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Gap Theory

JackrabbitSlim said:
We-as in myself and members of my church-refer to this as eternity past and eternity future. Pre-Adam is considered eternity past and the time after the Bema Seat judgement and the Great White Throne judgement, New Heaven and New earth is considered eternity future. How that helps.
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That sounds right and it puts paid to the idea that the earth is only ten thousand years old especially as there are the remains of human activity going back 25,000 years.

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The first ever structure built by humans - Bushcraft Buddy

The first ever structure built by humans is a mammoth bone tent in southwestern Russia, but we know nothing of those who built it.
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Cooper said:
That sounds right and it puts paid to the idea that the earth is only ten thousand years old especially as there are the remains of human activity going back 25,000 years.

bushcraftbuddy.com

The first ever structure built by humans - Bushcraft Buddy

The first ever structure built by humans is a mammoth bone tent in southwestern Russia, but we know nothing of those who built it.
bushcraftbuddy.com bushcraftbuddy.com
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This seems like a good place for this discussion.

Creation and Earth's Age

This topic seems to be off great interest to some. Seems fitting that it has it's own post. I do not hold to a young or old earth as I have yet to concretely come to a conclusion on the matter. Honestly, I have no problem seeing both sides of the debate. However, I do fully reject any system...
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for_his_glory said:
I guess we are seeing the big bang maybe in two different ways as I am seeing it through the theory of evolution and you are seeing it as God spoke it and it happened instantly maybe like a blink of an eye as it could have very well of happened that way. We have to remember that God's instant may not be as we see as an instant, I don't know. All I know is that God spoke His creation into existence.
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Right.
The way the universe started has nothing to do with evolution.
I do see it as God spoke everything into existence. And the BB is how it all started.
It does surely seem that science is agreeing with the bible account, although different words are used.

for_his_glory said:
As far as the gap theory, which this thread is all about, I don't know how anyone could possibly know how long it took God to create Adam after everything else was finished.
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Agreed.
 
The "Gap" is between Gen.1a and Gen.1b. What some may think as man before Adam, I believe, is, in fact, angelic. Ruin Recreation can be explained by reading Scripture as follows: Gen. 1a, Isa. 14, Ezek. 28, Jer. 4, Gen. 1b. The events of Isa. 14, Ezek. 28, Jer. 4 is the "Gap."
"In the beginning God created the heavens..." Isa. 14, Ezek. 28, Jer. 4..."and the earth."
 
for_his_glory said:
I guess we are seeing the big bang maybe in two different ways as I am seeing it through the theory of evolution and you are seeing it as God spoke it and it happened instantly maybe like a blink of an eye as it could have very well of happened that way. We have to remember that God's instant may not be as we see as an instant, I don't know. All I know is that God spoke His creation into existence.

As far as the gap theory, which this thread is all about, I don't know how anyone could possibly know how long it took God to create Adam after everything else was finished.
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Can I guess?

24 hours?

Days changed on day 4. On days 1,2,3 no one knows the length of a day. Scientific guesses abound. Some guesses have become theories. Some think their theories are now laws.

Day four established a 24 hour day starting on day 5. I do not believe God had a problem doing things in 24 hour days.

After all this is about how Jesus in his passion on the cross established a new man quickly.
Creation is but a shadow of the reality to come.

I study food and drink, but I actually know they (food and drink) are a shadow of things to come (getting nourishment from words of God is the reality).

From Adam generations are listed in Matthew.
Then Matthew 1:17 kjv
17. So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ arefourteen generations.

A gap exists from OT to Jesus (400 years of silence?).

In one short span of John the Baptist and Jesus a short work accomplished what a long time of prophecy had spoken of.

If a bird shadow crosses a yard, grab a camera and try to get a picture of what cast the shadow. A picture of the shadow just hints of the reality of Jesus.

Romans 1:20 takes me to creation, but creation is symbolism that points to Jesus.

The gap between days 1,2,3 to 24 hour days is a giant change too. I do not know if a bang put the sun moon and stars in their places.

Did I scientifically guess?

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
eddif said:
Can I guess?

24 hours?

Days changed on day 4. On days 1,2,3 no one knows the length of a day. Scientific guesses abound. Some guesses have become theories. Some think their theories are now laws.

