God's Conditional Grace

[Danus]

God’s Grace –Is been given to those who DO NOT deserve it, CAN NOT earn it, and have done NOTHING for it but to simply receive it. It is uncommon.



New Living Translation Galatians 2:21I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die.


(Psalm 103:12)“As far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from usâ€. This psalm also tells us that God not only forgives our sins, but removes them completely from His presence. This is a profound thing! Without question, this is a very difficult concept for humans to grasp, which is why it's so easy for us to worry and wonder about forgiveness instead of just accepting it. The key lies in simply giving up our doubts and our feelings of guilt and resting in His promises of forgiveness.


1. Name a time in your life when you felt unworthy of God’s Love


2. . Describe how you are worthy of God’s Love now, what makes God Love you?


Grace is a gift from God (Ephesians 2:8). 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
We should pray for the spirit and will of God, because when we sin, the Spirit will convict us of sin such that a godly sorrow will result (2 Corinthians 7:10-11).10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvationand leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death. 11 See what this godly sorrow has produced in you: what earnestness, what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what alarm, what longing, what concern, what readiness to see justice done. At every point you have proved yourselves to be innocent in this matter.He will not condemn our souls as if there is no hope, for there is no longer any condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:1). Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,The Spirit’s conviction within us is a movement of love and grace.

Grace is not an excuse to sin (Romans 6:1-2), What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? And it dare not be abused, meaning that sin must be called sin, and it cannot be treated as if it is harmless or inoffensive. Unrepentant believers need to be lovingly confronted and guided to freedom, and unbelievers need to be told that they need to repent. But, we should also emphasize the remedy, for we have been given grace upon grace (John 1:16). 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given.It is how we live, how we are saved, how we are sanctified, and how we will be kept and glorified. Christians are to receive grace when we sin through repenting and confessing our sin to God. Why live a soiled life when Christ offers to make us clean and whole and right in the eyes of God even though we are not?

The problem many Christians can have with not accepting grace is guilt for receiving what they know they do not deserve. That guilt is not from God, and it can lead to doubt or even pride as people try in vain to live up to “conditions of the law†in order to feel worthy rather than trust in God when God says they cannot meet the conditions and that they must leaning on the promise of God in faith, by faith that our relationship with God is in fact a real relationship and not just that of a duty bound servant. We are in fact privileged,true sons and daughters of God in this relationship made possible by the blood of Jesus Christ. We were bought with a high price.

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[ivdavid]

Jesus did not go and wash His eyes for the man nor did God go and dip for Namaan.

When I wrote about God's working through sequential processes, I obviously didn't imply that God walked through the processes Himself - He causes man to walk through them. Take it as the converse of Rom 7:17 - perhaps Gal 2:20 - as not man, but Christ in man who effectively leads him to work out His commands.

On the cross, Christ did not believe for man, repent for man, confess with His mouth for man or be baptized for man.

Please could you factor in what I've written in your response or tell me what more I need to clarify.

What Christ did on the cross was make salvation available to all men that choose to obey Him, Heb 5:9...

Isn't there a difference between "He became the author/causer of eternal salvation" and "He made salvation available"? I hold God alone to be the cause of our salvation while not the cause of our sin that leads to death.

Also, consider the following statement - "I will save you by all men that lappeth of the water with his tongue." - there are 2 inferences possible from this.
1. The lapping of water with the tongue is a causative conditional in our being saved - as if this is an attribute or factor that directly influences and effects our salvation.
2. The lapping of water with the tongue is a descriptive conditional in our being saved - where the lapping of water has no causative effect on our salvation but is only mentioned as an adjective of the men who are going to be used as the instrument of our salvation by some other causative force/factor.

Would you agree with the validity of both these inferences? If so, would you then agree that every verse which has the same semantic structure as of Heb 5:9 could be inferred as a descriptive conditional rather than a causative conditional?

Jesus here[John 6:28-29] say YOU DO the work of believing.

God has the right to condemn man here itself for disobeying Him but of His universal grace, He provides an offer of salvation and commands man to choose it by repenting and believing into Christ - and man in the flesh still disobeys.

This too forms a part of the doctrine I hold - an important part - and as you can see, it's quite consistent. I understand that your worldview's presuppositions throw up contradictions with my worldview's conclusions - and that's expected - to establish truth, we must first validate a particular worldview's conclusions with its own presuppositions and then validate which presuppositions among different worldviews are true - these presuppositions being derived from Scripture alone. I am merely validating my worldview's conclusions with its own presuppositions and none have been broken. But let's proceed and deal with comparing our differing presuppositions, starting with this -

... those who did live under the OT law when it was still in effect could be reckoned righteous by keeping it.

