Gap Theory

[Cooper]

Doesn't answer why, but, that's okay, nevermind.Sorry I asked.

Why do you want a gap?
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[Cooper]

Again that is only speculation as scripture gives no indication that there were people in the land of Nod before Cain went there. We have to remember there were other siblings besides Cain and Able, but yet this has nothing to do with the gap theory between creation and God creating Adam. Please stay on topic.

No speculation at all. Adam and Eve were wearing fig leaves, and the next we read is of people making tents, presumably with cloth.
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[JackrabbitSlim]

Why do you want a gap?
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Why do you not?

 

[Cooper]

Why do you not?

I have shown you a gap in the account, why do you keep harping on about it?

 

[for_his_glory]

Thanks for sharing.
As for the term "eternity past," it is used to explain the time before man. As an example,
God planned the salvation of man in eternity past. Man perceives "in time" (hours, days, months etc.). The third Heaven could be said to have been created in eternity past.
As for the "Gap," (or, double "Gap" as I see it) one would have to go outside of Genesis, to other Bible passages. First, Satan is seen in the garden to tempt Eve in Genesis 3, but there is no mention of his creation. I believe he was created when God created (the third) heaven. Now, Job shows us that angels were present to witness the creation of the earth.
Job 38:1-7;
"Then the Lord answered Job from the whirlwind and said, “Who is this who darkens the divine plan By words without knowledge? Now tighten the belt on your waist like a man,
And I shall ask you, and you inform Me! Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding, Who set its measurements? Since you know.
Or who stretched the measuring line over it? On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy?"
If angels were present to witness the creation of the earth, where was their abode? God created the habitat and then created the inhabitants. Therefore, (the third) heaven and its inhabitants were created before the current earth and man. This is "Gap" number 1.
Gen. 1:2; "And the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters."
Here we see that the earth was formless and void, yet, Isa. 45:18 states that the earth was not created this way; "For this is what the Lord says, He who created the heavens (He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it as a waste place, but formed it to be inhabited): I am the Lord, and there is no one else."
How then, did it become "formless and void" in vs. 2?
Also, the creation account doesn't mention the creation of "the waters", yet the Spirit was "was moving over the surface of the waters."
Just a bit of my thinking.

Being that the third heaven is the throne room of God who no doubt created the angels before the other two heavens and this earth I would have to say the third heaven has always existed without a beginning since God has no beginning or end. The created angels abode has always been in the third heaven serving God. There is no way to know when God created the host of heaven, but we do know the angels are spirit form not of flesh and blood.

We can read about the fall of Satan after God placed him in the garden before the creation of Adam and then was banished from the garden of Eden because of the pride and iniquity that was found in him, Isaiah 14:12-15. Satan has always been allowed to travel between the third heaven and the earth, but yet, even though he was also a created spirit he has had to always work through whatever he can to deceive others.

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth as the earth was void of anything as of yet and was dark and from there forth God started creating everything beginning with light and ending with the creation of man as then He was finished. So I see Isaiah 45:18 confirming that of what God had already finished and then rested on the seventh day.

If you take notice in Genesis 2:1-2 the heavens and the earth and the host, being the angels in the third heaven, and Adam and Eve were created. I see everything happening in a evening to day order consecutively, but then in Genesis 2:2 we lose the evening and morning and only see the word seventh day as it is possibly that the seventh day might have started the 24 hour period we go by today.

You are right about no creation of water for when the earth was void we also see that it was covered in water. Where would have the water come from as God never caused t to rain until the day of Noah and the flood as the dew of the ground watered all the plants. Very curious, but probably no answer that I could thnk of.

But yet I see no gap in any part of creation from the void to the end on the seventh day.

 

[for_his_glory]

Not wanting to intrude, but may I point out that any gap has the effect of extending the process of time.
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Or does it as any gap is still a continued time as I see it, but could be wrong.

 

[Cooper]

Or does it as any gap is still a continued time as I see it, but could be wrong.

If there was a gap in the act of creation, time would continue on.

 

[for_his_glory]

No speculation at all. Adam and Eve were wearing fig leaves, and the next we read is of people making tents, presumably with cloth.
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And again, this is off topic as it has nothing to do with the OP. We are talking about if there was any gap before Adam was created. Anything after Adam is not relevant to the discussion, but you are more than welcomed to start a new thread on that of Cain and the land of Nod.

 

[for_his_glory]

If there was a gap in the act of creation, time would continue on.

and I agree as I said the same thing. A gap is still a period of time.

 

[Cooper]

And again, this is off topic as it has nothing to do with the OP. We are talking about if there was any gap before Adam was created. Anything after Adam is not relevant to the discussion, but you are more than welcomed to start a new thread on that of Cain and the land of Nod.

In post two you quote Genesis 2:2 about the seventh day when God had finished his work.
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[Cooper]

I'm going back to bed, it is 3am here. Good night.

 

[for_his_glory]

No speculation at all. Adam and Eve were wearing fig leaves, and the next we read is of people making tents, presumably with cloth.
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If you do not stay on topic I am going to have to ban you from this thread. One more time, we are discussing the gap theory between the beginning of the earth being void up to the time of Adam and Eve being created and nothing more past that timing. Please do not make me have to ban you from this thread.

