith is a receptive cause but not a efficient cause in forgiveness of sins or Justification, a means to receive but not to cause Justification or salvation !

Beware of the deadly leaven of the antichrist ministers who say otherwise, no matter how appealing it sounds to the ears !
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Joh 3:18

 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19

 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20

 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21

 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

An honest discussion of "our will" against "Gods will" would be a helpful thing, but those of you who are defending your "religious traditions", are all in the flesh.

Jas 3:14

 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
Jas 3:15

 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
Jas 3:16

 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
Jas 3:17

 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

Jas 3:18

 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace:wave
 
Faith pleases God !

Heb 11:6

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

For any man to say that he can exercise Faith here, which pleases God, while yet in a state of nature, they are a liar, for its like saying that a corrupt tree can bring forth goof fruit Matt 7:18

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

And Yes Faith is a good fruit from a goodly source Gal 5:22

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith [ Same Word in Heb 11:6],


Thats why when Faith is mentioned in Justification or Salvation, it means evidence of Spiritual Life, or having been born again of the Spirit. Yes the one exercising Faith, has been born of God, and that is what pleases God, His own Work in us through Christ, that is what pleases God Heb 13:21

21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Those who say they pleased God with human faith, not being born again, they are liars !

They that are in the Flesh cannot please God Rom 8:8

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

So how can one exercise Faith in Heb 11:6 and be in the flesh ? Paul confirms here in Rom 8:8 what Jesus had already stated here Matt 7:18

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
 
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Conversion is from God !


Acts 3:19

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

The antichrist crowd would have us believe the lie that a mans conversion to God is contingent upon his own freewill, but that is a lie, for all of Salvation from beginning to its glorious consummation in Glory is all of God, the beginning of which is conversion. God of old promised conversion to the Elect Seed here Deut 30:6

6 And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.



That seed is Identified by Paul here by heart circumcision Rom 2:29

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

These who had a Spiritual reputation of Faith Rom 1:8

8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Yes, these here are those in Rom 2:29 !

Who are also these Rom 4:13-16

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Now this vs 16 " all the seed" is speaking of both jew and gentile ! And they are the same as those in Rom 2:29 who are the ones Identified in Deut 30:6. This informs us that gentiles were part of that seed who it was promised Heart Circumcision to in Deut 30:6, that was a Mystery then !

So yes, again, the seed of Rom 4:13,16 comprised of both jew and gentile believers in Christ, are the seed that God promised conversion to or that He would circumcise their heart in Deut 30:6, which circumcision results in conversion ! I like to see anyone refute this with scripture. This also Identifies Israel as the Church, the Body of Christ, if we have eyes to see !
 
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That God did promise conversion and that it is performed by and through Christ unto the Seed, the Children of Promise or Covenant or of the Prophets is seen in Peter's sermon here Acts 3:22-26

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

The blessing of Conversion through Christ is acknowledged by Peter in Vs 26, where it is proclaimed that Jesus Christ was SENT to Bless them [ Gen 12:3] How ? In Turning everyone of them from their sins or wickedness, that is Conversion !

And for any to ignorantly reply that this here only applied to ethnic jews, then you totally disregard Vs 25 which announces that through Christ the Promised Seed, All Nations shall be blessed ! Blessed how ? Vs 26 by turning them from their sins, Conversion. Now to deny this is to deny the Gospel, for Paul said God Preached the Gospel to Abraham, and what was it ? Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

That is what Acts 3:25 refers to !

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Peter here at the time he preached it, was just ignorant that it applied to Gentiles also ! But doctrinally and according to the Faith he was sound !
 
Who calls upon the Name of the Lord to be saved ?


Rom 10:13

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

The antichrist teachers have hijacked this scripture to teach that Christ died for all without exception and now they all have a chance to get saved if they call upon the name of the Lord ! That is false teaching. This scripture is just Paul reminding that Salvation through Christ, the promised Messiah provides Salvation for both Jews and Gentiles alike vs 12

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

But the question remains, who are those that do actually call upon the name of the Lord and shall be saved ?