Day four established a 24 hour day starting on day 5. I do not believe God had a problem doing things in 24 hour days.

After all this is about how Jesus in his passion on the cross established a new man quickly.
Creation is but a shadow of the reality to come.

I study food and drink, but I actually know they (food and drink) are a shadow of things to come (getting nourishment from words of God is the reality).

From Adam generations are listed in Matthew.
Then Matthew 1:17 kjv
17. So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ arefourteen generations.

A gap exists from OT to Jesus (400 years of silence?).

In one short span of John the Baptist and Jesus a short work accomplished what a long time of prophecy had spoken of.

If a bird shadow crosses a yard, grab a camera and try to get a picture of what cast the shadow. A picture of the shadow just hints of the reality of Jesus.

Romans 1:20 takes me to creation, but creation is symbolism that points to Jesus.

The gap between days 1,2,3 to 24 hour days is a giant change too. I do not know if a bang put the sun moon and stars in their places.

Did I scientifically guess?

Mississippi redneck
eddif
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All I know is God's ways are not our ways in what He does and what length of time He does things in. I really do not know how long after God created everything that He created Adam. Did the plants and trees have to grow first causing an amount of time or were they fully form as adult plants and trees. I just don't know but there are a lot of speculations and theories out there.
 
wondering said:
Right.
The way the universe started has nothing to do with evolution.
I do see it as God spoke everything into existence. And the BB is how it all started.
It does surely seem that science is agreeing with the bible account, although different words are used.


Agreed.
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I haven't had much time to really get into researching all of this, been pretty busy of late, but something interesting.
 
for_his_glory said:
All I know is God's ways are not our ways in what He does and what length of time He does things in. I really do not know how long after God created everything that He created Adam. Did the plants and trees have to grow first causing an amount of time or were they fully form as adult plants and trees. I just don't know but there are a lot of speculations and theories out there.
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What we can be sure of is that the earth had to be ready for man.
The fine tuning theory.
In the bible.
In science.

BTW
I hope we all know that the word Theory does not mean what it normally does.

In science someone puts forth a Theory.
When, and if, it's been proven, it's still called a Theory.
 
for_his_glory said:
All I know is God's ways are not our ways in what He does and what length of time He does things in. I really do not know how long after God created everything that He created Adam. Did the plants and trees have to grow first causing an amount of time or were they fully form as adult plants and trees. I just don't know but there are a lot of speculations and theories out there.
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LOL
You had said I guess, so I said the same thing.

Speculation at times on my part. Everything had to be ready for man. Oxygen levels, soil, minerals, ozone level, ozone level.

I was raised hearing that God did everything in six 24 hour days, and rested the seventh. In college I faced uniformaterilism. Then I noticed day 4, and it kind of allowed for both groups.

Time had to be running for the stars to foretell his birth. The cosmos had to have everything just so. The solar, lunar, star alignment had to after.

Time right for man
Time right for the second Adam / Jesus.


In the fullness of time man appeared.
In the fullness of time Jesus appeared.
Galatians 4:4

If Jesus was going to appear in the fullness of time then a type/ shadow of that future event would appear in scripture.
Amos 3:7

The 400 year gap was in place.

eddif
 
JackrabbitSlim said:
We-as in myself and members of my church-refer to this as eternity past and eternity future. Pre-Adam is considered eternity past and the time after the Bema Seat judgement and the Great White Throne judgement, New Heaven and New earth is considered eternity future. How that helps.
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Would you not say that everything "from the beginning" would be that of eternity as we would understand this. God has no beginning nor end as having always been eternal. I really do not think any of us would actually know if there was a gap as all the animals were created on the fifth day that would include what we call Dinosaurs as God did not create any other animals, but being evening to morning that we have to take into consideration would not be a 24 hour day as we know. If we look at Genesis 1:20-23 God created all sea life on the fifth day. On the six day God created all land animals Genesis 1:24-25. After all the animals were created then God said let us make man in our own image, vs. 27. So then God created man on the sixth day as we see once again the wording, evening and morning. so by the sixth day of evening and morning God has created everything and then rested on the seventh day, no evening or morning, just the seventh day, which could have begun the 24 hour period that we know today. When you go to Genesis 2 you read the generations of everything that God created on the sixth day of evening to morning and then proceeds to give details how Adam and Eve were created.

