Bible Study God's Mystery

[Douglas Summers]

God has not been silent in the fact that His ways and His thoughts are not our ways and thoughts. He even says that they are past finding out. Hmm, lets see how close we can come to some terrific knowledge.

I have noticed lately, in the sphere of my influence, that people have more spiritual questions than ever before. Have you experienced that? I wonder why? There are those who, for what ever the reason, want more faith. Others are craving the fullness of the Holy Spirit. A man said, "I want more of the Holy Spirit", I could have said to him, "the Holy Spirit wants more of you!"

I have noticed in our Forum that there are folk who wonder about being sure of their Salvation. Hey Gang, lets have some fun with this thread and compile what we do know about this mystery that the Apostle Paul wrote about in Colossians 2:2 "being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ."

What exactly is this mystery, and is this why there are so many questions today? I am using Colossians Chapter 2 as my Text.

Hi Chopper, There is no mystery to those that are called according to His purpose. The mystery is to the idle and curious. For it has been given unto us to know the mystery of the Kingdom of the Heavens (Matt. 13: 10-17) For to the born again, we have the mind of Christ (Col. 1:27) We know what Christ is doing, at least I do, And I'm sure other Believers do also. But the curious and idle do not. (1 Cor. 2:14-16) That is what the adoption of son's means. To come from a child (under age) to an adult son ( this is a position of maturity) not relationship. For we are no more under tutors or teachers any more. We have grown into Spiritual maturity by His Spirit. This is true to all born again believers. But some are puffed up and think they have figured out things on there own (1 Cor. 4: 7) and inject in to Biblical teaching. The work of pride of self will intruding into the sphere of God's will. And teaching man's doctrine as if though it is approved by God.

 

[Chopper]

Well my friends, there is a mystery. I pretty sure that our Lord knew that most everyone loves a mystery and likes to solve them. At least He knew the old Chopper likes to shed light on a mystery. Lets look at what Colossians says about this mystery.

Colossians 2:2 " that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God's mystery, which is Christ, 2:3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge."

There you go! The mystery is God's only Son, Christ Jesus. From the creation of mankind in the Garden of Eden, God began this mystery. I ask you, as we begin to unravel some of the mystery, Why do you think that God, in the first place, wanted mankind? What do you think He was after.

 

[reba]

Rev_4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Well my friends, there is a mystery. I pretty sure that our Lord knew that most everyone loves a mystery and likes to solve them. At least He knew the old Chopper likes to shed light on a mystery. Lets look at what Colossians says about this mystery.

Colossians 2:2 " that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God's mystery, which is Christ, 2:3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge."

There you go! The mystery is God's only Son, Christ Jesus. From the creation of mankind in the Garden of Eden, God began this mystery. I ask you, as we begin to unravel some of the mystery, Why do you think that God, in the first place, wanted mankind? What do you think He was after.

God is The Creator , He creates, and He creates for His pleasure. The mystery is the mystery of Godliness. The complete opposite of mans nature. The whole of Scripture is the nature of man contrast to God's nature. Godliness is a mystery to the Adamic nature, not to the born again believer. For God has revealed those things unto us. God desires fellowship with His creation without interference This is a mystery to the natural man. The mystery has already been unraveled God created us for His pleasure and His purpose. You must be born again Chopper. The Spirit in me from rebirth has been one of joy and wonderment, trial and error, chastisement, Spiritual maturity and constant fellowship. The Spirit has never given me a liberty to have fun with the Scriptures, that is something new to me. The teaching and revelation from the Spirit of Christ has only given me a sound foundation of the truth revealed and a need to teach and pastor those truths to the congregation, unfortunately few believe (very few) in what the Spirit has taught, and follow after their own understanding, It has been that way from the beginning

 

[eddif]