First thing to understand, it is those who have been quickened to spiritual life who had been dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

That quickening is what saved them ! and made them alive !

So it is written here Ps 80:18

18 So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name. or ESV

Then we shall not turn back from you; give us life, and we will call upon your name!

Quickening or Life precedes calling upon the name of the Lord, and that quickening is what saved us Eph 2:5, so those who call upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved, meaning their calling upon His Name gave evidence that they had been quickened or saved already !

So calling upon the Name of the Lord in Rom 10:13 is not stating a condition that man must do to get God to save him, but stating a fact that the Messiah has saved all those calling upon Him both of the jews and gentiles as they had been called Rom 9:23-24

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Rom 10:12 confirms Rom 9:23 that those Calling Upon the Lord in Vs 13 are recipients of the Riches of God's Mercy !
 
i am new here, but not new to the debate freewill / Calvinism



i would like to see Bible scripture that backs this statement up " Freewill religion or the Man of sin religion will as stated earlier will always have a Pretentious view of Man !" also curious as to if you fully under stand what free will is? let me just share with you what true free will is. we must be born again. the spirit must draw ( convicting ) in order to receive salvation. i refer to Romans chapter 10.
when the spirit is drawing one must accept . the only conditions to salvation is A B C acknowledge your lost .. Believe from the "pure-sincere" heart in the death burial resurrection of Christ. the confess Jesus is Lord and saviour :)..we make the choice to accept or reject. freewill believes is saved by grace through faith. one can not earn salvation.. nor pick the time date of salvation. that is just the basics .. what it amounts to is He paid a debt he did not owe. i owed a debt i could not pay. :thumbsup
 
savedbygrace57 said:
Who calls upon the Name of the Lord to be saved ?


Rom 10:13

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

The antichrist teachers have hijacked this scripture to teach that Christ died for all without exception and now they all have a chance to get saved if they call upon the name of the Lord ! That is false teaching. This scripture is just Paul reminding that Salvation through Christ, the promised Messiah provides Salvation for both Jews and Gentiles alike vs 12

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

But the question remains, who are those that do actually call upon the name of the Lord and shall be saved ?

First thing to understand, it is those who have been quickened to spiritual life who had been dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

That quickening is what saved them ! and made them alive !

So it is written here Ps 80:18

18 So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name. or ESV

Then we shall not turn back from you; give us life, and we will call upon your name!

Quickening or Life precedes calling upon the name of the Lord, and that quickening is what saved us Eph 2:5, so those who call upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved, meaning their calling upon His Name gave evidence that they had been quickened or saved already !

So calling upon the Name of the Lord in Rom 10:13 is not stating a condition that man must do to get God to save him, but stating a fact that the Messiah has saved all those calling upon Him both of the jews and gentiles as they had been called Rom 9:23-24

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Rom 10:12 confirms Rom 9:23 that those Calling Upon the Lord in Vs 13 are recipients of the Riches of God's Mercy !
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if i might ask you a question what are you trying to prove? your right and every body else is wrong? the Bible says to work out (complete) your own salvation with fear trembling for it is God who work in you. post like this bothers me very much..... while i don,t agree with Calvinism..i dont go around calling them antichrist teachers . you catch more flies with honey than vinegar . please understand i am fully aware of both teachings
 
ezra

if i might ask you a question what are you trying to prove?
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Do you understand the points in the post ? Please answer that and tell me what they are !
 
savedbygrace57 said:
ezra



Do you understand the points in the post ? Please answer that and tell me what they are !
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this is not my 1st rodeo ..i have been in other forums that was Calvinist based .i posted with them . they did not like the scriptures i use in reference to free will. i have been told i am a false teacher --i have even been told i was not saved... i do hope this is not where this is going. one thing folks need to understand is John Calvin & Jacobus Arminius are just mortal men and did not write the Bible. while i hold to freewill i do not practice Arminianism. i am a blood bought child of the king ...my name is written down in the lambs book of life. i have a know so salvation. last but not least i am a ordained minister . but most important i am saved... ( :


if your asking me if i understand calvinism ..yes i do but do you understand what free will is?
 