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Paul here concludes all under the law to be under the curse by quoting not a NT doctrine but an OT verse.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
No man is justified by the law in the sight of God for, - another OT verse validates it as so.

Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
More verses that hold their basis on only OT Scriptures, "as it is written".

Can you see how this entire passage repudiates justification under the OT law by using OT Scripture itself - which shows that even before the NT revelation, those under the law could not be justified under it?

As to how people in the OT were justified unto righteousness, we know it is not by the law of works but as in Rom 4:5 (note that God justifies the ungodly and not the godly - which is what the ungodly believe unto imputed righteousness for - having righteousness infused too into their new inner man as part of God's sanctifying work in His people).

Moreover, Acts 15:11 states how our fathers who were under the law became saved.

Luke says of them "And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless." They were righteous for they condtionally walked in all the commandments of the Lord blameless.

Isn't there a difference between saying "they were righteous,walking in all the commandments of the Lord" and saying "they were righteous - for - they walked in all the commandments of the Lord"?

In "they were tired, working all day" - the latter part causes the former.
In "they were scared, hiding all day" - the latter part evidences the former ie the former causes the latter part.

Would you agree that all verses having the same semantic structure as Luke 1:6 could be interpreted as being descriptive/evidential rather than causative?

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

IMO its the same for every one us.. We all struggle with sin in our members.. Because the FLESH (our flesh) wars against the SPIRIT of Christ in us...

That's why if we're in Christ, we are not under the LAW, for there is no law against love, joy, peace, etc..

All are under Christ's NT law as Paul said he was under law to Christ.

Sin is transgression of the law and if there were no law then there would be no sin. Since people do sin that proves their is a alw to which they are accountable.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

God’s Grace –Is been given to those who DO NOT deserve it, CAN NOT earn it, and have done NOTHING for it but to simply receive it. It is uncommon.



New Living Translation Galatians 2:21I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die.


(Psalm 103:12)“As far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from usâ€. This psalm also tells us that God not only forgives our sins, but removes them completely from His presence. This is a profound thing! Without question, this is a very difficult concept for humans to grasp, which is why it's so easy for us to worry and wonder about forgiveness instead of just accepting it. The key lies in simply giving up our doubts and our feelings of guilt and resting in His promises of forgiveness.


1. Name a time in your life when you felt unworthy of God’s Love


2. . Describe how you are worthy of God’s Love now, what makes God Love you?


Grace is a gift from God (Ephesians 2:8). 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
We should pray for the spirit and will of God, because when we sin, the Spirit will convict us of sin such that a godly sorrow will result (2 Corinthians 7:10-11).10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvationand leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death. 11 See what this godly sorrow has produced in you: what earnestness, what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what alarm, what longing, what concern, what readiness to see justice done. At every point you have proved yourselves to be innocent in this matter.He will not condemn our souls as if there is no hope, for there is no longer any condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:1). Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,The Spirit’s conviction within us is a movement of love and grace.

Grace is not an excuse to sin (Romans 6:1-2), What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? And it dare not be abused, meaning that sin must be called sin, and it cannot be treated as if it is harmless or inoffensive. Unrepentant believers need to be lovingly confronted and guided to freedom, and unbelievers need to be told that they need to repent. But, we should also emphasize the remedy, for we have been given grace upon grace (John 1:16). 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given.It is how we live, how we are saved, how we are sanctified, and how we will be kept and glorified. Christians are to receive grace when we sin through repenting and confessing our sin to God. Why live a soiled life when Christ offers to make us clean and whole and right in the eyes of God even though we are not?

The problem many Christians can have with not accepting grace is guilt for receiving what they know they do not deserve. That guilt is not from God, and it can lead to doubt or even pride as people try in vain to live up to “conditions of the law†in order to feel worthy rather than trust in God when God says they cannot meet the conditions and that they must leaning on the promise of God in faith, by faith that our relationship with God is in fact a real relationship and not just that of a duty bound servant. We are in fact privileged,true sons and daughters of God in this relationship made possible by the blood of Jesus Christ. We were bought with a high price.

