On the contrary, my previous post shows how it is entirely consistent--each day begins with "And God said". The inconsistency would be to say that the first day starts with verse 1 instead of verse 3 where we see the first "And God said".
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Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 time gap?
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Stan1953
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that would be because it was the start, NOT another day. God did two things on day one. Created the geological universe and brought light into it.
It should be quite clear that God started creating in verse3.
There is no indication that God started creating in verse1.
It is simply a statement of what God did in the beginning.
There is no indication that God started creating in verse1.
It is simply a statement of what God did in the beginning.
Creation started in verse 1:
1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. 6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." 7 And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. 8 And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day. 9 And God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth." And it was so. (ESV)
The Earth was already in existence in verse 3, as verse 2 clearly shows.
turnorburn
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i don't see that Free about the earth already being in existence, from verse one into verse two Moses continues the story is all, then goes on to tell us how Jesus put it all together, then we get into mans theories about what may have happened. The bible is a book about faith, when we start looking for evidence we get into confusion, and the devil will always put his two cents in "hath God said"
tob
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Yes, it's all about faith.
Yes, verse two is a continuation of verse one but we clearly see in verse two that the Earth is in existence before verse three, which, as I have shown, could possibility be the first day of creation.
The Bible is much more than merely a book about faith. It does give us evidence of certain things, although in the case of creation, not so much.
My whole point has been that Gen 1 allows for a very old Earth. Whether or not it is is not something the Bible gives evidence for.
kickedoutofchurch
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I assume by "following" you mean via faith, right? Where does this faith originate? In his soul where his human will is or in his spirit where he has no access to? What authors or originates our faith that makes us a "Christian"?
Stan1953
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Right, He CREATED. That would be a BIG indication.
This brings up an interesting point. Yesterday, just for fun, I watched a program by Stephen Hawking titled “Did God Create the Universe.” The one thing that stuck out in my mind was near the end of the film he concluded that the universe was created from nothing and came into existance by a “big bang.” The underlined words are in fact the words he used.
To me, this totally defies the essence of what it is to be a scientist. From a scientific perspective everything has a beginning and an end with cause and effect. For example, I was taught that energy which Hawkings said was one of two main components required, the other being time, cannot be created but only changed from one form to another. To come from nothing means there was no cause for the universe to be created and therefore breaks all the rules of physics.
If nothing else, this only serves to add even more credibility to the reality that the universe was in fact created from nothing…by God. God was the causitive influence that resulted in the creation of the universe. It’s just too bad that Mr. Hawking didn’t realize what he was saying when he said it.
To me, this totally defies the essence of what it is to be a scientist. From a scientific perspective everything has a beginning and an end with cause and effect. For example, I was taught that energy which Hawkings said was one of two main components required, the other being time, cannot be created but only changed from one form to another. To come from nothing means there was no cause for the universe to be created and therefore breaks all the rules of physics.
If nothing else, this only serves to add even more credibility to the reality that the universe was in fact created from nothing…by God. God was the causitive influence that resulted in the creation of the universe. It’s just too bad that Mr. Hawking didn’t realize what he was saying when he said it.
kickedoutofchurch
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Amen to that. If we dig into scripture carefully we have to admit that it definitely seems to indicate there was much more going on that what we have been taught.
kickedoutofchurch
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Yes! That is what I see too. I see the "big bang" as what happened in Genesis 1:1 and other parts of the Word. I believe science when it says the entire universe was created in a microsecond - when God spoke the words.
As non-scientists, we can't confirm all the scientific jargon and things they state as true unless we too are scientists of the same area of discipline. However, much of what they teach and "believe" if you will such as the big bang theory does line up with scripture. Evolution does not. I see it as this. Science can only "prove" things in this realm God calls the shadow which is not the FULL truth but only parts of the truth or an "image" of the truth. We don't live in the truth right now, but only a "shadow of the truth". We are in a world under law and the law is only a "shadow of the truth". Hebrews 10:1, Colossians 2:17, John 1:17 This includes man's natural, scientific mind. It is under law and only see's the "shadow" and not the full truth. God has a huge impassible gap called the "expanse" or "veil" between this natural Earthly realm and the TRUE spiritual realm who IS Christ himself. John 1:14, John 1:17, John 14:6 You can see the expanse or gap if you will separating these two realms being put there in Genesis 1:6-8.
Then God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” 7 God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so. 8 God called the expanse heaven. Genesis 1:6-8
It's also like the (or could be the very same) gap that separated the rich man from the beggar in the Parable of Lazarus. Luke 16:26.
No human or human mind ever can cross that gap or "veil" or "expanse" unless God himself crosses it for us. Thus, it takes faith to cross that chasm and faith is not by sight (equation, formulas and "proof") in this current age. Science by it's very definition demands proof and it's limit of "proof" will be up to the expanse itself in the natural, physical world. Science will never be able to prove anything beyond the expanse as that takes faith and faith is never by sight or proof.
Here my friends is the most beautiful thing! God DID cross the expanse which he calls the VEIL or "second curtain" that separates man from himself in heaven! He made the body or flesh of his very OWN SON the actual veil itself! This way his Son could deliver the truth to us personally from the true realm of the Spirit into the current shadow realm of Earth where our souls (and science) exist.
Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place Hebrews 9:3
by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh Hebrews 10:20 The "veil" is his actual body. He was much more than a human being.
Ponder these POWERFUL verses my friends.
But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation; 12and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me John 14:6
"me" in John 14:6 = "the actual veil" or chasm or impassible gap between man and God from Genesis 1:6! Christ IS that veil and he is the "highway" or source of ALL our true FAITH that crosses over the gap between God and man's natural soul.
Sorry to get so off topic here, but this is very exciting to see what Christ REALLY did at the cross. It's MUCH BIGGER than the natural, soulish-realm gospel that we have been taught. My main point is that the upper limit of science is the natural and can not go beyond the gap or veil itself. One day God will remove that in our everyday experience too and science and GOD will be one and fully reconciled.
God bless,
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I checked out your website. Good teachings there as God has opened your Spiritual eyes and ears to hear His word speak to your heart.