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ezra

this is not my 1st rodeo
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I am not asking you what rodeo of yours this is, but to explain what my points are that you quoted in post 769. Are you going to do it or not ? I want to know if you understand them, even if you do not agree.
 
Who calls upon the Name of the Lord to be saved ? 2


Again, who are the whosoevers that call upon the Name of the Lord in Rom 10:13

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

We have shown previously that it is both jew and gentile elect and called ones, whom God has been rich in mercy towards them, and who had been quickened or made alive spiritually Ps 80:18; Eph 2:5.

But lets not stop there, for it is the Elect Remnant out of mankind spoken of here by the Prophet Joel Joel 2:32

32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered or saved: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.

The remnant whom the Lord shall call, agreeing with Rom 9:24

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Again,m it is a product of Christ's Riches that any call upon the Name of the Lord Rom 10:12

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Literally He is being rich to all them calling upon Him, for it is by His being rich to them that they are being enabled to call upon Him !

Its as Paul said that the Lord was merciful to him here 1 Tim 1:14

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

Also Paul had related the Prophecy of Joel 2:32 to his present time, where the remnant is named there, Paul names it here as that remnant according to the Election of Grace Rom 11:5-7

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

This is very noteworthy because it Identifies the jewish remnant of Joel 2:32 as belonging to the outcalling of the Church, and not to be at some future time as the false teachers of today teach.
 
savedbygrace57 said:
ezra



I am not asking you what rodeo of yours this is, but to explain what my points are that you quoted in post 769. Are you going to do it or not ? I want to know if you understand them, even if you do not agree.
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so what do you want me to say? we are quickened before salvation. the world is only the divine elect . it would take a while to go back by memory on all this. all your points as you say is all Calvinism doctrine * i asked you * do you understand true freewill? no i am not going to explain your points* i can show you scripture of who so ever will or who so ever shall... not willing any should perish * "The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.†And let the one who hears say, “Come.†And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price." you see it is up to us to accept * :thumbsup
 
ezra said:
so what do you want me to say? we are quickened before salvation. the world is only the divine elect . it would take a while to go back by memory on all this. all your points as you say is all Calvinism doctrine * i asked you * do you understand true freewill? no i am not going to explain your points* i can show you scripture of who so ever will or who so ever shall... not willing any should perish * "The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.†And let the one who hears say, “Come.†And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price." you see it is up to us to accept * :thumbsup
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Well, when you can outline my points you quoted in that post 769, and explain to me what I am saying in each point, I have nothing for you !
 
the antichrist teachers have hijacked this scripture to teach that Christ died for all without exception and now they all have a chance to get saved if they call upon the name of the Lord ! That is false teaching. This scripture is just Paul reminding that Salvation through Christ, the promised Messiah provides Salvation for both Jews and Gentiles alike vs 12
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i think you need to brush up on who the antichrist is.
Again, who are the whosoevers that call upon the Name of the Lord in Rom 10:13
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any one who is drawn by the Spirit. i have gave you all the outline i am going to give. simple fact is if i show you different than what you want to believe. you will deny what i post. you need to remember its jesus way truth life. not Calvinistic way truth life.

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ezra said:
i think you need to brush up on who the antichrist is. any one who is drawn by the Spirit. i have gave you all the outline i am going to give. simple fact is if i show you different than what you want to believe. you will deny what i post. you need to remember its jesus way truth life. not Calvinistic way truth life.

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Well since you have failed to do as i asked with the post 769 that you quoted, I will ignore you for now. But if you decide to address those points and explain what I am saying, then we can debate and I will defend them !
 
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