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Naaman had to "accept" or "receive" God's grace by meeting the condition God put upon His grace by dipping 7 times. The problem some have is thinking doing some work as dipping meant Naaman would have earned his healing so it would not be of grace. Naaman's example shows that free gifts as grace can and does come with conditions yet conditions do not earn what has already been offered for free.

 

[Eventide]

All are under Christ's NT law as Paul said he was under law to Christ.

I disagree because Paul said that if ye be IN CHRIST, then ye are NOT under the LAW.. and the reason imo is simple.. because Christ IN YOU fulfills the law perfectly in love.. because that is HIS divine nature... love, joy, peace, etc..

Sin is transgression of the law and if there were no law then there would be no sin. Since people do sin that proves their is a alw to which they are accountable.

Christ in you can NOT sin... it's clearly contrary to His nature and the nature of the FLESH.. which wars against the Spirit of Christ in us.. OUR OLD MAN on the other hand does sin... that is his nature.. and the OLD MAN clearly remains condemned under the LAW.. because that is what the LAW is for... sinners... and that IS its purpose.. to bring us TO CHRIST.

If you don't understand that you have two distinct natures living within your earthen vessel (ours and His), then imo you can't understand this biblical truth.

 

[rrowell]

I disagree because Paul said that if ye be IN CHRIST, then ye are NOT under the LAW.. and the reason imo is simple.. because Christ IN YOU fulfills the law perfectly in love.. because that is HIS divine nature... love, joy, peace, etc..

If you don't understand that you have two distinct natures living within your earthen vessel (ours and His), then imo you can't understand this biblical truth.

We are not under the law of Moses, if we are "In Christ" we are under the law of Christ:

1 Corinthians 9:21 (KJV)
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

Galatians 6:2 (KJV)
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

James 1:25 (KJV)
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

 

[Eventide]

We are not under the law of Moses, if we are "In Christ" we are under the law of Christ:

Thank you.. we are not under the LAW of Moses.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[John 8:32]

Thank you.. we are not under the LAW of Moses.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

What is the law of Christ?

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Thank you.. we are not under the LAW of Moses.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

I have never said we are under the law of Moses.

 

[Eventide]

I have never said we are under the law of Moses.

Then I misunderstood you.. I stand corrected.

 

[Eventide]

What is the law of Christ?

Read it for yourself.. His attributes are clearly written for us..

Love, joy, peace, gentleness, goodness, faith, etc..

Do you believe that these are YOUR attributes or HIS ALONE ?

 

[John 8:32]

Read it for yourself.. His attributes are clearly written for us..

Love, joy, peace, gentleness, goodness, faith, etc..

Do you believe that these are YOUR attributes or HIS ALONE ?

Help me out here, show me where the scripture says what the law of Christ is.

 

[Eventide]

Help me out here, show me where the scripture says what the law of Christ is.

It's the law of the SPIRIT of Christ.. and what are the attributes or fruits of His Spirit.. don't you know ?

I'm not sure if you do because yesterday you asked me what sin is.. and if you don't know what that is, then I'd suppose that you won't know what the Spirit of Christ is..

 

[Eventide]

IMO it's silly to think that you are obedient to the LAWS of Moses when the very intent of those laws were to show us how exceedingly sinful we ARE.. and lead us to CHRIST... who ALONE fulfills the righteous requirements of the LAW..

If you'd like to try and be the 2nd to do it.. then be my guest.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Please could you factor in what I've written in your response or tell me what more I need to clarify.


Isn't there a difference between "He became the author/causer of eternal salvation" and "He made salvation available"? I hold God alone to be the cause of our salvation while not the cause of our sin that leads to death.

Also, consider the following statement - "I will save you by all men that lappeth of the water with his tongue." - there are 2 inferences possible from this.
1. The lapping of water with the tongue is a causative conditional in our being saved - as if this is an attribute or factor that directly influences and effects our salvation.
2. The lapping of water with the tongue is a descriptive conditional in our being saved - where the lapping of water has no causative effect on our salvation but is only mentioned as an adjective of the men who are going to be used as the instrument of our salvation by some other causative force/factor.


Would you agree with the validity of both these inferences? If so, would you then agree that every verse which has the same semantic structure as of Heb 5:9 could be inferred as a descriptive conditional rather than a causative conditional?

If you want to look at it as Jesus causes salvation unto all them that obey Him. Jesus does not cause/force salvation (or condemnation) apart from or independently from the action of man.

The language of Heb 5:9 does not allow for the idea that one is first saved, then they obey....the verse does not say Christ is the author of salvation to all them that disobey Him. Nor does it say Christ is the author of salvation based on some random choice or unknown reason(s). He saves those that obey Him.