 

[for_his_glory]

In post two you quote Genesis 2:2 about the seventh day when God had finished his work.
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And so what is your point??? that is part of the topic up to the time God rested on the seventh day after all He created. The discussion ends there and needs to go nor further after Adam and Eve being created. If you want to talk about Adam and Eve after they were created and had children please start a new thread.

 

[Cooper]

And so what is your point??? that is part of the topic up to the time God rested on the seventh day after all He created. The discussion ends there and needs to go nor further after Adam and Eve being created. If you want to talk about Adam and Eve after they were created and had children please start a new thread.

Modern Active Gap theory devised by Arthur Custance, Weston Fields, Scofield Bible, etc.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. (This is the original creation they correctly say.)

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (They change this to read “And the earth became without form and void.” Saying Satan corrupted civilization.)

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

According to their theory verse 3 is the second act of creation. To my mind, it is a step-by-step description of the order in which God created the world. (“And God said, Let there be … day 1; day 2 etc. etc… “)

To the true God who cannot lie, I say "thank you Lord for being my friend, constant companion and saviour.
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[eddif]

Why do you want a gap?
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Well as a redneck I will try and explain.

wire fence gap - Google Search

www.google.com

A fence gap:
A fence gap is a way to have a method to open a fence area to allow passage from one area to another area temporarily.

Symbolism allows a way to compare the law area to the grace area, but still have two areas separated most of the time.
Open the gap (to make a change), and re-close the gap. In farming a gap is a way to move cattle from one area to another, but just every once in a while.

1 Timothy 5:17 kjv
17. Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

1 Timothy 5:18 kjv
18. For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

One side of the gap is law, and on the other side of the gap is grace. We can stand at the fence and discuss the similarity or leave the seperate areas separated. (A Gap)

If you do not wish to discuss redneck gap theology that is fine.

Just be aware there was a fence installed around Eden to keep Adam out. In Christ Jesus there is a way to get to a little / lot different eternal life.

Symbolism

eddif

 

[Cooper]

Well as a redneck I will try and explain.

wire fence gap - Google Search

www.google.com

A fence gap:
A fence gap is a way to have a method to open a fence area to allow passage from one area to another area temporarily.

Symbolism allows a way to compare the law area to the grace area, but still have two areas separated most of the time.
Open the gap (to make a change), and re-close the gap. In farming a gap is a way to move cattle from one area to another, but just every once in a while.

1 Timothy 5:17 kjv
17. Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

1 Timothy 5:18 kjv
18. For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

One side of the gap is law, and on the other side of the gap is grace. We can stand at the fence and discuss the similarity or leave the seperate areas separated. (A Gap)

If you do not wish to discuss redneck gap theology that is fine.

Just be aware there was a fence installed around Eden to keep Adam out. In Christ Jesus there is a way to get to a little / lot different eternal life.

Symbolism

eddif

I do not need a gap into Satan's parlour thank you.
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[eddif]

Ok

I think the particular gap is:
Ruin Restoration post #6
Genesis 1:28 kjv
28. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

This is what I heard 50? Years ago.
That there was life before Adam, and that life was Ruined. Adam and Eve were to restore / replenish life.

That gap is between first life and restoration life by Adam and Eve?

It took me forever to get the point. I just read gap theory and went to work. I read first Adam and second Adam every so often to make sure I know the difference between Genesis Adam and the second Adam life giving Spirit of life Jesus became.

Of course I am strange to many, and I may be missing the whole point.

JackrabbitSlim is the gap you are interested in Genesis 1:28 ?

Do you want to discuss a wider (gap theory)?

for_his_glory help us out here. I can shut up.

eddif

 

[for_his_glory]

Modern Active Gap theory devised by Arthur Custance, Weston Fields, Scofield Bible, etc.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. (This is the original creation they correctly say.)

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (They change this to read “And the earth became without form and void.” Saying Satan corrupted civilization.)

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

According to their theory verse 3 is the second act of creation. To my mind, it is a step-by-step description of the order in which God created the world. (“And God said, Let there be … day 1; day 2 etc. etc… “)

To the true God who cannot lie, I say "thank you Lord for being my friend, constant companion and saviour.
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It truly does not matter how man wants to change the wording, but can not change the order in how God created everything in His order and timing.

 

[for_his_glory]

Ok

I think the particular gap is:
Ruin Restoration post #6
Genesis 1:28 kjv
28. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

This is what I heard 50? Years ago.
That there was life before Adam, and that life was Ruined. Adam and Eve were to restore / replenish life.

That gap is between first life and restoration life by Adam and Eve?

It took me forever to get the point. I just read gap theory and went to work. I read first Adam and second Adam every so often to make sure I know the difference between Genesis Adam and the second Adam life giving Spirit of life Jesus became.

Of course I am strange to many, and I may be missing the whole point.

JackrabbitSlim is the gap you are interested in Genesis 1:28 ?

Do you want to discuss a wider (gap theory)?

for_his_glory help us out here. I can shut up.

eddif

You are doing fine as we have many takes on this subject, but yet no exact answers.

One thing that always puzzled me was the word replenish in Genesis 1:28. Some just say it should have been written plenish, not replenish. I use the KJV.

 

[eddif]

It truly does not matter how man wants to change the wording, but can not change the order in how God created everything in His order and timing.

Really the flood is one of Gods answers for corruption. There are 8 human souls to restore human life.

Sorry! I talk about being able to shut up, but I seem to keep on.

eddif