God's Conditional Grace

[Adullam]

Grace is explained by Jesus in the parable of the talents. Christians will be judged on what they have done with the grace they have been given.

 

[Mitspa]

really i shouldnt have been warned by a prophetess that being gay and a christian was wrong? yet i knew before that it was fully?

really we shouldnt warn each other that sin cant if unchecked be allowed in heaven? we should just pick our favorites doctrines and well believe no matter what and never challenge them to see if they hold.

pentacostals. know all about it been raised in that for most of my walk.my church is one. hmm and my pastor doesnt teach wof like you would.

perhaps its time i delete my account. i was going to ask next month anyway.

My friend i am glad for you! You was delivered by "truth" and FAITH in Gods word!
Now i have no issue with anyone warning others of "sin" But the solution is ALWAYS FAITH and the" grace" to overcome. We are called to walk in the Spirit? The Spirit does not seek the fault in believers? It seeks to bring the believer into a higher place of fellowship with Christ! Who is our strength!

Rom 5:2

By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.


Rom 6:14


For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 5:17


For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

 

[BornAgain]

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So did I, and you avoided any comment on it. What is amis with my comment ? Then show us how to make it right !

You said:

You obviously give man credit for obedience to God, where I give it to Christ and The Holy Spirit !

There is the amis.

Unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ. —The preposition "unto" (eis) indicates the design and end of the plan provided for man's salvation—to bring him to obedience, without which no election is available.

 

[Mitspa]

really i shouldnt have been warned by a prophetess that being gay and a christian was wrong? yet i knew before that it was fully?

really we shouldnt warn each other that sin cant if unchecked be allowed in heaven? we should just pick our favorites doctrines and well believe no matter what and never challenge them to see if they hold.

pentacostals. know all about it been raised in that for most of my walk.my church is one. hmm and my pastor doesnt teach wof like you would.

perhaps its time i delete my account. i was going to ask next month anyway.

Think about it? How was you delivered? By a solid relationship with Christ? Rooted and grounded in His love for you, and your faith in Him? am i correct?
Then you also must see this is how we help sinners! not going around looking for twigs in the eyes of others!

i hope you do not leave this forum! and if i have offended you? please forgive me for His sake?

 

[Mitspa]

Grace is explained by Jesus in the parable of the talents. Christians will be judged on what they have done with the grace they have been given.

The revelation of "grace" was laid out clearly by the Apostle Paul!

Gal 1:11

But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

Gal 1:12


For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Eph 3:2

If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Eph 3:3

How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph 3:4

Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Eph 3:5

Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Eph 3:6

That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Eph 3:7

Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
Eph 3:8

Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

I have always liked E T Bass! but it "Does not matter"! The Cross of Jesus does not matter? i dont think you and i can relate too much with each other!2

Php 3:18



(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

Php 3:19





Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

1Co 1:18



For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.:biglol

What you posted did not matter for it avoided dealing with the question you were asked.

Again, was Naaman being legalistic when he obeyed and went and dipped as directed by God?

 

[Mitspa]

What you posted did not matter for it avoided dealing with the question you were asked.

Again, was Naaman being legalistic when he obeyed and went and dipped as directed by God?

i have answered your question "twice" :yes
please keep up!

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

False teaching. Nowhere is said Jesus made Salvation available to all men ! And Christ gives Repentance/ obedience to those He saves Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Heb 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."


Again, Acts 5:31 says Jesus GIVES repentance, so it a gift, an offer, something granted, an opportunity that has to be received. Jesus did not save all of Israel but gave them the gift, the opportunity, the availability for them all to repent and be saved. Acts 5:31 does not say what you're trying to make it say.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

i have answered your question "twice" :yes
please keep up!

Again, was Naaman being legalistic when he obeyed and went and dipped as directed by God?

You have not given a simple 'yes' or 'no' to this question yet.

 

[Eventide]

I'll gladly shout what I believe the truth is..

That he was NOT being legalistic in the slightest, but rather was moved and led by the Spirit of God's grace to simply DO what the LORD had told him to do..

Once again, I think E's OP basis here is right on the mark !

 

[Mitspa]

Again, was Naaman being legalistic when he obeyed and went and dipped as directed by God?

You have not given a simple 'yes' or 'no' to this question yet.

So what? did you read my "two" replys? and i dont need look to Naaman? to understand the doctrines of grace? We have a NEW TESTAMENT! We have the Spirit of Truth! would i call it legalism? no! no more than i would call being baptised legalism! I know you think you are being wise? but you may get your religious feelings hurt? If you think me to be without the wisdom of Christ? so please continue... if you have a point?

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

So what? did you read my "two" replys? and i dont need look to Naaman? to understand the doctrines of grace? We have a NEW TESTAMENT! We have the Spirit of Truth! would i call it legalism? no! no more than i would call being baptised legalism! I know you think you are being wise? but you may get your religious feelings hurt? If you think me to be without the wisdom of Christ? so please continue... if you have a point?

In reply #137 you posted "I think i will let the legalist, unsave people! That seems to be their favorite hobby."


So who's a legalist?

 

[Mitspa]

In reply #137 you posted "I think i will let the legalist, unsave people! That seems to be their favorite hobby."


So who's a legalist?

I would descibe a "legalist" as one who uses the word of God, as the "letter" that kills! Meaning- they attempt to seperate with the written word, believers, from to Love of God we have in Christ Jesus! Now this is "spiritual death"

 

[John 8:32]

I would descibe a "legalist" as one who uses the word of God, as the "letter" that kills! Meaning- they attempt to seperate with the written word, believers, from to Love of God we have in Christ Jesus! Now this is "spiritual death"

Explain how you would keep the law in the spirit while violating the letter? In other words, whilst committing adultery physically, can one be innocent in the spirit?

 

[Mitspa]

Explain how you would keep the law in the spirit while violating the letter? In other words, whilst committing adultery physically, can one be innocent in the spirit?

The "law" is "spiritual"! " The Law written on our hearts" All the Law is Fulfilled in One Word! Love! How can i who walks in the "spirit of His Love" take anothers mans wife? or even cheat on my own? Even take advantage of a young lady? Very simple this "walking in the Spirit" Does this answer your question? or would you like to restate it in another way?

 

[BornAgain]

Mark 12:30-31 (KJV)
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

 

[John 8:32]

The "law" is "spiritual"! " The Law written on our hearts" All the Law is Fulfilled in One Word! Love! How can i who walks in the "spirit of His Love" take anothers mans wife? or even cheat on my own? Even take advantage of a young lady? Very simple this "walking in the Spirit" Does this answer your question? or would you like to restate it in another way?

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

I like Paul's simpler definition myself, simple but elegant.

 

[Mitspa]

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

I like Paul's simpler definition myself, simple but elegant.

Amen:yes

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

I would descibe a "legalist" as one who uses the word of God, as the "letter" that kills! Meaning- they attempt to seperate with the written word, believers, from to Love of God we have in Christ Jesus! Now this is "spiritual death"

Naaman kept what God said "to the letter" when he went and dipped 7 times in the Jordan River. Does that make Naaman a legalist?


Jn 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments".

Jn 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

The NT law is based on love, but love means keeping God's commandments.

 

[John 8:32]

Naaman kept what God said "to the letter" when he went and dipped 7 times in the Jordan River. Does that make Naaman a legalist?


Jn 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments".

Jn 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

The NT law is based on love, but love means keeping God's commandments.

I believe we are not only on the same page, but reading the same sentence...

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.