Colossians 2:1
For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, andfor them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh
(Conflict helping them understand. Laodicea was the lukewarm church).
2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
(In heart / mind / spirit all doctrine and shadows that he cast ).
3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
(All those things are seen when the shadows are cast -- in hindsight--).
4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
(The enemy always tries to lead us away from the following verses).
5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
(They have believed).
6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
(Faith allowed belief, and reversion to works of the law will not be the correct road).
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
(Looking to the body / reality of Christ Jesus).
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
(Not mans wisdom - now we start doctrine).
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
(Fullness that shines forth)
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
(All power is in his control - he it is that shall baptise in Holy Spirit and fire).
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(Now we begin to see heart circumcision from God)
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with himthrough the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
(Now we see him as first fruit from grave -- eternal fruit)
13. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
(The gentile in grafting into Christ),
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
(No longer looking at the ox, but seeing the preacher I Corinthians 9:9).
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
(Defeated satan so spiritual gifts can manifest as gifts)
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Jesus becomes our eternal Sabbath as we enter his rest -- it is finished on the cross, and we drink his blood and eat his body using bread and wine as symbols)
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
(The first covenant had symbols, but the new Covent looks at the reality that cast the shadows).
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
(The mind of man exalted angels to be worshiped).


I think I will take a break.
Maybe some are still speaking to me. To me this is defining Christ Jesus in all aspects. Shadows once seen are replaced with reality.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Douglas Summers]

Colossians 2:1

13. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
(The gentile in grafting into Christ),
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
(N

Mississippi redneck
eddif

Hi eddif, The Gentile is not grafted into the Church. God called out His Church long before He called out Israel. Even before the creation of the world. In Romans chapter 11, both Jew and Gentile can be grafted in and both can be broken off

 

[smaller]

Well my friends, there is a mystery. I pretty sure that our Lord knew that most everyone loves a mystery and likes to solve them. At least He knew the old Chopper likes to shed light on a mystery. Lets look at what Colossians says about this mystery.

Colossians 2:2 " that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God's mystery, which is Christ, 2:3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge."

There you go! The mystery is God's only Son, Christ Jesus. From the creation of mankind in the Garden of Eden, God began this mystery. I ask you, as we begin to unravel some of the mystery, Why do you think that God, in the first place, wanted mankind? What do you think He was after.

I often consider just what in the world was/is God really up to in all these things. And of course many observations are available in this direction. This might be a little philosophical, but the Apostles definitely engaged in philosophical understandings when they defined God's Appearance in creation as a "Great Mystery." Why is that a Great Mystery? Largely because The Creator inserted Himself INTO creation.

The Object inserted Himself into the subjective. The Creator became a part of the creation. It's quite an interesting contemplation, that in itself. Even moreso when the Spirit of Christ is shared with us, in our own temple/mind/heart, which basically equates to Perfection being "planted" into imperfection. Paul delineates this "process" quite interestingly detailed in 1 Cor. 15.

Part of the basis of faith in Christ is understanding that God's Hands really are upon "all things" in creation, and in His Power, He is entirely able to make good of all things, in the finality, showing His Overwhelming Superiority. And, in the eternity, I suspect that this may have been going on for quite some time in what we might perceive as "endless past" carrying to "endless future." Though I doubt that the concept of "time" plays much of a role in this, as it is a limited sight. Time basicially forces us to see things linearly, tick by tick, like a "line." I don't think eternal matters are necessarily forced into such constraints.

God is in the process of making a family, with which to share His Own Self.

 

[eddif]

Hi eddif, The Gentile is not grafted into the Church. God called out His Church long before He called out Israel. Even before the creation of the world. In Romans chapter 11, both Jew and Gentile can be grafted in and both can be broken off

You sure have the correct Romans chapter.
Especially Romans 11:11-24

In creation hints Romans 1:19-20

A lot of the prophets told of Gentile inclusion
Isaiah 19:20-25

These are prophecy of things to come. At a point in time the prophecy became a reality.

Romans 11:17
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Kind of like:
Galatians 4:4
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Prophecy preceded Jesus birth, but in time it happened.

eddif

 

[Douglas Summers]

You sure have the correct Romans chapter.
Especially Romans 11:11-24

In creation hints Romans 1:19-20

A lot of the prophets told of Gentile inclusion
Isaiah 19:20-25

These are prophecy of things to come. At a point in time the prophecy became a reality.