One must first obey for Christ to save them. One is in a state of disobedience and remain in that state until they obey.

2 Thess 1:8 says God will have vengeance upon those that "obey not".

Rom 2:8 "But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;"


So those that obey not will be lost which can only mean Heb 5:9 is saying on thsoe that obey will be saved. Obedience/disobedience is the standard by which everyone's eternal destiny will be determined.

Judges 7:5 "So he brought down the people unto the water: and the LORD said unto Gideon, Every one that lappeth of the water with his tongue, as a dog lappeth, him shalt thou set by himself; likewise every one that boweth down upon his knees to drink."

Above you said of lapping "but (lapping) is only mentioned as an adjective of the men who are going to be used as the instrument of our salvation by some other causative force/factor."

So as I see it, you trying to say being set aside is not based upon if one laps or not, that being set aside is determined by "some other causative force".

So from Heb 5:9 you are trying to say obeying or not obeying makes no difference in being saved, that "some other causative force" determines who Christ saves. You are trying to make your theology that "other caustive force" that saves and remove obedience from the verse all together. The language is too plain and does not allow for that.

This too forms a part of the doctrine I hold - an important part - and as you can see, it's quite consistent. I understand that your worldview's presuppositions throw up contradictions with my worldview's conclusions - and that's expected - to establish truth, we must first validate a particular worldview's conclusions with its own presuppositions and then validate which presuppositions among different worldviews are true - these presuppositions being derived from Scripture alone. I am merely validating my worldview's conclusions with its own presuppositions and none have been broken. But let's proceed and deal with comparing our differing presuppositions, starting with this -


Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Paul here concludes all under the law to be under the curse by quoting not a NT doctrine but an OT verse.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
No man is justified by the law in the sight of God for, - another OT verse validates it as so.

Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
More verses that hold their basis on only OT Scriptures, "as it is written".

Can you see how this entire passage repudiates justification under the OT law by using OT Scripture itself - which shows that even before the NT revelation, those under the law could not be justified under it?

As to how people in the OT were justified unto righteousness, we know it is not by the law of works but as in Rom 4:5 (note that God justifies the ungodly and not the godly - which is what the ungodly believe unto imputed righteousness for - having righteousness infused too into their new inner man as part of God's sanctifying work in His people).

Moreover, Acts 15:11 states how our fathers who were under the law became saved.

James 2:21,22,24,25 "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? ...Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent [them] out another way?"

The problem at Galatia was Judiazing teachers falsely told them they could not be justified unless they were circumcised. Yet just keeping the OT rite of circumcision would not justify for one had to keep ALL the law perfectly to be justified and if one did not keep all of it he would be under the curse of that law and the Galatians put themselves under the curse.

Gal 3:11 "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident:"

I just explained why it was evident for the law required one to keep it all perfectly to be justified.

"for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. "

"Paul then quoted from Hab. 2:4, i.e., "The righteous shall live by faith"; thus the prophets had borne testimony to the fact that the purpose of God, even in the Old Testament, was looking for an "obedient faith" in his children, and not merely for the legalistic type of rule-keeping which was the essence of the Law. The Law did not even require faith, as seen in the quotation Paul gave here from Leviticus 18:5, the meaning of which may be paraphrased, "No matter about faith; do the Law and live." This was the essence of Judaism.

Now regarding the conceit that would make Habakkuk say, "The righteous shall live by FAITH ONLY? such a meaning was never in any Old Testament usage of faith. As we have already observed, trust/faith or faith only simply did not pertain to the word in the Old Testament. Paul was here merely pointing out that, from the beginning, God had been interested in receiving "faithful obedience" from his followers, and not a mere faithless rule-keeping." Coffman Commentary


So under the OT they could be justified by keeping it perfectly yet no one but Christ could do that. But they could be justified by faith, NOT faith only. From James 2 above, Abraham and Rahab did not keep God's law perfectly but they were justified by an OBEDIENT faith.

Rom 4:5 Abraham was one who "worketh not, but believeth"

In the context of Rom 4:4,5 "worketh" in verse 4 refers to one who thinks he can keep the OT law perfectly and thereby his salvation would be of debt and not grace. So one who "worketh not" was one who did not try to keep the law perfectly and thereby earn salvation.