Explaining all of this I see no gap between what God created until He created man. Just my thoughts.
 
for_his_glory said:
Would you not say that everything "from the beginning" would be that of eternity as we would understand this. God has no beginning nor end as having always been eternal. I really do not think any of us would actually know if there was a gap as all the animals were created on the fifth day that would include what we call Dinosaurs as God did not create any other animals, but being evening to morning that we have to take into consideration would not be a 24 hour day as we know. If we look at Genesis 1:20-23 God created all sea life on the fifth day. On the six day God created all land animals Genesis 1:24-25. After all the animals were created then God said let us make man in our own image, vs. 27. So then God created man on the sixth day as we see once again the wording, evening and morning. so by the sixth day of evening and morning God has created everything and then rested on the seventh day, no evening or morning, just the seventh day, which could have begun the 24 hour period that we know today. When you go to Genesis 2 you read the generations of everything that God created on the sixth day of evening to morning and then proceeds to give details how Adam and Eve were created.

Explaining all of this I see no gap between what God created until He created man. Just my thoughts.
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Can I just say that the gap is not in God's creative act, which you describe very well and which I believe was continuous, and I think you do also, but comes between the creation of Adam and Eve in chapter two and the murder of Able. The Land of Nod to where Cain fled is described as having a sophisticated society far in advance of primitive cavemen and is well populated.
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for_his_glory said:
Would you not say that everything "from the beginning" would be that of eternity as we would understand this. God has no beginning nor end as having always been eternal. I really do not think any of us would actually know if there was a gap as all the animals were created on the fifth day that would include what we call Dinosaurs as God did not create any other animals, but being evening to morning that we have to take into consideration would not be a 24 hour day as we know. If we look at Genesis 1:20-23 God created all sea life on the fifth day. On the six day God created all land animals Genesis 1:24-25. After all the animals were created then God said let us make man in our own image, vs. 27. So then God created man on the sixth day as we see once again the wording, evening and morning. so by the sixth day of evening and morning God has created everything and then rested on the seventh day, no evening or morning, just the seventh day, which could have begun the 24 hour period that we know today. When you go to Genesis 2 you read the generations of everything that God created on the sixth day of evening to morning and then proceeds to give details how Adam and Eve were created.

Explaining all of this I see no gap between what God created until He created man. Just my thoughts.
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Thanks for sharing.
As for the term "eternity past," it is used to explain the time before man. As an example,
God planned the salvation of man in eternity past. Man perceives "in time" (hours, days, months etc.). The third Heaven could be said to have been created in eternity past.
As for the "Gap," (or, double "Gap" as I see it) one would have to go outside of Genesis, to other Bible passages. First, Satan is seen in the garden to tempt Eve in Genesis 3, but there is no mention of his creation. I believe he was created when God created (the third) heaven. Now, Job shows us that angels were present to witness the creation of the earth.
Job 38:1-7;
"Then the Lord answered Job from the whirlwind and said, “Who is this who darkens the divine plan By words without knowledge? Now tighten the belt on your waist like a man,
And I shall ask you, and you inform Me! Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding, Who set its measurements? Since you know.
Or who stretched the measuring line over it? On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy?"
If angels were present to witness the creation of the earth, where was their abode? God created the habitat and then created the inhabitants. Therefore, (the third) heaven and its inhabitants were created before the current earth and man. This is "Gap" number 1.
Gen. 1:2; "And the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters."
Here we see that the earth was formless and void, yet, Isa. 45:18 states that the earth was not created this way; "For this is what the Lord says, He who created the heavens (He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it as a waste place, but formed it to be inhabited): I am the Lord, and there is no one else."
How then, did it become "formless and void" in vs. 2?
Also, the creation account doesn't mention the creation of "the waters", yet the Spirit was "was moving over the surface of the waters."
Just a bit of my thinking.
 
Cooper said:
The Land of Nod to where Cain fled is described as having a sophisticated society far in advance of primitive cavemen and is well populated.
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Again that is only speculation as scripture gives no indication that there were people in the land of Nod before Cain went there. We have to remember there were other siblings besides Cain and Able, but yet this has nothing to do with the gap theory between creation and God creating Adam. Please stay on topic.
 
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