Romans 11:17
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Kind of like:
Galatians 4:4
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Prophecy preceded Jesus birth, but in time it happened.

eddif

Hi eddif, Hear is a clearer understanding of Romans 11: 11-24 - (John 15: 1-17)

 

[Chopper]

God is The Creator , He creates, and He creates for His pleasure. The mystery is the mystery of Godliness. The complete opposite of mans nature. The whole of Scripture is the nature of man contrast to God's nature. Godliness is a mystery to the Adamic nature, not to the born again believer. For God has revealed those things unto us. God desires fellowship with His creation without interference This is a mystery to the natural man. The mystery has already been unraveled God created us for His pleasure and His purpose. You must be born again Chopper. The Spirit in me from rebirth has been one of joy and wonderment, trial and error, chastisement, Spiritual maturity and constant fellowship. The Spirit has never given me a liberty to have fun with the Scriptures, that is something new to me. The teaching and revelation from the Spirit of Christ has only given me a sound foundation of the truth revealed and a need to teach and pastor those truths to the congregation, unfortunately few believe (very few) in what the Spirit has taught, and follow after their own understanding, It has been that way from the beginning

Very, very good Douglas. Godliness truly is a mystery to man. I believe that this thread, as we wind around different aspects of this mystery, will identify various themes that we see lived out in the life of Christ Jesus.

 

[ezra]

Colossians 1:27King James Version (KJV)
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this """mystery """" among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

 

[Douglas Summers]

Very, very good Douglas. Godliness truly is a mystery to man. I believe that this thread, as we wind around different aspects of this mystery, will identify various themes that we see lived out in the life of Christ Jesus.

Amen,

 

[eddif]

Colossians 1:27King James Version (KJV)
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this """mystery """" among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Absolutely. But. OP and Admin want is to stay ion chapter 2.

Is the mystery the gospel as it alludes to in the previous chapter in Colossians?

Maybe people are asking about it because when presented 1). it's too watered down 2). or it's not preached at all. It's my experience anyway, for the most part, people's views and dissatisfaction regarding Christianity are over the behavior of people who call themselves such, not the message itself.

Absolutely. But. OP and Admin want us to stay in chapter 2.

Evidently we have to try to stay in chapter 2. Which causes us to summarize chapter 2 in regards to more of (Father / Son / Holy Spirit ?).

After we summarize we can then reach out to other scriptures (?).
This is going to be interesting.

eddif

 

[Chopper]

Colossians 2:1
For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, andfor them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh
(Conflict helping them understand. Laodicea was the lukewarm church).
2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
(In heart / mind / spirit all doctrine and shadows that he cast ).
3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
(All those things are seen when the shadows are cast -- in hindsight--).
4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
(The enemy always tries to lead us away from the following verses).
5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
(They have believed).
6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
(Faith allowed belief, and reversion to works of the law will not be the correct road).
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
(Looking to the body / reality of Christ Jesus).
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
(Not mans wisdom - now we start doctrine).
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
(Fullness that shines forth)
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
(All power is in his control - he it is that shall baptise in Holy Spirit and fire).
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(Now we begin to see heart circumcision from God)
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with himthrough the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
(Now we see him as first fruit from grave -- eternal fruit)
13. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
(The gentile in grafting into Christ),
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
(No longer looking at the ox, but seeing the preacher I Corinthians 9:9).
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
(Defeated satan so spiritual gifts can manifest as gifts)
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Jesus becomes our eternal Sabbath as we enter his rest -- it is finished on the cross, and we drink his blood and eat his body using bread and wine as symbols)
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
(The first covenant had symbols, but the new Covent looks at the reality that cast the shadows).
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
(The mind of man exalted angels to be worshiped).


I think I will take a break.
Maybe some are still speaking to me. To me this is defining Christ Jesus in all aspects. Shadows once seen are replaced with reality.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

As usual eddif, you have presented a very accurate assessment of the treasures that are locked up in the knowledge of Christ Jesus. This thread is meant to bring out Truth, just as you have done. By the impression that I have received from, IMO, the Holy Spirit, we are to cast the eyes of our wisdom on events from Adam & Eve to the New Heavens and Earth. There in lies a mystery of God, and everything has meaning and understanding in the activities of our Savior Jesus Christ.

Jesus is the visible representation of the mystery of God. It certainly is a mystery to me why God put up with the constant rebellion and stiff-necked behavior of Israel. The why's of remaining faithful to God's promise to Abraham is certainly a mystery that needs some explaining, it seems to me. We call it Grace, there is a mystery as to why God puts up with our own rebellion, IMO.