So Abraham was one who "worketh not, but believeth", he did not try to keep the law perfectly and earn salvation but he was one who "believeth". Abraham had an obedient faith, Gen 12:1-3 cf Heb 11:8. So "believeth" does not exclude obedient works of faith but excludes works of merit trying to earn salvation.

To summarize: in Galatians 3 Paul is saying one could not be justified by the law for justification under the OT required keeping it perfectly and no one could (other than Christ). But one could be justified by faith (NOT faith only) "The righteous shall live by faith." Abraham and Rahab did not keep the law perfectly to be justified but they had an OBEDIENT FAITH that justified them and, as Coffman points out, an obedient faith is what God looks for and not a faithless keeping of the law perfectly.


Acts 15:11 simply says Jews and Gentiles are saved in like manner. The Jews in Acts 2:38 and Gentiles in Acts 10:47,48 were both water baptized in the name of the Lord for remission of sins, this is the like manner way.

Isn't there a difference between saying "they were righteous,walking in all the commandments of the Lord" and saying "they were righteous - for - they walked in all the commandments of the Lord"?

In "they were tired, working all day" - the latter part causes the former.
In "they were scared, hiding all day" - the latter part evidences the former ie the former causes the latter part.

Would you agree that all verses having the same semantic structure as Luke 1:6 could be interpreted as being descriptive/evidential rather than causative?

No.

They were reckoned righteous because they did walk in God's commandments and statutes blameless. One can only be blameless by walking in God's commands for blame/sin is upon thoe that disobey God's commands.

Psa 119:172 says all of God's commandments are righteous. So doing God's command is the same as doing righteousness. No oe can be righteous while doing unrighteousness. As John said "he that doeth righteousness is righteous". It is not possible for one to do unrighteousness and be righteeous.

In Acts 10:35 Peter said those that worketh righteousness are accepted with God. As long as one is obeying unrighteusness he is not accepted with God. So John'a parent had to be doing God's command/righteousness to be righteous/accepted with God.

From Rom 2:8 "But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,"

So one is either doing one of two things: 1) obeying the truth or 2) obeying unrighteousness.

It would be impossible for John's parents to be righteous while obeying unrighteousness.

Some try to have some righteous BEFORE they ever do any righteousness just like they try and have some sinner before they ever do any unrighteousness. It's not possible, as I said before it's like calling a wall pained before any paint has ever been put on the wall.

If John's parents were righteous BEFORE they walked in God's commands, then how were they made righteous while they were still obeying unrighteousness, Rom 2:8?

How were they accepted with God BEFORE they worked righteousness, Acts 10:35?

 

[John 8:32]

IMO it's silly to think that you are obedient to the LAWS of Moses when the very intent of those laws were to show us how exceedingly sinful we ARE.. and lead us to CHRIST... who ALONE fulfills the righteous requirements of the LAW..

If you'd like to try and be the 2nd to do it.. then be my guest.

So not murdering is silly? Not lying is silly? Hmmm, I think I will strive to be silly.

 

[Eventide]

So not murdering is silly? Not lying is silly? Hmmm, I think I will strive to be silly.

No, what's silly is believing that YOU are going to fulfill the righteous requirements of the LAW.. something which Christ ALONE has done.

If you'd like to be the 2nd, as mentioned, by all means go for it.

 

[Eventide]

Part of my work involves discovering root cause.. and imo the root cause of this is a misunderstanding of what is actually happening in the Christian life..

It seems to me that many people are led to believe that God is making YOU better.. and that's completely wrong.

God has condemned all in the 1st Adam and justified every last one in the LAST ADAM, our Lord Jesus Christ.

IOW, it's not Christ AND me.. it's Christ in me, that is our hope of glory.

 

[Eventide]

Then imo, once this is understood, it clears away a lot of the other baggage which Christians carry around with them.. things like unconditional election which teaches that God CHOSE ME.. a blatant contradiction to the truth of scripture... once that's out of the way, the nonsense of limited atonement disolves into nothing.. because Christ IS the elect of God.. etc etc etc..

 

[John 8:32]

IMO it's silly to think that you are obedient to the LAWS of Moses when the very intent of those laws were to show us how exceedingly sinful we ARE.. and lead us to CHRIST... who ALONE fulfills the righteous requirements of the LAW..

If you'd like to try and be the 2nd to do it.. then be my guest.

The intent of God's law is to show us how sinful we are?

Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Now that right there is interesting in itself.

Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Psa 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
Psa 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Psa 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

Lev 18:4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.
Lev 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

There are those who would disagree with you.