There is so much information concerning why God does what He does, and it's all locked up in the life of Christ Jesus as He lived the representative actions of Almighty God before mankind 2,000 years ago and now we see thru the Scriptures. I believe that God wants us to examine the life of Jesus anew so that we can examine the importance of holy living, being a living sacrifice to the will of God. More on this later.

 

[Chopper]

Colossians 1:27King James Version (KJV)
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this """mystery """" among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Absolutely Ezra. You have just Helped us get a little closer into this mystery. It's about the reason that God turned to the Gentiles. It's more than He is not willing that any perish, in my mind, but a decision in His will to fulfill a desire in His Heart. I hope this will make more sense as we move along.

I believe that this thread will bring to our focus a renewed interest in the "riches of the glory" of God. Riches? Yes, riches.

 

[ezra]

the riches of his glory the Word Glory is a huge word { That he would grant you, according to the "riches of his glory," to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; paul wrote we are changed from glory to glory one step at a time imo this is my translation PAUL IS SAYING BE ALL YOU CAN BE. through him .Mystery something hidden .its no longer hidden from us as per the plan of salvation. the riches of his Glory is wide open to be explored . i doubt we will ever fully understand the riches of his Glory riches the spiritual wealth . Ephesians 3: 14-21
Appreciation of the Mystery
14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— 19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, 21 to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen. paul prayed for our strength rooted and grounded and filled with all fullness of God -Riches to be discovered

 

[eddif]

IMHO. KJV

Colossians 1:19
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
(The Father was well pleased in his Son)
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
(Bore sins in his body)
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
(What he accomplished).
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
(If we do not revert to our former condition).
24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
(Suffering servant concept).
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
(You will be hated for my sake)
26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
(A lot of concepts finally revealed)
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
(Jews changed in heart and mind present the gospel to Gentiles-- Peter).
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
(We do not preach ourselves).
29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
(He does work in us).

Redneck
eddif

 

[Chopper]

I like the way our thread is going. I want personally thank you all for helping me to bring to light something that is burning in my spirit which concerns our Lord Jesus Christ and our blessed Heavenly Father. Lets look at what is my main concern.

Colossians 2:2 " that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God's mystery, which is Christ. 2:3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge."

To watch Jesus as He functioned with His Father is our example of how we are to function with each other, with some changes of course. The unity is what I'm after. The Scripture says, "knit together in love." CF.net is a practice ground for all of us who are members. Each and every post to each other should manifest this love for each other. If an unbeliever should glance over some of our threads, they should see this "knit together in love." How else will the Holy Spirit prick their heart to not only want this Salvation that changed us but join this awesome Forum.

There is a mystery involved in being knit together in love. This involves our Standard Jesus Christ in how He loved His Father and how His Father loved Him. IMO, God is calling us to imitate this treasure that the godhead demonstrated for our understanding and practice with each other in this Forum and to take this to our local Churches.

I will continue to share this fire that burns in my spirit. Peace to you all.

 

[ezrider]

To watch Jesus as He functioned with His Father is our example of how we are to function with each other, with some changes of course. The unity is what I'm after. The Scripture says, "knit together in love."

Psalm 133:1-3
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
for brethren to dwell together in unity!
It is like the precious ointment upon the head,
that ran down upon the beard,
even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;
As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion:
for there the Lord commanded the blessing,
even life for evermore.


Matthew 5:1-12
And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness 'sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

 

[Chopper]

Psalm 133:1-3
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
for brethren to dwell together in unity!
It is like the precious ointment upon the head,
that ran down upon the beard,
even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;
As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion:
for there the Lord commanded the blessing,
even life for evermore.


Matthew 5:1-12
And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness 'sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Thanks old friend. Especially for "Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
for brethren to dwell together in unity!" What must we do ezrider to see this happen even in our lifetime? Talk about a mystery, even in this Forum Brothers and Sisters quarrel about doctrine when the same Holy Sprit is supposed to indwell us all. There is something definitely wrong here and my heart grieves that the Scripture that is the banner of this thread looks like an impossibility.

What do you suppose that we can do ezrider? In my heart I hear our blessed Lord wanting change and all I can do is make these notes and pray for change.